to be fair, i've never met a competent self-taught programmer. not saying they don't exist, but there's something to be said for formal training.
... er. Yes, never mind that she was a genius, she didn't have a degree I could fish out of the trash in a couple years.
I made a stupid comment, sorry guys.
Glad she was fired.
She is a self taught electrical engineer and didn't go to school for it.
I made a stupid comment, sorry guys.
I know it's hard, hell I have trouble with it sometimes, but before you post how about you ask yourself, "Is this a constructive post? Am I adding something to this conversation? Am I a total dick?"
If you're answering 'Yes' to the last question without answering 'Yes' to the previous two you should strongly consider not posting. It will yield benefits in the long run.
Man, you have to go to school in order to justify your job?!?! Guess I'm on the wrong track here with my senior Database Administrator position and no college to speak of...
Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were college dropouts.
Man, you have to go to school in order to justify your job?!?! Guess I'm on the wrong track here with my senior Database Administrator position and no college to speak of...
Jesus Christ, this sounds like an argument from some bad guy in Karate Kid or Good Will Hunting or shit like that.I don't have anything against her personally.
Just disappointed that people who pay thousands of dollars for school don't get selected for jobs over those who don't.
I'm not sure she actually needs to "recover".Hopefully she can recover with a job that better suits her talents.
times have changed a lot since the 1980s
*cough*...
Jesus Christ, this sounds like an argument from some bad guy in Karate Kid or Good Will Hunting or shit like that.
Amazing.
Then I hope she can find something to do with all her new found free time.I'm not sure she actually needs to "recover".
According to her version of the story she was doing just fine by herself when Valve proposed the job, and she was even a bit wary/uninterested at first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zsaRyRmAr0
I'm sorry, but this is a really stupid example. Both of their success has much more to do with right place and right time. Why do you think there is barely a single example of this sort of thing in the last decade.Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were college dropouts.
What losers.
It was a stupid thing of me to write.
It's late at night and I wasn't thinking clearly, sorry.
And worked at NewTek (Amiga), RealtimeAssociates, and Xilient (embedded h.264 hardware).She was actually some sort of Youtube celebrity even before being hired from Valve.
1st post-quality material if I've ever read it. Where were you, man?What do you have to do to get fired from Valve, threaten to make Half-Life 3 or something?
I made a stupid comment, sorry guys.
Mark Zuckerberg?I'm sorry, but this is a really stupid example. Both of their success has much more to do with right place and right time. Why do you think there is barely a single example of this sort of thing in the last decade.
I'm sorry, but this is a really stupid example. Both of their success has much more to do with right place and right time. Why do you think there is barely a single example of this sort of thing in the last decade.
I feel pain , and I'm not the one being fired.
I can't imagine how bad it must feel to get fired from Valve...
Like... being dumped by a nobel prize winning supermodel, or by a king.
Losing what I imagine is a dream job that everyone else in the industry would probably die to be offered.
I'm sorry, but this is a really stupid example. Both of their success has much more to do with right place and right time.
Going to school means jack all about your skillset. Can be applicable for some job fields but not computers. The material they teach in school is always outdated anyway, you pretty much have to independently study in order to get ahead.
Yeah, the C64 guitar is cool too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LM2bom8fsw).In memoriam: My First Crowbar
Mark Zuckerberg
EDIT: Beaten.
She was actually some sort of Youtube celebrity even before being hired from Valve.
Mark Zuckerberg?
Didn't Gabe himself drop out of Harvard?
She seems pretty driven. I'm sure she'll land softly. Bummer that it didn't work out with Valve. Could be cultural and have little to do with her talent.
I don't know dude, pretty sure you have to write your own tail-recursive b-tree quicksort to get ahead these days. If that shit aint efficient how we gonna run facebook on the school's computers at the hourly rate they charge?
... er. Yes, never mind that she was a genius, she didn't have a degree I could fish out of the trash in a couple years.
Here we go...It doesn't really help to say harmful things back. It takes a lot of effort to get an electrical engineering degree. Much more involving than the vast majority of university degrees.
It doesn't really help to say harmful things back. It takes a lot of effort to get an electrical engineering degree. Much more involving than the vast majority of university degrees.
yeah, there are some pretty core fundamentals that you kind of need to be able to understand. whether or not you end up implementing your own version is another story, but grasping those key concepts is pretty important. this thread seems to have derailed a bit, but the takeaway shouldn't be "college degrees, lol"
Well, the US should strongly consider restricting the title of 'engineer' to licensed professionals.And what is wrong with that?
The same could be said of any specialized degree that involves long lab classes and skill training as well as learning theory and research. "Vast majority" is overshooting it.
I have nothing to contribute on the main topic but I would say that, if nothing else, getting into a top school shows some work/intelligence and the will to compete.
As does acquiring the needed knowledge without it. College only shows you're willing to pay heaps amount of money for it.
Not really. You can't just decide to go to a good school, you have to be admitted first.