Probably not. A platform holder has reason to make games that widen their system's library but that themselves may not be enormous sellers. Publishers have no such motivation. Naughty Dog has an enormous budget not really commensurate with the sales of their titles, because they showcase the system, for instance.
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Sony Computer Entertainment 2011 Fiscal Report : Deficit Over 94.7 Billion Yen
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Probably not. A platform holder has reason to make games that widen their system's library but that themselves may not be enormous sellers. Publishers have no such motivation. Naughty Dog has an enormous budget not really commensurate with the sales of their titles, because they showcase the system, for instance.
UberTag
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Every company seems to be different in this respect.
For instance, Microsoft is kicking off FY 2013 next week.
Their FY 2012 ends on June 30th (this Saturday).
lunchwithyuzo
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It's like PS1 and PS2 never existed.
BruiserBear
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lol
I don't think that's where their problems lie.
As I said earlier in this thread, the Japanese text states Sony Computer Entertainment.
Lord_Byron28
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If other sources posted in this thread are correct, sony overall experienced a 5.5 billion dollar(usd) loss
My PS2 still works to this day.
Why would you do that?
Member
Old PS2s and PS3s had problems, too. I know of only one person with a PS2 that didn't gain some hardware problem, and no people whose PS3 fat didn't get yellow lighted.
And mine doesn't. (It will read DVDs, but not CDs. It can't play PS1 games, or worse, SSX, Gradius V, and Frequency.
)KillerTravis
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And hard to make games for it.
Yes, every company pick their own fiscal year definition. Sometimes it can be a headache when 2 companies with different fiscal year definition merge. A lot of work to reconfigure their ERP systems.
I suspect it is partly for accounting purposes. It is not uncommon for corporates to shift stuff around to minimize tax (or ask for more government funding). In one of the startups I know, they would always shift all the losses to US so they don't have to pay US government tax $$$.
Kenshin001
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Google YLoD. I think you'll be surprised.
Angelus Errare
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I plan to buy SCE and all first party.
Let's not pretend its been anything like the shit MS tried to pull this gen.
My NES works to this day. This is a moot point. Sony only made bank-breaking cutting-edge hardware during this generation, even though the "weaker-console system" proved to be extremely profitable for them.
iamshadowlark
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There definetly has to be other costs in this. The only product they lose money on is Vita and they certainly haven't shipped enough for this deficit. Especially since the Vita is supposed to be close to profit from day one.
I'd bet PS4
I'd bet PS4
lunchwithyuzo
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My launch model stopped reading CDs just over a year in. My OG PSX had be stuck sideways to read discs. Before 360, Sony pretty easily put out the hardware with the worst reliability and build quality.
Meanwhile my launch Saturn still works. It's like a fucking tank.
encephalon
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Death Dealer
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A $400 console could be a 10x jump. By the time it arrives, it will have been 7 years since the last console launch.
A 10x jump, 7 years later, isn't impressive or cost prohibitive.
OldJadedGamer
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I think it would be too costly to sell at once, I think they would break up each studio and some would go independent again IMO.
PS2 wasn't weak. It was first. Same for PSX.
Sony releases good hardware. It would be a shame to see them go more than any other hardware maker.
It doesn't have to be one item. The Qriocity debacle was pretty huge. The improved SEN should cost Sony something, plus Vita, studios, etc.
It also depends on how Kaz structured SCE's P&L (e.g., What exactly did he do to SCE when he renamed SCE to SNEP, shift the assets and then renamed SNEP back to SCE again on April 1st 2011).
iamshadowlark
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Maybe but I would rather wait for the English report before jumping to conclusions
AgentChris
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This is bullshit. I remember Sony putting their mobile and computer electronics into a new division with SCE in 2010...
I'm not saying they did something wrong. It's just that we need more context to understand the numbers. ^_^
Kenshin001
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The Japanese government National Printing Bureau are liars!
iamshadowlark
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Yea that's what I meant.
lunchwithyuzo
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Neither was first to market their respective generations. Sega beat them out both times.
Dreamcast barely counts, it's some weird abnormality that belongs to no generation.
Ah, you're right. I think the restructure was around April 2010 instead of April 2011. Around April 2011 would be the Qriocity attack. After that, thai flood, fire, tsunami aftermath, etc.
MyAbsolution
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Eh... maybe you were lucky? PS2s were a disaster for me.
I had 4 PS2s (I still use my 4th)
I'm on my third Xbox 360.
The difference? I paid for all 4 of the PS2s. Only paid for the first Xbox 360.
iamshadowlark
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Wasn't PS3 #1 despite the flood or something?
DC was hawtsauce.
lunchwithyuzo
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I dunno, it still shat on PS2 pretty hard that first year. My least favorite Sega system though.
That's sales. The company still has to deal with the losses due to disasters and hacks.
Schobeleth
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Oh jesus christ, here we go again. Why does it seem like the only company to get regular posts, editorials and so on about their losses this gen, is Sony? It's on a WEEKLY basis it seems. Other companies lose money, maybe not as much as Sony lately, but it seems like everyone just has it out for them. They've made mistakes (hence why I didn't get a PS3 at launch) but they've come a long way since then..
I'm just so very tired of all these doom and gloom articles about financials. I just like to talk about good GAMES, not bad sales, especially during a time when Sony's PS3 sales dipped and their P&R had to handle a shitstorm with the hacking fiasco. They constantly had hackers and hacker collectives threatening their security. Leading up to that, their sales were growing consistently so I dunno why everyone is turning a blind eye to that and are now running around yelling DOOOOOOOOOMED from the rooftops.
I'm just so very tired of all these doom and gloom articles about financials. I just like to talk about good GAMES, not bad sales, especially during a time when Sony's PS3 sales dipped and their P&R had to handle a shitstorm with the hacking fiasco. They constantly had hackers and hacker collectives threatening their security. Leading up to that, their sales were growing consistently so I dunno why everyone is turning a blind eye to that and are now running around yelling DOOOOOOOOOMED from the rooftops.
Lord_Byron28
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The amount of denial, confusion and misinformation in this thread so far is astounding.
iamshadowlark
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Hacks? Do you mean the lulsec stuff or??
Figures, of course you would only buy SCE to play the first party exclusives
iamshadowlark
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Well when your only source is in a language most can't read...
Chuck Norris
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Naughty Dog games sell 5 million per title, how is that not enough? Try think of a better example, bud
reelbigtink
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Nether the PS2 or PSX were "weak", but they were both weaker than the Nintendo/Microsoft platforms of their generations.
Would be a shame to see Sony go. I doubt it happens.
gundamkyoukai
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Not to mention there budgets are small compare to allot of AAA games.
Well if Sony goes i will miss there games that is for certain .
Sho_Nuff82
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There have been multiple articles in the past week about what Nintendo must fix to make a "comeback" with 3DS and WiiU.
Sony gets articles about its financials because the company isn't doing well. They are doing historically bad, even. Pretending like this has no impact on the entertainment division was a lofty goal, but now that's out the window. Kaz has a lot of work cut out for him. Something has to give at the company before it's too late.
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