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Sony Q2 FY 2011 Financial Results - 3.7M PS3s Ship, $350M Net Loss For Full Company
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I don't believe that was ever in dispute. The caveat is - so far. That 15m goal for PS3 this fiscal year seems pretty unlikely to me.Marius_ said:
But PS3 will likely add a similar to lead over the 360 in Europe and Japan (LOL), largely cancelling out the difference in strength between regions.VALIS said:
Yeah, but the 360 is doing insanely well in the US ever since the Kinect released. They've got great momentum, it has a chance of doing just as well over PS3 this year.Meisadragon said:
This is worldwide figures, not America figures... I don't understand your logic here.VALIS said:
If the 360 sells as many more units in the US than the PS3 as the PS3 does over the 360 in Europe and Japan, than the PS3 would still have a net lead due to selling more in other three quarters of the year, it doesn't have those gains magically wiped.
Phoenician_Viking
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I would assume most of PSP software is sold via PSN, since rarely any of them chart in the west.
VALIS said:
Last time I looked the NPD only covered the US;p
The US is the only territory where MS own the all the cards. The difference between PS3 and 360 sales in the Japanese and Asia territories makes your statement moot.
I own both consoles so have nothing to lose, but if I am honest MS has really disappointed me recently with exclusives and their apparent focus on Kinect.
AdventureRacing
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Good quarter for the PS3. Without a price cut the PS3 could overtake the 360 within the next year. I know it's a meaningless battle but it's still fun to watch.
I think MS won't cut the price this year but will cut the price next year leading up to the release of their next console. I think the interesting part will be if this spurs sales sorta like the PS2 or whether the 360 will die off quickly following this announcement.
I'm also interested to how long the PS3/360's legs are and how close they can go to the wii.
I think MS won't cut the price this year but will cut the price next year leading up to the release of their next console. I think the interesting part will be if this spurs sales sorta like the PS2 or whether the 360 will die off quickly following this announcement.
I'm also interested to how long the PS3/360's legs are and how close they can go to the wii.
As expected PS3 gained a lot of ground on the 360 this quarter (1.4m). PSP and PS2 did really good as well for the quarter.
During next quarter PS3 should gain considerable further ground again. I expect 6m for the 360 and 7+m for the PS3. So yeah gap almost closed by the end of the year.
On the contrary Sony's financials are in a pretty shitty situation atm.
Strong yen, natural disasters and so on are playing their big parts but it's clear that the main problem is their struggling TV business and the lack of hit products which has led to lower sales in the electronics business.
As far as I get they are restructuring their TV business significantly, basically they won't design or manufacture by themselves low-end models anymore and there are plans to outsource panels production for higher end models too. That is coupled with the recent Sony Ericsson acquisition which should give them more freedom. We'll see how they'll manage to get out of the storm.
During next quarter PS3 should gain considerable further ground again. I expect 6m for the 360 and 7+m for the PS3. So yeah gap almost closed by the end of the year.
On the contrary Sony's financials are in a pretty shitty situation atm.
Strong yen, natural disasters and so on are playing their big parts but it's clear that the main problem is their struggling TV business and the lack of hit products which has led to lower sales in the electronics business.
As far as I get they are restructuring their TV business significantly, basically they won't design or manufacture by themselves low-end models anymore and there are plans to outsource panels production for higher end models too. That is coupled with the recent Sony Ericsson acquisition which should give them more freedom. We'll see how they'll manage to get out of the storm.
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
Takao said:
Actually, for MS is 3rd is the charm.
Windows 3 was the first Windows that kinda worked well. MS usually "don´t get it" untlil some later versions, Xbox was actually the first v1.0 that worked from the beginning..
However, this is not an MS xbox thread..
bigtroyjon
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Last quarter revenuein billions)(yoy)
Xbox360 platform-$1.743(+7%)
Playstation family-$2.054(-7.7%)
Hardware shipments make for fun charts but at the end of the day they don't count for much this far into the gen. Sony shipped 1.4 more million consoles but still likely ended up producing less revenue. (PS2 and PSP shipped enough hardware and software to make up the difference in the above numbers)
Hopefully Vita can stop the declines in gaming revenue for Sony.
in billions)(yoy)Xbox360 platform-$1.743(+7%)
Playstation family-$2.054(-7.7%)
Hardware shipments make for fun charts but at the end of the day they don't count for much this far into the gen. Sony shipped 1.4 more million consoles but still likely ended up producing less revenue. (PS2 and PSP shipped enough hardware and software to make up the difference in the above numbers)
Hopefully Vita can stop the declines in gaming revenue for Sony.
Rated-Rsuperstar
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The real winner is ps3 software.
That's suprising.bigtroyjon said:Last quarter revenue
Xbox360 platform-$1.743(+7%)
Playstation family-$2.054(-7.7%)
Hardware shipments make for fun charts but at the end of the day they don't count for much this far into the gen. Sony shipped 1.4 more million consoles but still likely ended up producing less revenue. (PS2 and PSP shipped enough hardware and software to make up the difference in the above numbers)
Hopefully Vita can stop the declines in gaming revenue for Sony.
Neither comparison with past consoles nor Microsoft's history are a meaningful precedent for the performance of their next console.Maximilian E. said:Actually, for MS is 3rd is the charm.
Windows 3 was the first Windows that kinda worked well. MS usually "don´t get it" untlil some later versions, Xbox was actually the first v1.0 that worked from the beginning..
However, this is not an MS xbox thread..
Combichristoffersen
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Loudninja said:
Hail to the king, baby. Best console ever.
spwolf said:
It's not just that, electronics sales have slowed down all around because they don't have hit products and the TV business is sinking, they're expecting to lose 175 billion yen for the whole year just from that division.
They also have a restructing plan for the TV business:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/info/presen/2011q2_tv.pdf
Basically they are going out of the race for market share, they want to sell 20m TVs each year and be profitable. To do that they will buy low end TVs from third parties (chinese manufacturers?), and will reduce costs associated with LCD panels on higher end models by 40% (rumors say that to do that they will outsource production of panels too and Sony/Samsung venture is coming to an end). They will also streamline the number of models offered (which is a good thing imo).
Well done to Sony, the PS3 is finally getting the traction is needs..
If we went back 5 years, we'd never have though that the 360 would have given it such a massive run for it's money, despite a 1 year lead, we all expected the PS2 juggernaut momentum to have an immediate affect on PS3 sales..
I think MS have started to rest on their laurels, and the PS3 gaining momentum might just be what gives them a timely reminder.. if Kinect doesn't have legs (and I don't think it does), they will have to look at the PS3 and wonder what they need to do to compete in the next iteration..
If we went back 5 years, we'd never have though that the 360 would have given it such a massive run for it's money, despite a 1 year lead, we all expected the PS2 juggernaut momentum to have an immediate affect on PS3 sales..
I think MS have started to rest on their laurels, and the PS3 gaining momentum might just be what gives them a timely reminder.. if Kinect doesn't have legs (and I don't think it does), they will have to look at the PS3 and wonder what they need to do to compete in the next iteration..
Opus Angelorum
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Snubbers said:
All Microsoft have to do is release one year early again.
ZombieSupaStar
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Snubbers said:
Yeah if you went back 5 years and said ps3 would hopefully/maybe overtake the Xbox 360 at the end of next gen in 2012 (this gen now) for 2nd place, and still be waaaay behind the 1st place Nintendo Wii, people would think you were insane. I honestly don't see Microsoft ever winning over Japan though, in any generation.
I wonder though, what is there for MS to look at to compete? They have their own strategy and so far has brought them revenue. If bigtroyjon post is correct, then you gotta wonder if even last year they sold more worldwide with the whole Playstation brand, but only made that amount of revenue. While 360 made that much revenue on its own.Snubbers said:
I wonder how shareholders will react on that matter.
bigtroyjon
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TheOddOne said:
Just to be clear, my post was about revenue, not profit and all my info is coming right out of the earnings releases. Numbers were similar last quarter.
Apr-June quarter revenue
in billions)(yoy)Xbox360 platform-$1.303(+29%)
Playstation family-$1.546(-11.9%)
bigtroyjon said:Just to be clear, my post was about revenue, not profit and all my info is coming right out of the earnings releases. Numbers were similar last quarter.
Apr-June quarter revenue
Xbox360 platform-$1.303(+29%)
Playstation family-$1.546(-11.9%)
How you reach to these numbers.?
Indeed, no matter what the final outcome, the 360 has been pretty big success and I'm sure Microsoft are proud of it.TheOddOne said:
Their strategy is more likely to be to continue to improve Live services and offerings, build on the success of the Kinect in bringing in casual gamers and families and further build the Xbox brand than trying to see what they can learn from Sony.
Yeah, AniHawk pointed that out.bigtroyjon said:Just to be clear, my post was about revenue, not profit and all my info is coming right out of the earnings releases. Numbers were similar last quarter.
Apr-June quarter revenue
Xbox360 platform-$1.303(+29%)
Playstation family-$1.546(-11.9%)
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bigtroyjon said:
So what you're telling us is that shipment figures are good enough for analysts, but they're not good enough for you?
bigtroyjon
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Have to look through the quarterly earnings releases on the investor relations sites for each company.noobie said:
Sony Investor Relations
Microsoft Investor Relations
Since I did the last six months figured I would do the rest of 2011
Jan-March quarter revenue
in billions)(yoy)Xbox360 platform-$1.744(+69%)
Playstation family-$1.951(-9.1%)
Which analysts prefer hardware shipment figures over revenue?Para bailar La Bomba said:
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bigtroyjon said:
What you were implying is that shipment figures are not probative. I'll repeat your statement for your pleasure and convenience: "[Shipment figures] don't count for much this far into the gen"
So let's not mince words, aye?
Dedication Through Light
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Hah, no wonder EA keeps releasing those PS2 games, interesting that people are still getting it, I wont lie Ive been tempted at times to buy a PS2 as well for a few games.