This is a hilarious criticism given that a substantial portion of your list is basically add-ons, for example whats the substantive difference between say Burning Crusade and HL2:Ep1?
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Steam axes submission process, ALL new pubs/devs must go through Steam Greenlight.
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This is a hilarious criticism given that a substantial portion of your list is basically add-ons, for example whats the substantive difference between say Burning Crusade and HL2:Ep1?
Ive been gaming on PC since I was 6 years old, and the market has never been as good as it is now thanks to Steam
saying that Steam "saved" the PC market making every single developer want to jump on it and develop on PC when retail was completely dead is basically a fact. I dont get your point
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Idk Salsa, back when I was a kid devs released a third of their game as a demo and it was dope.
well sure, but I mean from a pure market standpoint. Steam changed the game on sales.
To be fair the PC certainly thrived at a certain point, but I really dont think it reached this level
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Well this Valve thread went about as well as expected.
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Steam has yet to match the feeling of passing a floppy to a bro.
That was real indie gaming.
Now you have the internet and a million tools to pimp your games. It's like cheats.
That was real indie gaming.
Now you have the internet and a million tools to pimp your games. It's like cheats.
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back when I was a teenager and in my early twenties it was the consoles that were the after thought when it came to ports, and numerous PC games pushed my graphics card to their maximum squeezing every brand new capability out of them that they could.
this gen has been a lot better than the late PS2 gen, yes, but I don't think it's a new golden age just yet.
I'd welcome a shareware renaissance.
cheats are what needs to come back
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I wouldn't have a problem with this if greenlight wasn't such a clusterfuck. They need to iron out the kinks in greenlight before doing this imo. Am I voting on complete games or am I voting on a promise of future awesomeness that may never happen? Also way too much stuff on there. They need some level of moderation to get on greenlight.
Basically... Whine, they aren't making what I want.
I'd say the improvement to Steam, the facilitation of the network, tools, and effort they put into it. Not just for their own games, but also other developers that benefit from it. Have helped you far more than any game they've released in years.
Interfectum
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You should be embarrassed by this post. People like you and szaromir make Valve threads unbearable with your uninformed trolling.
Is Valve perfect? No but it's hard to have an actual discussion with ignorant posters such as yourself throwing your constant bullshit in here.
This is such a dumb post. PC gaming would not exist without Steam.
Yeah it would. Things might not be as convenient, but Steam is only a part of the market.
Speaking of dumb posts...
Interfectum
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No... Battle.net, Minecraft, GOG, etc, etc, etc
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/05/could-pc-gaming-make-a-comeback/
PC gaming is still in a rut and the only PC-only game to crack #1 in over two years was a non-Steam game.
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Aye, were it not for Steam I wouldn't have been too surprised if it died out in North America entirely. As it is, the PC is in ascendancy again, and probably have gotten too big to ignore like nearly every development studio based in the US did around the start of this console generation.
Well, you could be 10 years old or younger.
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If not for the level of comfort with the notion of digital distribution that Steam cultivated effectively on its own, can anyone honestly say that Minecraft, GOG, etc. would have been remotely possible?
Using NPD as a determinant for PC gaming is a fool's errand because guess what NPD does not take into account?
Steam.
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Boom.
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Or indeed any of the digital distribution services. They're going to either change that or abandon releasing public video games charts within the next five years. Come to think of that, ditto music and films.
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DD would exist even without Steam. The market would be more fragmented, but it would still exist.
SteveWinwood
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Never buying your game now you nazi sympathizer.
Battle.net = Blizzard title only.
Minecraft = one game
GOG = old games.
That's hardly a healthy market.
Bjoern the Smexy
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No, Valve. Greenlight for established developers is stupid.
It's good for indie developers because unknown games will get the spotlight they deserve.
Big publishers have the finances to sell their games, even when their games aren't on Steam.
Indie devs don't.
It's good for indie developers because unknown games will get the spotlight they deserve.
Big publishers have the finances to sell their games, even when their games aren't on Steam.
Indie devs don't.
It would be undead in the US, but retail is still healthy in Europe. Fuck, my local game store even has used PC games!
Other digital stores existed around the same time that Steam started selling third party titles. Direct2Drive for instance. Steam was by far the best of these stores, and therefore gained traction, but I imagine that someone else would have filled that niche if Valve didn't enter the digital distribution market. We can argue whether Digital Distribution would have caught on as quickly as it among core gamers (casual gamers were already playing and buying games online) without Steam, but all the signs were pointing towards digital distribution in the mid 2000s, so it is ridiculous to suggest that Minecraft, GOG, etc would be impossible without Steam. Hell, if Blizzard had properly leveraged their Online infrastructure set up for WoW (and later Battle.net) to sell third party games as well in the mid-2000s, they could have been Steam. No idea why they let that boat sail.
This is exactly what this thread is about. You figured it all out, congrats.
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Angry Birds Star Wars has 99% of the marketshare on that store anyways.
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This is exactly why our game doesn't have it's own Leaderboard support. Because had it been picked up for Steam we would have wasted two extra months of Dev and around $7000 developing throw away code instead of a couple weeks an integrating Steamworks.
yes yes keep going
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right. which leads me to this proposition:
Valve would rather a game didn't exist on PC if it's not on Steam.
Is that statement true? I'm not particularly confident in the likelihood of it being true being particularly high, but I do not feel confident enough to say it definitely isn't true. Valve aren't a monopoly, but they sure act like they want to be one.
which, again, is why it's good that anything scares them, because a scared Valve is probably going to make something better and more consumer friendly. what's better for Valve if they feel Windows 8 is evil?
driving quality games to the Windows 8 store, or releasing those games on Steam even if they personally don't find them 'a good fit for the service'?
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Steam has added 12 indie games since November 1st (I'm not counting Postal 2). That is a rate of almost 1 per day.
What would be a suitable rate? There is a finite amount of spotlight here.
What would be a suitable rate? There is a finite amount of spotlight here.
Considering that Valve encourages developers in the Greenlight FAQ to get their games on as many digital distribution platforms as possible, make of that what you will.
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I don't really care about the rate. I care about the quality titles they have previously denied entry through the old submission method and which haven't been able to clear Greenlight yet. When finished games we know are good for a fact (due to positive receptions on other platforms) aren't being held off the service, then I'm happy.
but sure, release Postal 2. give big publishers free reign to release whatever crap they want (like 007 Legends which is an awful game with an even more awful PC port). no problems here. nothing to see.
Steamworks discourages developers from doing this though, as previously mentioned. I don't think an answer in an FAQ counteracts thousands of dollars and man hours.
I think the rate in which they are releasing indie and small publisher titles is good, as long as we are getting a variety of genres. Some people would like to see Steam completely open up, but then we will hear Indie Devs bitching about negligible sales on anything that is not featured on the front page (as is the case with iOS games).
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Unless I'm totally misconstruing your argument here, are you arguing that the service Valve's provide is too good? That they should scale down some of the massive advantages a game gets from being integrated with Steamworks?
26 games have passed the Greenlight voting process, 5 have been released since August 30, 2012.