Yeah, I was really excited when this was first announced, but that was before I knew Nexus Mod Manager existed. I think NMM is still in beta and there's probably some random issues with it (personally have yet to experience any though), but it's seems to be exactly what I wanted out of Steam workshop. Plus it's already out.
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Steam to introduce 1-step mod installation/uninstallation with Skyrim
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Yeah, I was really excited when this was first announced, but that was before I knew Nexus Mod Manager existed. I think NMM is still in beta and there's probably some random issues with it (personally have yet to experience any though), but it's seems to be exactly what I wanted out of Steam workshop. Plus it's already out.
Yep. This is fantastic. It allows a good centralized system of review and description, as well as making it very easy to turn on/off. Plus it exposes it many many more players, so it can get developers to incorporate feedback/desires of players by monitoring mod usage among the population at large, not just a niche market of mod seekers.
DanDeschain
Member
Pretty neat.
jediyoshi
Member
This specific integration of Steam workshop or modding itself? I don't forsee any other PC publisher/developer caring enough to go either way enough to ever bother touching it in that way.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
careful you're creeping into Roberta Williams quote territory here....
Quadrangulum
Banned
Excellent. Hopefully Paradox Interactive hops on board.
paperboywriter
Member
Fuck nick.
If you go to the Nexus sites and look at the most popular mods, the top ones are mostly nude/adult-content. I don't see Valve putting up an adult section.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
yeah I doubt that would be good PR to make cazador rape mods a 1 click ez install for little jimmys.
jim-jam bongs
Member
This was the next big frontier for Valve to simplify, to me at least. I've been waiting for something like this ever since I became a PC gamer because it can be a gigantic pain in the ass getting mods to work on some games, especially for someone like me with limited computer knowledge.
I was able to get Fallout 3 and New Vegas modded well but that was after the games had been out for a year and most mod organizers were perfected already. I haven't been able to muster the will to go through all of the Skyrim BS since most mods are still being constantly updated and the organizers still kind of blow.
I was able to get Fallout 3 and New Vegas modded well but that was after the games had been out for a year and most mod organizers were perfected already. I haven't been able to muster the will to go through all of the Skyrim BS since most mods are still being constantly updated and the organizers still kind of blow.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Steam wins.
SteveWinwood
Member
I wonder how much they will police it. Obviously no nude mods or whatever but how far will that end up going?
You mean putting them on steam? They did stop doing that but something else came along and did a better job, gotta find the link for it. I think it was/is Desura but I can't remember if that was the particular client I used last year when I was looking for HL2 mods.
legacyzero
Banned
OMG
Hey can we do this for the past titles too? It's a bitch to get this all working.
Hey can we do this for the past titles too? It's a bitch to get this all working.
Green Biker Dude
Banned
WILL THE OBLIVION PORN MODS BE COMPATIBLE
CAN I HIDE THEM FROM THE PEOPLE I KNOW IRL
THIS IS IMPORTANT
EDIT: POST NUMBER IS 69, IT BETTER FUCKING HAPPEN
CAN I HIDE THEM FROM THE PEOPLE I KNOW IRL
THIS IS IMPORTANT
EDIT: POST NUMBER IS 69, IT BETTER FUCKING HAPPEN
The Crimson Kid
what are you waiting for
I really hope Bethesda and Valve can make this work well enough. This has the potential to vastly increase the proliferation of mods and give a much larger audience for modders to make mods for.
I don't regret modding New Vegas, but it sure took a lot of time to get it working. It didn't help that it is AT LEAST a 6-7 step process per mod to install. And that's not taking into account the time it takes to register for an account, wait through ads before the download starts, reordering mods because something broke, and troubleshooting when things really break.
Bethesda is wise in seeing the value in a vibrant modding community and realizes that the largest hurdle to modding their games was just how difficult it is to do on your own.
I don't regret modding New Vegas, but it sure took a lot of time to get it working. It didn't help that it is AT LEAST a 6-7 step process per mod to install. And that's not taking into account the time it takes to register for an account, wait through ads before the download starts, reordering mods because something broke, and troubleshooting when things really break.
Bethesda is wise in seeing the value in a vibrant modding community and realizes that the largest hurdle to modding their games was just how difficult it is to do on your own.
The Outsider
Member
Good on Valve to provide this.
jim-jam bongs
Member
The amount of bullshit in this thread is astounding. Few things:
- It's impossible to overwrite game files with a mod as they're kept inside ESP packages, and the engine uses overrides rather than replacements (i.e. it performs an in-memory replacement, not an on-disk one)
- Mods never touch the Windows registry (what the fuck)
- 90% of mods from Nexus will install by being unzipped to the "Data" directory in the game folder, then activating them in the Mod Manager before launching the game (not AT LEAST a 6-7 step process)
- 90% of load order problems can be resolved using BOSS auto-sort, which is a one-click option in the Mod Manager
- All mods shown on Nexus sites by default are non-adult, you will only be shown adult content if you specifically request it
I'm glad that people are happy that this is going to make it easier, but you don't need to paint an inaccurate picture of the current state of modding to justify feeling that way. As I said when this was announced, it's a real insult to the community which has actually made the modding scene for Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, New Vegas and now Skyrim large and skilled enough for Bethesda and Valve to justify doing this at all.
- It's impossible to overwrite game files with a mod as they're kept inside ESP packages, and the engine uses overrides rather than replacements (i.e. it performs an in-memory replacement, not an on-disk one)
- Mods never touch the Windows registry (what the fuck)
- 90% of mods from Nexus will install by being unzipped to the "Data" directory in the game folder, then activating them in the Mod Manager before launching the game (not AT LEAST a 6-7 step process)
- 90% of load order problems can be resolved using BOSS auto-sort, which is a one-click option in the Mod Manager
- All mods shown on Nexus sites by default are non-adult, you will only be shown adult content if you specifically request it
I'm glad that people are happy that this is going to make it easier, but you don't need to paint an inaccurate picture of the current state of modding to justify feeling that way. As I said when this was announced, it's a real insult to the community which has actually made the modding scene for Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, New Vegas and now Skyrim large and skilled enough for Bethesda and Valve to justify doing this at all.
Take a look at the most downloaded rather than most endorsed.
Most Downloaded
1. Beware of Girl (nude pack)
2. Fallout Mod Manager
3. Nevada Skies
4. Animated Prostitution
5. Sexual Inuendo
3 of the top 5 downloads are adult content, and #2 isn't actually a mod, so it's really 3 of the top 4 mods.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
That's right, come to the PC side of things when it goes on sale next and bask in the great Skyrim mod community. Things are only going to get better from here.
And the Steam integration is flawless.
And the Steam integration is flawless.
Huh? I'm pretty sure the people that are saying "no more Nexus" for me and such are doing so because of the ease of this. Why would you get mad over people moving forward and embracing a more straight forward approach to modding?
jim-jam bongs
Member
I'm not getting mad over that at all, I'm annoyed that people say things like "installing mods right now is so hard, you have to wade through pages of porn mods and ads, and then you have to worry about overwriting game files and registry settings and stuff." It's simply not true, and the community around mods for Bethesda games has done exceptional work over the years so I feel that it's a disservice to them.
He's not doing that at all. He's "getting mad" about people making up inaccurate bullshit, and correcting it.
Personally I think this will work well for small mods, but most significant Skyrim content will likely use SKSE going forward, and that probably won't be possible by just using the Steam system.
I'm surprised it wasn't held back for one of their own games.
This. I understand the concerns about this. And they're valid. But I literally spent hours reading through those directions and tips getting it all set up. It was unreal. Felt I should have taken a test when I was done.
There are mods and then there's Oblivion. And I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing the content producers are going to be upset about this. Ease and visibility will make their products played by even more people. Unless I somehow missed something and Nexus pays those guys everytime one of their mods is downloaded.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
If you install mods in the wrong order, does it not break things?
jim-jam bongs
Member
There are some mods which conflict with one another, is that what you mean? The only thing this system will prevent in that respect is that it might give you a warning saying "these mods conflict with one another so you'll have to remove this one to use the new one".
As for breaking things, you can remove all the mods you have installed by opening up your game directory, going into the "Data" folder and deleting all the subfolders and packages which don't belong to the original game. Boom, clean install. If you've used the mod manager's package management features it's even easier, you literally click the package in the manager and select "delete" and it will clean up after itself totally.
Honestly this is why I'm not 100% happy with this system, as awesome as it sounds. It gives Bethesda some measure of control over what content modders can release.
jim-jam bongs
Member
There's that definitely, but the biggest problem I have with this is that this effectively lets Bethesda claim a lot more credit for the modding scene around their games than they deserve frankly. On the one hand, it's great that they've made it so that people who were scared of using mods before now have an accessible avenue for doing so, but on the other hand I'd hate to see history rewritten in a few years time to the point where this is seen as when modding for their games really kicked off considering the amazing work out there already.
SteveWinwood
Member
I mean thats not going to go away. If you still want everyone without shirts it just takes a few more clicks.
If that's the biggest problem we are facing, then this must be pretty awesome.
Most people are ignorant, and this applies to GAF as well. The amount of totally unfounded statements in this thread about mods is quite ridiculous. Who the hell made up the part about registry editing.
I think it's funny that mod creators spend entire years making mods and certain people cannot be bothered to download boss and have their load order sorted for them.
jim-jam bongs
Member
That's my biggest problem, sure. If you can't see any other problems with UGC being entirely in the hands of the game publisher who wants to make money off DLC, then I'm not sure I'd be able to explain it.
I guess I can't make the connection between what is happening with Skyrim right now and a publisher actually making things more restrictive. I'd see the worry if this were the only venue for modding in the next TES game, but that obviously isn't the case with Skyrim.
jim-jam bongs
Member
I'm guessing it will do a "best guess" based on the ESMs, which is exactly what the existing mod managers already do.
Tain said:
Well this is what I'm worried about. Obviously you'll still be able to use Nexus for now, but it worries me that if this takes off they'll use it as an excuse to block off other avenues for modding which exist today. From an intellectual property perspective it also makes a lot of sense for them to force everyone through the same avenue for modding because they can assert ownership over everything created through that channel, something they actually can't do right now with mods hosted elsewhere.
Blizzard's always been pretty stupid about modding, though. I don't really have the same fears when it comes to Bethesda.
Basileus777
Member
It's a nice thing for many types of mods, but for anything that uses a script extender or such you will probably still have to head to the Nexus anyway.