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Supreme Court Will Hear Case on Mandatory Fees to Unions
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Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Fuck.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
Its very difficult to overturn supreme court precendent. This is going to wreck mostly democratic voters (public sector unions)
Could this hit Police unions as well?
BlackDoomShadow
Member
They'll just blame lazy black people and Mexicans for stealing their jobs. The intellectual rot at the core of America goes deep.
entremet
Member
Yes.
We've been saying that since forever and they keep eroding our rights. Once this is gone, Unions are done and they are never coming back.
We'll be national right to work by 2030. Book it.
This is what all those Union members who voted for Trump because their racism and sexism were more important than their rights as workers have sewed. The irony of a bunch of Union households in the Midwest putting the last nail in their own coffin will probably be lost on them.
Ryzaki009
Member
The one silver lining in this BS.
smokeandmirrors
Banned
welp this country is even more fucked.
needs to be torn down and rebuilt.
needs to be torn down and rebuilt.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Ah crap.
They are just eroding worker rights bit by bit while trying to constantly humanize corporations as "people" in the process.
They are just eroding worker rights bit by bit while trying to constantly humanize corporations as "people" in the process.
I can easily see the justices that will vote for this writing in an exception for "emergency service" unions.
The Scott Walker rule.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Yup. Almost can't wait to see my father's face when this hits. He's a hardcore conservative republican trumpeter, and once again his hatred and ignorance will lead to even more difficulties for himself and my immediate family. How many times can one shoot themselves in the foot before they lose too much blood?
NeOak
Member
This. They voted against their own interests. Let them reap what they sow.
Battle Litany
Banned
The effect of RTW laws on the unionization rate is a decrease of about 2.1%. which yes, is a loss of strength and bargaining power (and loss in worker wages as a result) but not some crippling death blow.
There are public sector unions everywhere there are public sector workers, which includes states that have had RTW legislation on the books for years.
kiunchbb
www.dictionary.com
In California, police unions are very strong and united. For state workers, you can opt out of paying the full Union fee (~40% reduction). The union rep told us that over 90% of state police paid the full amount, in my office, less than half are paying the full amount.
Widdle Puppy
Banned
Fucking criminal what corporate America did to unions. They can burn in fucking hell.
Angelus Errare
Banned
As if that isn't already the situation here and has been since the 80s?
They are now unstitching the fabric of middle class that they themselves helped weave.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
Nothing is worth the loss of unions but man oh man, is it going to be great when all the cops who touted Blue Lives Matter and voted Trump get hit with this realization.
The same thing has happened in Canada- their unionization rate is driven almost entirely by public sector unionization. This isn't just about regulations, it's about local communities losing leverage in an era of globalization, something that no legislator could prevent.
Moral Panic
Member
Can't unions provide other benefits like legal help etc to encourage people to pay dues?
You can't really lose something that you never had so this is more the unions trying to GAIN a source of revenue. As such, this could only be a boon to organized labor. The status quo would be to be not required to pay.
Edit: Ah whoops didn't realize that public sector was exempted
Edit: Ah whoops didn't realize that public sector was exempted
maximum360
Member
Well USA, it's been fun. We may as well welcome our new corporate overlords I guess.
Dude Abides
Banned
Right to free-ride laws in states generally don't apply to public sector unions.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
As if this hasn't been the case for most of our lifetimes anyway.
Machine
Member
This only pertains to public-sector unions right? I'm not sure I have a huge problem with it. One of the reasons so many municipalities have crushing financial problems is that the unions help people get elected who turn around and negotiate contracts with those same unions that got them into office. Favorable for union members not so much for taxpayers.
Man so the only way to kill Police unions would be to outlaw them entirely. Makes since to pay the entity that is protecting you especially since they probably have ways to find who isn't paying.
This is the real problem. The Court won't create a carve out for police unions, but the police is the only organization that maintains a cultish enough culture that they could successfully remain unionized even in a right-to-work environment. Most people don't like paying their union dues because they don't directly feel the benefits, but for cops you can just think of it as "killed a black dude" insurance and happily pay up.
But yeah, public service unions are effectively dead now. But least we successfully punished Hillary Clinton for her emails??
Their way of waking up is to elect people like Trump who ride the tide of their anger and then make things worse.
Dude Abides
Banned
This is a common right-wing talking point but it isn't actually true. The municipal workforce in municipalities is not large enough to have a meaningful electoral impact.
How much of the middle class relies on unions anymore? I agree America needs more unions, not less, but unions are already a relic to much of middle class and the working poor in America.
djplaeskool
Member
Yeah. In states where unions have already lost the lions share of their power, this might not be much of a deal.
Here in Israel I loathe unions.
We have one huge union that is in control of almost all of the smaller unions and they only care about supporting big organizations and not helping the people that really need help.
They also are very willing to use massive strikes and fuck up life here for almost any small issue, including if a bad employee should be fired.
I wish unions here could not be connected to one another....
We have one huge union that is in control of almost all of the smaller unions and they only care about supporting big organizations and not helping the people that really need help.
They also are very willing to use massive strikes and fuck up life here for almost any small issue, including if a bad employee should be fired.
I wish unions here could not be connected to one another....
ClosingADoor
Member
Any way to just strip the people not in the union from the benefits? Don't join, you get a lower wage and less vacation days, lower pension matching, etc, etc. Seems like that is how it should be, since without the union your bargaining power goes down.
I can honestly see both sides on this one. If you aren't in the union it sure seems unfair you have to pain union dues, but if you are reaping the benefits of the union's collective bargaining at the same time then those fees make sense. The real issue is the unions allowing the business to hire non-union employees in positions that would benefit from their gains of collective bargaining.
IrishNinja
Member
really feeling that stolen seat now - better still to see dude out there literally carrying water for the party, not sure if it's unprecedented but it's crazy shitty to see
these people are the worst
ughhh
really is hard to imagine a union comeback after this, unless unemployment/market falls apart bad enough where something drastic takes place in worker culture
it's not. public service unions (fire/police/EMS) are literally their lifeblood, you're not going to serve in most major cities without being a member. ive seen assholes firsthand trying to duck fees & it doesn't go well or hold for very long, thankfully.
these people are the worst
ughhh
really is hard to imagine a union comeback after this, unless unemployment/market falls apart bad enough where something drastic takes place in worker culture
it's not. public service unions (fire/police/EMS) are literally their lifeblood, you're not going to serve in most major cities without being a member. ive seen assholes firsthand trying to duck fees & it doesn't go well or hold for very long, thankfully.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Was it a paid speech? If so, motherfucker needs to recuse himself.
All the same, many unions like the SEIU are predominately urban and this will represent a further weakening of their political outreach, which is overwhelmingly Democratic. Something else fills the vacuum, and it's not going to be pro-globalization, unless this results in removing people from the process.
Lonewulfeus
Member
Uhhhhh it's already happening