FireAndBlood
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It seems like there's a good chance Republicans may control at least 60 Senate seats.
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The 2018 Senate map just keeps getting better for Republicans
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So you'd rather he didn't push through anything? Because he needed the 60 votes and that was the compromise. Obama didn't fail the US electorate. The US electorate failed Obama. Every time I hear some crap from him about the "goodness in all of us" I can't help but roll my eyes.
balladofwindfishes
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The most liberal state in the country gave Hillary record numbers of votes.
If progressives absolutely detest the Democrats, they sure have a funny way of showing it, considering how every single progressive state in the country voted.
Democrats losing that many seats in a midterm where they don't hold the presidency would be unheard of.
i love how i keep having to point out that i voted democrat in 2016 and every election since i was 18. the party has utterly failed me and every other constituent that counted on it to oppose overtly evil republican policies. i have a right to be angry and demand change.
Lets give this another 12 months before we throw in the towel.
Keep working for it. We were competitive in MO with Trump on the ticket. We can be competitive in many of these states. And Trump and the GOPs popularity is sinking.
We just need to turn out and we can keep the Senate close enough and try and flip the house.
Keep working for it. We were competitive in MO with Trump on the ticket. We can be competitive in many of these states. And Trump and the GOPs popularity is sinking.
We just need to turn out and we can keep the Senate close enough and try and flip the house.
hodayathink
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You mean the 2016 policies that were heavily influenced by Sanders and the most liberal the party platform has ever been? That policy?
The issue wasn't that the policy was bad. The issue is that people concentrated so much on their dislike (or like) of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump that no one actually paid attention to the policies. When Republicans win on policy that is actively screwing over their base, you can't sit here and tell me that the biggest issue is policy.
Empyrean Heaven
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Reminder: if Republicans pick up just 8 seats in the Senate, which is very likely, they will have a supermajority and can pass constituional amendments uncontested. And then we'll have a LITERAL dictatorship.
HE DID NOT EVEN TRY
the very first thing he did was go to insurance and pharmaceutical companies to get their input. those people are the fucking enemy and any real positive healthcare change has to come in the face of their objections. they profit from our sickness and death and want nothing good for us, we should not even consider their best interests.
obama started from a fatally compromised position and disillusioned his passionate base immediately.
Constitutional amendments have to be ratified by 38 states.
hipsterpants
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We are a little under two years away from 2018 elections, why are we acting like Democrats are already doomed? I mean ffs the article calls Heller an "early favorite" even though he's a GOP senator in a state that went overwhelmingly blue 2 months ago.
Maybe wait a couple months before freaking out.
Maybe wait a couple months before freaking out.
Empyrean Heaven
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Oh hey look, Republicans have control of 37 state legislatures.
Well, I guess there IS this happening. If RBG is alive and Kennedy votes the correct way, we can hopefully fix this whether or not Neil Gagsworth is confirmed yet or not.
thecouncil
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It's wild how fast things went from "Republicans are a dying party who really need to change their platform to appeal" to "Democrats are a dying party who really need to change their platform to appeal". It happened in about a day, literally.
progressive policies that the clinton camp fought tooth and nail to avoid, policies that she did not run on, policies that were openly disdained by the partisans who would have made up the clinton administration and cabinet. hillary clinton is not a fucking progressive.
Should it be something that the Dems take in solace regarding that the ACA is really a Republican idea? Of course it's not going to be ideal or fully accountable: it's linked to Republican ideas and policies.
balladofwindfishes
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This isn't how it works
The issue is Hillary's campaign rested on their laurels and assumed that the rust belt was behind them.
Rentahamster
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Reminder: That's not how it works.
Carpe Carnim
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I didn't claim you don't vote DEM, I'm just pointing out you're outnumbered by the 'moderates' or 'neo-lib' activists and voters. You decide whether you're going to throw your hands on the air, or vote Nader 2020, or whatever. The rest of us will be putting in work while you nurse your grievances about being a philosophical minority in the party.
maybe we should start by asking why signature democratic policies from the last two time we held the presidency were basically republican ideas
In this context a supermajority is two thirds of the Senate and the House. Stop spreading apocalyptic nonsense without even a glance at Wikipedia. Things are bad enough as they are.
tearsintherain
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A constitutional amendment requires 2/3'ds majority vote in senate AND house -- they would need 67 seats in the senate and 293 in the house. They currently hold 52/240. It would also have to be approved by 38 of 50 state legislatures.
34 of the 50 states can also convene a constitutional convention to change the constitution, currently Republicans control 32 states and its much more likely that would be a path for constitutional change than at the federal level.
JCreasy
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THIS
TheOfficeMut
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The poster you quoted said the policies were influenced by Sanders. She adopted his stances. So now your talking point is that she should have had some of his stances from the beginning but because she didn't that was a problem?
Is compromise not a word in your vocabulary? The hell do some of you want.
Omg.....are they going to try to amend it with something atrocious??!?
Squirrel Killer
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Not even a day, I'd say it was November 8th, 2016 between 7p-8p EST.
Lord Frieza
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Oh Lord.
Prof. Bathtub
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On the topic of the dreaded demoralization, this is why the weekly mass protests were effective in boosting morale, solidarity and attention. Unfortunately, they're either planned many weeks in advance (woman's march, upcoming ones on science, tax, etc) or sparked by an sudden outrage (travel ban).
Since Republicans don't change their views after blocking their phones, running away from town halls, etc, the solution is to keep doing those things in order to perpetually remind people that they don't care about their constituents.
Since Republicans don't change their views after blocking their phones, running away from town halls, etc, the solution is to keep doing those things in order to perpetually remind people that they don't care about their constituents.
No they don't.
balladofwindfishes
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Hillary ran on student loan forgiveness, public healthcare, paid family leave, closing private prisons, making sure citizens united was overruled and ensuring equal pay no matter your race or gender.
She wasn't just progressive, she would have been the most progressive president we've had in a generation.
Can some of you do some actual basic research before spouting hyperbole?
The gerrymandering will prevent the Dems from getting a majority. Don't get your hopes up. In the Senate we might have a chance, but otherwise we'll get more of the same.
Our only reasonable hope is the justice system unless the DNC can GOTV in 2018, my faith is low.
The only people who said "The GOP is dying" last year were idiots. The GOP controlled the Senate, the House, and most state legislatures. That's not a party on its death bed.
Gerrymandering does not permanently prevent Dems from winning the election, and winning the House is a likelier outcome than winning the Senate (frankly I think winning both the House AND Senate is more likely than winning just the Senate).
Even the people saying that the GOP would never win the presidency again for decades were completely deluding themselves.
People have been saying it for years. The base and the party leaders were in denial.
TheOfficeMut
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These points will never matter to some people who claim to be progressive because to those individuals her cons outweigh her policies.
Lord Frieza
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It's amazing what a lack of charisma will convince some people of. Man, our politics suck so much ass. I'm sure other countries have a similar problem, but it never seems to be as pronounced as ours.
Carpe Carnim
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Progs in the fog, want to be handed the levers of power in the DEM party and have them snatched from the activists and voters who both outnumber, and out-organize them. Then they want to be told that their intransigence and inability to compromise was REALLY the fault of 'neo-libs' and Conserva-Dems. And a pony that shits rainbows.
Fenderputty
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Yeah fuck that noise
I feel like the Senate is going to be a losing battle for the foreseeable future. There's just too many red states - the states on the midwest and the south are just too numerous, and they're getting more and more conservative as young people flock to the coasts.
At this point we just need to make what gains we can in the House and hope that local governments weather the storm until 2020.
And pray for those stuck in red states.
At this point we just need to make what gains we can in the House and hope that local governments weather the storm until 2020.
And pray for those stuck in red states.
Lord Frieza
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I mean, I always vote in midterms. My vote doesn't matter, though, because I'm in TN, but I do it anyway.
Heller is still the only Republican with reason to be afraid, despite early polling in his advantage. All that popular anger against Trump? He's going to have to defeat it, as well as the well-oiled Democratic machine in Nevada.
The Dems will have a headwind because they can't really be blamed for anything right now, aside from folks like Manchin with ties to corruption.
The Dems will have a headwind because they can't really be blamed for anything right now, aside from folks like Manchin with ties to corruption.
Fenderputty
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Our chances in 2018 revolve entirely around how much damage the GOP does before the mid term. If Paul Ryan fucks with SS and Medicare we will slaughter. Of the GOP blows the Obamacare repeal we have a good chance of performing better in red states than we currently do. If all the GOP does is fiddle fuck around for 2 years regarding a wall and keeping brown people out, things look sketchy
Agreed.
Flake runs the risk of being primary'd, too.
The country is dangerously right and conservative, and thus we act from this shitty place.
That much is obvious. We're a danger to ourselves, and this should be more obvious now than ever.
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