Himynameischris
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lol that's pretty awesome
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The General Star Trek Thread of Earl Grey Tea, Baseball, and KHHHAAAANNNN
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OneEightZero
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I was going to criticize you for pushing The Voyage Home down so far, but the more I think about it...yeah, this list is pretty on point. ^_^
Stallion Dan
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Voyage Home is top 3 with II and VI.
This is a good list.
Himynameischris
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Just curious if anyone knows this but when they film a season, do they keep around the same background characters throughout the shoot or is it a per episode type of thing? I've noticed a few recurring characters that get a speaking part but for the most part it's just random people you never see again. Anyways I was just wondering,
so I made it to season 7, that was a good two parter, I've noticed the majority of Voyager two part episodes tend to be pretty good except for everything going back to normal at the end.
so I made it to season 7, that was a good two parter, I've noticed the majority of Voyager two part episodes tend to be pretty good except for everything going back to normal at the end.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
There are "regular extras" that they use and recycle across the series, but the ones that come back are mostly part of the crew IIRC.
I'm a little confused on the ending of a Voyager episode. At the end of "Omega Directive" did they just destroy the Omega molecules or did they blow up the Omega molecules and fuck up that alien species nearby subspace? Earlier in the episode they said if subspace was about to be fouled up they would only have ten seconds to escape. As soon as the torpedo detonated they instantly went to warp speed. Was that just a precautionary measure?
Either way, those aliens had a really bad day.
Either way, those aliens had a really bad day.
Himynameischris
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I just saw that, they just destroyed them but the explosion had to be huge so the aliens still got fucked up
Ah ok, would be kinda cool to be an extra for an episode or even get a speaking part
Stallion Dan
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They did it in the earlier series quite a bit with recurring extras who spoke, but then just kinda stopped.
I finished season seven myself. I'm one of the few who actually likes how Voyager ends.
I don't actually like many of the two parters on Voyager...but for whatever reason love Workforce.
There's a reoccurring season one character who shows back up late in season seven
Season 7 is bad enough (easily the third worst season after 2 and 1) but without Stewart that would have killed the finale, the best Trek finale and the only real highlight of season seven.
I don't actually like many of the two parters on Voyager...but for whatever reason love Workforce.
There's a reoccurring season one character who shows back up late in season seven
and gets killed a third of the way through an episode.
Season 7 is bad enough (easily the third worst season after 2 and 1) but without Stewart that would have killed the finale, the best Trek finale and the only real highlight of season seven.
Himynameischris
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Tom's love for the early 20th century is kinda funny...you have a room that can create whatever you want and he keeps going back to that time period.
VenomousCoffee
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I just watched The Magnificent Seven and started a replay of Red Dead Redemption and it's probably no different. Our desire to romanticize the Wild West would look pretty strange to people who really lived without indoor plumbing or electricity--and law enforcement.
Himynameischris
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Tom the hipster of the 24th century lol
That's true I'd probably do a few wild-west programs but I think I'd be more like O'Brian and Bashir, do more historical stuff.
That's true I'd probably do a few wild-west programs but I think I'd be more like O'Brian and Bashir, do more historical stuff.
That's one of the things I've liked about a lot of Star Trek's approach to the past, honestly. It's done in a very realistic mannerby which I mean people remember the exciting or fun or adventurous stuff and not the reality. Star Trek IV pokes fun at both how "primitive" we seem to 23rd century explorers, but also how out of their depth those explorers are in the time period as well.
That's why Sisko's complaint about Vic's holoprogram always struck me as weirdyeah, it's modeled after a period of time in which black people were discriminated against, but the whole point of the holodeck is wish fulfillment. Enjoying a sanitized and romanticized version of a period doesn't create any moral quandary.
People give Dear Doctor a lot of shit for character assassination (and they should for the awful moral it is trying to teach) but a Night in Sickbay is about a thousand times worse in that regard. It makes Archer look like a fratboy douche and the most unprofessional person possible.
I think they got stuck trying to make a comedic idea into a more traditional drama and tasked an actor who is pretty damn good at being smug into being one of those dog owners that just becomes a monster whenever it involves their pet.
I think they got stuck trying to make a comedic idea into a more traditional drama and tasked an actor who is pretty damn good at being smug into being one of those dog owners that just becomes a monster whenever it involves their pet.
DrForester
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The ship stranded on it's own thing really lent itself well to a supporting cast, but Voyager never made use of it.
There were a few side characters in S1 and S2 that would show up here and there and talk, but they were forgotten about. Really, the only three supporting characters on the crew were Icheb, Naomi, and Naomi's Mom, and together they only appeared in maybe a dozen episodes.
Himynameischris
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True and they removed the racism/prejudice so it's not like he had to experience it, sad that they had no problem leaving the sexism in though.
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Ugh I hated that episode and made me dislike Archer even more.
I think Icheb definitely worked out pretty well as a side character. The Borg kids got to add more layers to Seven but Icheb also functioned as an interesting character in his own right. The fact that we learn his parents
sacrificed him as an anti-Borg weapon
Basically, only through Kasidy's cajoling though.
That entire episode (and holodeck eps on DS9 in general) are full of stupid though, and that's even counting the shenanigans VOY got up to. The idea that killing a character in a holoprogram deletes them was regularly trotted out, even as it makes no sense, and the tension in "Badda Bing" is because the only other way to get rid of the mobsters would be resetting the program and "killing" Vic, which seems ludicrous they can't save character profiles separately from the program, or else have no sort of snapshotting feature for backups. And really Vic is a terrible character that took up way too much screen time in the final season, so I'm predisposed to hate it. We get the women in nice dresses, I can't really say I see what other merits the episode has.
I like this bit a lot but if you think about it....
they're like the fourth or fifth group to do this same thing across TNG/DS9/VOY. They think about doing it with Hugh in TNG (and accidentally do by giving him the gift of individuality. Section 31 tries this against the founders. At least three different alien races do it in the Delta Quadrant against the borg.
Himynameischris
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Yup, I guess it could have been budget issues? DS9 did it really well and I'd say some of the best characters were the side characters (Garak, Quark, Dukat before the prophets stuff). I just saw the episode when they find the three crew outcasts and they go on an away mission with Janeway, I enjoyed seeing the lives of the lower ranks,
Yeah, but I think it makes sense. The Borg want your technology and they want you. Effective strategies against them are probably going to funnel into those two categories.
(Also, if you want to get really nitpicky, you could say Janeway did this as well in the finale.)
I actually thought about editing it in. She does exactly that. It's played out considering this is the race that adapts to everything else after one or two goes.
Taking them out with something like Unimatrix Zero was a fresh bit. Intentionally getting a vector assimilated happens all the time and they should really update their malware protection.
Himynameischris
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What was the argument for not eradicating the borg? It's not like they had innocent women and children or something. Everyone is a drone, everyone is assimilating, if you have a chance to wipe them out you do it, I see it like not wanting to eradicating a virus...or plague
On TNG it's because Hugh is a sentient being and a pretty cool dude.
Every other time...they pretty much don't care about doing just that.
You'd think after recovering Seven though they'd be real hesitant to do that considering they can rehabilitate them.
Himynameischris
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I guess not killing Hugh makes sense but they weakened the Borg too much. There have been 3 instances I remember where the borg could have been defeated and luckily weren't because of those pesky humans. In TNG they were this scary race you wanted no part of, by Voyager they were raiding tactical Cubes.
Edit: lol Jerry from parks and rec played a duped merchant
Edit: lol Jerry from parks and rec played a duped merchant
Stallion Dan
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Apparently Voyager has more recurring crewmen than I thought. I always noticed Vorik in minor appearances but apparently he one of the less common characters.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/VOY_recurring_characters
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/VOY_recurring_characters
Yeah they've got plenty of background continuity. If it were a modern show they would have actually developed some of those background characters though. Carey is actually an exception because he literally didn't show up after season one except when it was an alternate universe until he showed up to die in S7.
This got a huge chuckle from me.
Himynameischris
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Lmao seven as the doctor, that was hilarious
weemadarthur
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I thought Jeri Ryan acted very well in that episode. She was recognizable as Picardo's doctor, and switched in the same scene - no cuts.
Himynameischris
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Yeah she did really well, sucks she got stuck playing an emotionless cyborg although she was still good at it
The two most interesting characters, some japery and a very well acted episode. Not much to not like!
Himynameischris
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lol yeah this was one of my fav episodes,
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The closest Voyager gets to a gay relationship is that episode. 
Himynameischris
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The closest Voyager gets to a gay relationship is that episode.
lol yeah, I like that they didn't make it too weird, like it would be unheard of for two males to be together
Himynameischris
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So not only is Harry a terrible captain, seven is a better starfleet officer
Himynameischris
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Sorry for triple post but Seven is such a great character, I saw the episode where she creates a romance with Chakotay.
StopMakingSense
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Seven and the Doctor could have just killed everyone else on the ship and the show would have been none the worse for it.
Himynameischris
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The episode where they are only ones awake during a "storm" proves you right lol
I'm less than 10 episodes away from finishing, I'm going to miss my star trek binging
VenomousCoffee
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Seven's "you are all morons" moments were the best thing about Voyager.
I do think that series had a lot of potential, but you can't overcome sustained bad writing.
I do think that series had a lot of potential, but you can't overcome sustained bad writing.
Himynameischris
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Her and Tuvok not taking anyones BS is the best
The episode where they are only ones awake during a "storm" proves you right lol
I'm less than 10 episodes away from finishing, I'm going to miss my star trek binging
You can always watch Babylon 5 (for free on some weird but legal streaming service) if you're in need of more Sci Fi.
I generally like everyone in the cast a lot besides Kim and Chakotay. I even like Chakotay's actor a lot but he gets the worst material pretty much all the time. It's still true though that the show just being Doctor Who with Seven as the companion would have been amazing.
I'm about halfway through Enterprise myself and will probably watch DS9 later in the year. Everytime I watch this show I like it a little bit more, just like Voyager. I think Trip reminding me of George W Bush is what put me off from getting into it when it premiered. I still think the Temporal Cold War stuff should have been its own series. What I keep noticing each time I rewatch it is how much I really like the Vulcans here. They're pretty much always right, just being dicks about it. When they're wrong though, they're wrong as hell. I like how in the fourth season they portray a lot of it being the Romulans dicking around with them as it sort of makes sense.
Himynameischris
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That new trailer for Discovery was better, I'm cautiously excited again. I really hope it's good.
Oh I have been meaning to give that a watch, thanks for the suggestion
I can't stand Chakotay, he's the worst character on there. He's basically Janeways lap dog. I don't mind Harry but they couldn't figure out what to do with him so he's just kinda there. I like Tom and B'lanna together and Neelix is ok in the background.
Oh I have been meaning to give that a watch, thanks for the suggestion
I can't stand Chakotay, he's the worst character on there. He's basically Janeways lap dog. I don't mind Harry but they couldn't figure out what to do with him so he's just kinda there. I like Tom and B'lanna together and Neelix is ok in the background.