Not trying to downplay BF but it's during the time of the year when sales go up for everything. Without having a good supply of PS5s or XSXs it's hard to gauge how significant the demands really are.
I know you're not doing it but some use holidays to gauge a systems success when that isn't necessarily correct to do so.
So by that same metric, we should ignore the Switch's sales in the UK over BF weekend as any indicator of its health as a platform, even though those sales ultimately add to its install base?
Not every system is going to sell a consistent amount of units in a ratio relative other systems for any given month, if that were true we would always see exactly one console selling the most every single month with no deviations, etc. Some systems may not have big holiday sales but steady sales throughout most of the rest of the year. Others may have sporadic sale steadiness for the rest of the year but big sales during holidays due to adjacent new software releases. And other systems still may see boosts.
He explained why XSS is in the UK second place and that's because the other consoles are out of stock.
Has he ever given an explanation for the times PS5 was in 2nd in the UK (or any analyst, for that matter) that had anything to do with other system offerings being out of stock? Because stock issues can affect any system at any time, even if as an average over time one system is more in stock (which by the way, != "just sitting on store shelves", which is what the term has taken on meaning-wise with some people) than the other.
If he was in this thread, he would tell you why the XSS is in first place in the US and that's because the XSX and PS5 are out of stock.
Okay, and that doesn't make him an authority on the subject. He's one person with their opinion; another analyst could tell you the same fact but give a different supportive reason, whose you weigh more comes down to which perspective more closely aligns with your own. And again, would he use the "out of stock" reasoning WRT Switch or Series X if PS5 came in 1st place? Because any other time the PS5 has this year, very few people have actually levied it as other options being supply-constrained.
In fact, particularly WRT Xbox their concern-trolling begins with questioning if Xbox even has any demand. Double standards are at play here.
IS that true or false? It's true. There's no reason to debate about this. The only reason why you choose to do it is that you don't like it when people mention it.
Because contextual use and motive of intent in stating a fact are even more important in cases than the fact itself. Why do you think "fake news" became a phenomenon?
You have no problem quoting DF of VG tech for accurate information as to why one console is performing better than the other. Seems like citing sources and sharing information is not wanted unless it's to praise the Xbox.
Dude I haven't posted on a DF or VG Tech thing in months. In fact the only recent time I have was to tell people who were using early Elden Ring perf on the new systems to stop using it as a means of criticizing a console's design choices or try theorizing it's bottlenecks, because they were being very selective.
Otherwise I honestly am not following the tech comparison stuff anymore.
Let's look at the previous comments in this thread.
I explained why it's a stock issue.
DForce
I gave an explanation and you then accused me of being "mad".
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
I said there's nothing to be mad about. I'm just telling you what it says in the article.
DForce
You're accusing people of quoting the article to downplay the fact that the XSS sold well.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
I said this is a console performance thread during Black Friday. That means you have to compare how one console sold versus the other.
DForce
Ozriel replied and basically said people praised sony for being able to launch more consoles despite a launching a week later. Is irrelevant because you guys weren't allowed to mention that during the launch week.
Ozriel
I stuck to the Black Friday console comparison topic because that's what the topic is about.
DForce
This is another, "It doesn't matter what the article says" comment.
Banjo64
I was then being accused of lying and making up facts. I cited my sources and my information was never disputed by anyone.
bushwookie
I kept it short and simple. I shared links and information and asked him to dispute it. He never returned.
DForce
Max replied to his comment and said it's fanboyism, even though I made it perfectly clear that I'm giving reasons why the XSS also sold out another Xbox console. It was never about Xbox versus PlayStation.
Max Payne’s Baretta
I replied and said the information is in the article
DForce
He never once discussed the context of the article. It's evident that he wanted to ignore it.
Max Payne’s Baretta
DForce
Max Payne’s Baretta
DForce
Instead of posting my entire conversation with Kingfey, I will only quote the most important parts.
kingfey
DForce
kingfey
The Xbox Series S is selling and it's one of the most popular items during Black Friday. No one ever disputed that.
He did not want to acknowledge what was in the article. I asked him directly if the article says the other consoles are out of stock after accusing me of being desperate by saying it's a stock issue.
DForce
He admitted "even with stock issues
kingfey
I'm not here to speak on behalf of other people so you kind of just wasted time quoting everyone who's been talking with you ITT aside from myself. As for the back-and-forth between you and I, there's no need for me to clarify anything previously said.
You have enough time to quote multiple folks, you probably have enough time to read what I posted more carefully to see what my main point of discussion in the thread has been.
Conclusion
I stuck to the subject, I mentioned what was in the article and I backed up information from NowInStock to prove my point.
Using a single tracking website to prove your point is like trying to use a single limited survey to back up a political theory. You have to cross-reference data from multiple sources (preferably including ones that can over blind spots data-wise of complements) before thinking you've got the silver bullet.
The people who replied to me did not discuss the part of the article where it mentions that it was a stock issue.
Because for starters, the line in the article mentioning it being a stock issue did not itself emphasize that as the main point of the article (and any loaded connotations it has taken on since have come from readers putting their own viewpoints on this). Secondly,
ANYONE can assume that stock is going to play a factor when it comes to sales, you cannot sell what you do not have to sell.
This is true of
EVERY industry, and
EVERY good, so there is no reason to explicitly mention stock playing a part in Series S's sales when that should be assumed. The
ONLY reason to insist on explicit mention of it, is if to signify that fact as having a much greater significance than usual, which inversely implies that the item in question saw a majority of its sales from factors other than its own merit(s).
...Which is why we have seen so many salty meltdowns around this discussion devolve into denigrating the Series S, or Xbox brand, in one way or another.
If people can "clearly read it" as you claim, then there wouldn't be a huge effort to ignore what was written inside of the article.
No one's trying to ignore it, the truth you don't want to accept is that it simply isn't an important or unique enough factor to mention.
The replies were are filled with false accusations that I was saying the XSS wouldn't sell if the other consoles were in stock. Yes, people can clearly read what was in the article, but they want to pretend it doesn't exist.
Well that is most likely your own fault and maybe you should've structured your posts better, in a way where they didn't come off as doing the thing you feel they have been wrongly interpreted of.
I mean misinterpretation happens to all of us from time to time, but on topics like this you kind of have to admit you have a history of a certain "perspective" WRT a specific brand, that is going to follow you around when you make future posts regarding things of that same brand. And if so many people are making those "misinterpretations" of your posts here,
maybe that's a sign that what I'm describing here isn't a one-off