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The rise of Trump has led to an unexpected twist in Germany: A resurgent left
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CyclopsRock
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I struggle to avoid the conclusion that this is basically just wishful thinking. Labour (in the UK) has become Europe's largest left wing political party in terms of member numbers even as it continues its kamikaze dive into irrelevancy. Similarly the Lib Dems have seen their numbers go up and they'll be lucky to have more than 15 MPs at the next election.
Frankfurter
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I'm not sure what you are trying to say and how the situation in the UK relates to the in Germany?
I'll stop making "Dutch sounds like drunk German" jokes if you don't vote for him.
cmiiw, but even if Wilders gets the most votes, other parties rule out a coalition with him, essentially making Wilders final ranking more of a symbolic thing, right?
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Obama 2009, Trump 2017 and Schulz 2017 - buying some bread at the bakery.
Look at all those unemployed Germans. Sad.
But it is drunk German.
RocknRola
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Though to be fair, the whole Portugal ordeal was a bit (not long though) before the whole Brexit + Trump idiocy.
shhh
Red Arremer
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first off sorry for lack of caoitalization and apostrophes, as well as any typos, i only can use one hand at the moment.
you say that, however, austria has a similar education system and focus on ww2 and its atrocities in its curriculum, and the right wing party is stronger than ever before. and while we barely managed to dodge a right winger president (which is a figurehead), it was extremely close.
i hope that trumps presidency and the shitfaces of the GOP make people here realize that right wingers only want to line their own pockets and dishevel democracy at every turn, but i sincerely doubt it. it doesn't help that the most consumed media here is breitbart and fox news levels of quality.
that said, germany tends to rub off on austria, and both the german and austrian social democrats have started to wake up out of their comatose state, it seems. or at least so i hope.
you say that, however, austria has a similar education system and focus on ww2 and its atrocities in its curriculum, and the right wing party is stronger than ever before. and while we barely managed to dodge a right winger president (which is a figurehead), it was extremely close.
i hope that trumps presidency and the shitfaces of the GOP make people here realize that right wingers only want to line their own pockets and dishevel democracy at every turn, but i sincerely doubt it. it doesn't help that the most consumed media here is breitbart and fox news levels of quality.
that said, germany tends to rub off on austria, and both the german and austrian social democrats have started to wake up out of their comatose state, it seems. or at least so i hope.
titiklabingapat
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I hope this is a start of a trend. The left seriously need to start striking back from this devolution. Hopefully the internet accelerates that.
CyclopsRock
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One piece of evidence put forth in the article that the SPD is "bouncing back" is the dues-paying members increasing. My point is that this isn't a proxy for electoral success, and used the UK as an example of a place where two parties are seeing their member count go up but their electoral prospect dwindle.
I think the one thing that helped built the German character after ww2 was that there was no way on earth to play a victim card. We had to face all the atrocities we committed up front or go into nirvana.
In the long run - as cruel as it is - it seems much better to be the perpetrator psychologically. Now sad for nations that had the potential to choose and they all chose victim.
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If LePen loses and Germany doesn't vote for a nutcase then Europe will be saved, there could be a bottom to the pro-exit trend.
Frankfurter
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The primary piece of evidence, though, is that polls are showing that the SPD jumped from ~20% to ~30% within the last 3 or so weeks.
It's just such a change that it is worth mentioning.
SPD has been losing members for decades now. From about 1 million to fewer than 500k.
This. Austria very conveniently positioned itself as Nazi-Germany's first "victim" / "annexation"
I know you love merkel but that sentence is disgusting.
vonStirlitz
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We have to be cautious about equating Berlin, and Berlin based media, with the rest of the country, but an interesting story.
Or falae facts from a FAILliNG source if you are of the Trump persuasion.
Or falae facts from a FAILliNG source if you are of the Trump persuasion.
RocknRola
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As mentioned before, Portugal turned left a bit before (late 2015). Spain almost kinda turned left, but they couldn't form any sort of majority for a long time and the right leaning party that was governing before continued on governing (or something along those lines, I'm sure any Spanish gaffer will explain it better).
Other than that, not sure. Maybe, maybe not.
I was referencing the comparison in the op (and in the media in general). Like emphasis on IS. I probably should add a indeed to make it more clear.
I think our mainstream media (The Netherlands) does a fairly good job at showing the effects of Trump and Brexit to people and a lot of the media also compare Wilders to him. So here is me hoping. I believe the latest polls see him declining but I choose to not read into the polls that much anymore.
Dictator93
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Loud mouthed? In the sense that trump is loud mouthed?
My goodness. Just because schäuble said it does not make it true!
Coming from someone who is much futher left than SPD, I am happy he comes across as jovial and "outspoken".
Red Arremer
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yeah that is true enough, and something that is upsetting, since unlike in other occupied countries such as france or poland, austrian resistance against the annexation and regime was minimal, and lets not forget that austria just went from one dictator to another - dollfuß was a fascist as well. so while austria certainly was annexed first, there is no narrative imo where it is purely a victim, especially considering the heavy participation in ww2 atrocities.
Schulz is definetly a bit populist and anti-establishment. Unlike most other current populists he's not insane and actually has the qualifications to back up what he's talking about.
I was responding to the op where the comparison is brought up.
For Belgium, no.
The Trump comparisons are the biggest joke yet.
Read his Twitter and compare yourself: https://twitter.com/MartinSchulz
(Twitter's Bing translation is actually pretty decent)
Read his Twitter and compare yourself: https://twitter.com/MartinSchulz
(Twitter's Bing translation is actually pretty decent)
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Ps taking any web developers? Asking for a friend...
Ps taking any web developers? Asking for a friend...
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LegendofJoe
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The EU is the most important political experiment of our time. The German people rallying to save it is a thing of beauty. I hope that one day in the not too distant future the US and UK can look to Germany for inspiration and as an example to emulate.
Same...
I'd argue that we've seen indications with the Austrian presidental election last december. Even though the right wind candidate got more votes than he should have, he still got considerably less than during the first round which took place before brexit and trump
Magic Mushroom
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Unless Rutte breaks another promise. That said, I can see this happening in NL to an extent. GroenLinks could do it, something I would welcome.
Patrick Bateman
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I never thought I'd read such a comment.
PdotMichael
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Never compare continental Europeans with the crazy Anglosaxons. People underestimate the differences in political culture between countries way too often.
Dangansona
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Whoa tell your friend to back off I already posted in DeutschGAF that I'm looking for Web Dev in Germany!
Unless he is higher than Junior level. Then I'll let it slide.
It not being true in the UK doesn't therefore mean it won't be in Germany either though.
AFAIK Germany uses PR for their general elections, which presumably means that party support rising is going to have a more direct impact on their power in an election. Whereas thats all irrelevant in the UK if the support is concentrated in a few (already Labour/Lib Dem) constituencies
Caveat: I don't remember that much about German politics so that could be total bollocks, hopefully the general point about the UK still applies enough to point out its not necessarily that simple though!
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Fair play to him, I got the gist of it anyway.
Fantastapotamus
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I'm glad so many people here already explained that the European center-right is not even remotely comparable to the American center-right. It's important to note that when discussing European politics and parties
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ebullientprism
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USA finally, actually leading by example. 
gutter_trash
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goood, good
UK, you best wise up and look at Germany... an normal regular left organized look to take government
UK, you best wise up and look at Germany... an normal regular left organized look to take government
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