Draugoth
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That bad King Kong game was only in development for a year
That the game came out at all is commendable.
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The Verge: “Skull Island: Rise of Kong” only had 1 year of development time and 2-20 devs
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Magic Carpet
Member
Strike that reverse it. 1 developer and 20 min of time.
diffusionx
Gold Member
This was a totally normal dev team and calendar on PSX and earlier lol.
UnsanctionedBuffoonery
Member
And that was with a 2002 engine and tools. 1 year with 2022-2023 engine and tools is no excuse.
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Fart Knight
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Trash is trash.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
to be fair phoenix wright isn't exactly the most ambitious game. Doesn't make it bad but the vice city comparisons earlier made more sense. This game was clearly trying to be an action adventure of some sortShu Takumi with limited budget and small team made iconic game like..
Good devs can make great games even on limited budget.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
For its time it actually was, especially how made the limited animation look good.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
So, they basically are trying to get money for games they actually want to make using this to money grab from less than smart consumers?
Look, I can even get why you would do that, but saying that your are proud of that is kinda pathetic.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
monkeying around.
Gojiira
Member
Probably throwing shit at each other
semiconscious
Member
cinnamonandgravy
Member
what kind of range is that?
"yeah, i'll be there in 15min to next week".
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fran.fernandez
Member
long ago I was in charge for developing a well know game worldwide , with multiple release in many consoles.
The team was basically me and some time one or two more guys for a week (programmers).
I program and graphic. So this huge aaa company paid the company I worked to finish the game . One day my manager forgot to turn his pc off for lunch break and I saw the contract , 4 engineers (each salary 9.800 us monthly etc). Well, I was paid less than 3.000 us .
I quit after that, now I work at that aaa company
Pretty sure similar thing happened here, some one just took a bunch of money.
The team was basically me and some time one or two more guys for a week (programmers).
I program and graphic. So this huge aaa company paid the company I worked to finish the game . One day my manager forgot to turn his pc off for lunch break and I saw the contract , 4 engineers (each salary 9.800 us monthly etc). Well, I was paid less than 3.000 us
.I quit after that, now I work at that aaa company
Pretty sure similar thing happened here, some one just took a bunch of money.
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SlimeGooGoo
Party Gooper
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I remember when low budget games had low budget prices.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
This game looks ugly and just badly made, would you still buy it on low budget price?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I wouldn’t play it for free.
I still think they’ve got nerve asking $40 for it, plus separate DLC.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
It has DLC!? God damn!
IAmRei
Member
Game is not all about engine. Engine also not works like magic. You will still need a lot, even by today standard. Audio Visual assets also need time. Back then, textures and model of the game can be reused or redesigned easily, because not detailed like today assets.
And that was with a 2002 engine and tools. 1 year with 2022-2023 engine and tools is no excuse.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
Shu Takumi with limited budget and small team made iconic game like..
Good devs can make great games even on limited budget.
Another example
Doomtrain
Member
The Vice City comparison is a bad one. Vice City recycled the engine, tons of assets, AI behaviors, etc. from GTA 3. On top of that, it had a much larger team, and backing and resources from Rockstar, a massive studio.
One year to make a game totally from scratch with a small, fluctuating team (which means key members with knowledge of the project were likely leaving partway through) is nothing. Blame on this one goes to management, not the individual devs.
One year to make a game totally from scratch with a small, fluctuating team (which means key members with knowledge of the project were likely leaving partway through) is nothing. Blame on this one goes to management, not the individual devs.
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yamaci17
Member
no idea but i miss the times when movie games were at least decent platformers / adventure games
like shrek madagascar etc.
shuffleboard in madagascar has more care put into it
kiphalfton
Member
long ago I was in charge for developing a well know game worldwide , with multiple release in many consoles.
The team was basically me and some time one or two more guys for a week (programmers).
I program and graphic. So this huge aaa company paid the company I worked to finish the game . One day my manager forgot to turn his pc off for lunch break and I saw the contract , 4 engineers (each salary 9.800 us monthly etc). Well, I was paid less than 3.000 us
I quit after that, now I work at that aaa company
Pretty sure similar thing happened here, some one just took a bunch of money.
Billable rate is different than pay rate though...
CamHostage
Member
Eh, more often than not, you should blame the publishers, particularly if they have a long line of these same instant-garbage releases. There are cases where a developer over-promises on a bid or gets in over its head or just cannot deliver, so somebody in publishing probably has a different side of these types of stories, but the publisher sets the rates, sets the calendar, finds the developers in whatever corner of the world they are in, tosses them the brand and tells them the terms they must work under. And it's not like a Kong game needed to be rushed out for October, the publisher has the power to assess the product and assign more time or budget.
A developer who takes those kinds of jobs may look foolish for biting on a bad lead, but look around, who else is paying developers to make games these days? The busy days of "second party" development and franchise-based games is mostly over outside of mobile. Many publishers used to have an offshoot label (sometimes a budget line, like Activision Value or 2K's Global Star Software,) but those are mostly gone and publishers have greatly curtailed the number of games they actually publish. And the alternative is to go it alone as an inde, which this developer IguanaBee had done in the past (they even did a game published by Sony for Vita back in the day,) but that's an incredibly fraught field to play in (especially, oddly, for working studios with active payrolls and a business model which used to work before publishing contracts dried up) and it could all end there very easily. A guaranteed paycheck may sometimes be your only choice if you don't want to close the doors, even though the project may stink so bad that it'll lead to closure anyway.
This is a bad sign for IguanaBee if they took this job out of desperation (and even though GameMill has a shovelware rep, them shitting this out makes one wonder if they're on a precipice as well,) and not many people will cry if this kills either one. However, both had better products in the past, even with each other. Their previous title was the 2020 GI Joe Operation Blackout PvP shooter, which isn't good either but is clearly more ambitious and accomplished.
