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TITANFALL | 2 Multiplayer Previews
- Thread starter Tokubetsu
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PS4. A game with this level of movement would be a nightmare for me against M+KB players.
SonicAaron
Member
That kind of nonsense is why I won't buy.
Reminds me of marathon lightweight commando - from the same dev team that ruined call of duty.
I just can't imagine a scenario now, although I'm sure it exists, where a dev allows a sub par game to be reviewed early when they could easily hold off and capitalize on consumer ignorance.
Has that happened to any high profile games recently?
Gnome Scat
Member
Only 9? Well that's not too bad considering we get a real campaign this time around. Also the DLC will be free so no big deal.Launch day map lineup:
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Yeah, I was doom and gloom during the alpha, but I'm def back in. Looks like a great package overall.
Think I'll hold off until PS4 Pro Launch day though. BF1 is more than keeping me busy right now.
Think I'll hold off until PS4 Pro Launch day though. BF1 is more than keeping me busy right now.
Getting PS4, with a possible double dip on PC later if I just can't get a handle on the control scheme on a controller, gonna give it a real try though.
Yeah, I'm sorta in the same boat. I held my own in the first game, but it could be rough, especially later in the games life. Added bonus of there being a lot of new players who may not have ever tried Titanfall on PS4, too. Hoping the playerbase sticks around, I really want this to do well if it's as good as it looks and the team is taking feedback as well as it looks like they have been.
Yeah, I'm sorta in the same boat. I held my own in the first game, but it could be rough, especially later in the games life. Added bonus of there being a lot of new players who may not have ever tried Titanfall on PS4, too. Hoping the playerbase sticks around, I really want this to do well if it's as good as it looks and the team is taking feedback as well as it looks like they have been.
I really don't know. I put about 500 hours on the Xbox One version of Tf1, but I want to play this one on my PC as I just got a Blade Stealth+Core+1070. The issue is I don't know how much I can compete with a controller, and I'd rather not fool around with a KB+M.
PS4 transitioning into Pro
Anyone know what the ability is called where you slow down time while ADSing during wall runs?
barneystuta83
Member
How easy (or difficult) will the Pro Pilot movement be on a controller?
I know not as easy as A PC keyboard and mouse, but is it possible to do some of the things FrothyOmen was showing off?
I know not as easy as A PC keyboard and mouse, but is it possible to do some of the things FrothyOmen was showing off?
The Xtortionist
Member
Bumper Jumper and Evolved control schemes allow you to do some crazy shit on controller.
PC.
I tried playing the PS4 beta but it took me a while to get accustomed to controlling a game of that speed with a controller. I ended up getting used to it and doing really well for a few matches but I still felt uncomfortable. Realized Destiny is my limit for movement speed on a controller after this beta and the Black Ops 3 one a while back so I'm just going back to PC.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I can't see myself playing a game like this on console for a long length of time. I tried the beta and controllers just feel clunky compared to KBM.
Got the PS4 and PC versions all ready to go. Got friends that intend to play on both so I double dipped, hah. It'll be nice to switch between the two though.
While I appreciate complexity of gameplay systems, why have this? Why have to slide and jump when regular bunny hopping without the slide was enough in R1? Why not just retain the momentum if you jump the moment your feet hit the ground without the need to hold an extra input? I'm gonna play on PC so I might do alright but I can't imagine this won't give a ton of console players cramps.
It's just so unecessary.
excaliburps
Press - MP1st.com
I don't think they are alienating fans. I mean, they tweaked a lot of stuff due to fan feedback, no? I gather, including a proper SP will work in its favor. That and the game's entry point not as daunting as the first.
Don't think that's going to be a problem based on the other maps.It definitely feels busy enough.
I'll share a lot more details tomorrow. Almost done with SP.
At launch? or as free DLC a few month down the line?
The latter I buy, TF1 post launch support was amazing and I expect the same here, but at launch? I doubt it based on what we've seen so far.
maybe excaliburps can shed some light on this if he can.
excaliburps
Press - MP1st.com
We're still under embargo (score, review, etc. Only thing that lifted is MP stuff this past Friday).
Game modes that are in MP:
Attrition
Amped Hardpoint
Last Titan Standing
Free for All
Bounty Hunt
Capture the Flag
Pilot vs Pilot
Coliseum
Variety
8v8 Variety
Private Match Beta
Man, that's a lot of modes already, no? Honestly, for maps and modes, I'm not that worried given Respawn has repeatedly said that all maps and modes will be free post-launch. It wouldn't surprise me if they have events or in-game stuff lined up the coming months after launch.
Ennosuke
Member
I could go with PS4 and PC, but because of my great time with TF1, I think I will pick the xbox one version. I recently do play a lot with my PS4, but I kind of can't aim with the dualshock. I could play the PC version with a xbox controller, but could be difficult to compete. Oh and I fear that the pc community could be dead quickly.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Launch day map lineup:
Some of those looks awfully similar to the campaign zones we have seen so far...
All these modes and only one of them Titan focused...
barneystuta83
Member
Great stuff. I've got an Elite Controller, so will make the most of that for sure
Another Q for all - what time is the Review Embargo up (it is tomorrow, isn't it?)
They say anything about the horde mode coming back? Crazy they wouldn't put it in there at launch.
That, and I've got Overwatch and BF1 as my mp games for ps4. On Xbox I just have Gears.
Xbox. I'm just too used to the controller from TF1.
That, and I've got Overwatch and BF1 as my mp games for ps4. On Xbox I just have Gears.
barneystuta83
Member
Nice one, thanks
This convinced me to pass on the game.
Will the Thrill
Banned
Well that's what a lot of game companies do for MP, use assets from other areas to help create other content. Probably just using similar textures and art that are based upon those single player levels.
OdysseusVA
Banned
makes sense
7DollarHagane
Banned
While I appreciate complexity of gameplay systems, why have this? Why have to slide and jump when regular bunny hopping without the slide was enough in R1? Why not just retain the momentum if you jump the moment your feet hit the ground without the need to hold an extra input? I'm gonna play on PC so I might do alright but I can't imagine this won't give a ton of console players cramps.
It's just so unecessary.
Why have any complex or challenging mechanics in a game? Why have wallrunning in titanfall 1? Why have active reloads or wallbouncing in gears? Why have fixed weapon spawns in quake?
It's part of the gameplay design. A challenging and rewarding way to move more quickly around the map.
It's absolutely baffling to me to see people turned off by the movement mechanics. That is key to this game along with the titan gameplay.
And this is nothing like marathon lightweight commando - this requires skill to accomplish, not just perks that enhance your character abilities.
It's nothing like that - it takes timing and accuracy with your movement to preserve momentum. It's easy to lose your momentum and basically be left hanging and slowed down if done wrong.
You can still sprint and not be penalized for it, but there is a higher skill option as well.
Why have any complex or challenging mechanics in a game? Why have wallrunning in titanfall 1? Why have active reloads or wallbouncing in gears? Why have fixed weapon spawns in quake?
It's part of the gameplay design. A challenging and rewarding way to move more quickly around the map.
It's absolutely baffling to me to see people turned off by the movement mechanics. That is key to this game along with the titan gameplay.
And this is nothing like marathon lightweight commando - this requires skill to accomplish, not just perks that enhance your character abilities.
Those are the people that should stick to CoD if they want a basic shooter. Bunny hopping and whatnot takes a while to master, and once you do, it feels so satisfying. Glad they implemented movement that actually requires practice to master.
Why have any complex or challenging mechanics in a game? Why have wallrunning in titanfall 1? Why have active reloads or wallbouncing in gears? Why have fixed weapon spawns in quake?
It's part of the gameplay design. A challenging and rewarding way to move more quickly around the map.
It's absolutely baffling to me to see people turned off by the movement mechanics. That is key to this game along with the titan gameplay.
And this is nothing like marathon lightweight commando - this requires skill to accomplish, not just perks that enhance your character abilities.
From how it's described, it feels a little too convoluted to pull off. If you could just maintain your momentum on the ground for a short while before having to jump back into a wall run before losing it, that would be better.
The fact that you're having to actively having to hit the crouch button mid-air and jump button at the right time seems a little much. It makes it feel like a sloppy exploit that Respawn didn't bother fixing and ended up calling it a feature.
This is coming from a guy that logged way too many hours on Tribes.
7DollarHagane
Banned
I mean - call of duty exists. Do they just want this to be call of duty? Because it's absolutely not. The best players will be wallrunning almost always and probably doing a lot more hipfiring than ADS.
I went back to titanfall 1 after the beta but not having the slide jump was such a bummer. I will probably double dip on this game because playing with a Mouse/KB looks so good, but I like playing on console because of the population. Maybe I should try one of those hori mouse/KB for PS4.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Yeah, I don't get the hate for the slide mechanic being used in conjunction with jumping. It's basically advanced bunnyhopping except much cooler and understandable imo. I think the game is going to do great and a lot of the changes people questioned are already showing the reasons why, even if they don't accept them as being good for the game.
7DollarHagane
Banned
It's not convoluted - while you're floating you hold crouch to "pre-load" a slide. When the slide starts, you jump again. It's easy to do in a straight line, changing direction makes it harder because you can't change direction once you have held B to start the slide, so you sacrifice some momentum to change direction.
Watch the first video on sliding first, that one i posted was the "pro level"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYu15tvaUeU
Air strafing is much more difficult and will be tough on a controller.
If you maintained momentum every time you jumped the game would be very floaty and you'd be sliding all over the place. Having control over it is better.
If for movement titanfall 1 was Tony Hawk, Titanfall 2 adds the manual to chain combos on the ground. Sure, it's more complex, but it opens up more possibilities for skillful play.
CaptainCook
Member
After playing some call of duty infinite warfare beta this can't come soon enough. What utter dog shit that game is in comparison
Ok lets clear something up real quick. Bunny hopping isn't what he is doing. He is slide hopping. Bunny hopping (quake hopping) is in the original game and could be maintained for long durations. It's been reduced in this game and replaced with slide hopping.Tinúviel;221140365 said:
The best way to go in order to move like that on console is to get an elite controller. Makes a huge difference to have jump on a back paddle. For example, i have jump on the left back paddle, and slide on the right back. Makes it so easy
According to most of the veterans that have been playing (frothyomen) the changes that have been made have benefited the game tremendously. They're all confident this game is going to be loved more than the original.
I don't think so. After watching all the vids it seems like they've struck a nice balance this time. A lot of people complained about the lack of variety in the first game. I also hate when a developer adds to much to the sequel. It doesn't seem like Respawn made this mistake though
Remember frothy is a veteran, and he's on PC. It takes time to learn to move like that.
But it's not. People were saying that about the bunnyhop and stim eject in the first game. It's not a mistake that you can do these things. And speaking about the bunnyhop.. the original game had practically nobody doing the right bunnyhop/wall bounces, especially on console. It was hard to do the proper bunny hop with a controller. Only the better players used the movement to the fullest.
Slide hopping is actually easier to pull off as long as you have the right control scheme/elite controller.
It looks dumb and seems unnecessary. Those are my issues with it. Like I said before, if there needs to be a hopping mechanic, just have a hopping mechanic. I don't see why sliding needs to be involved.
Sliding lets you build and keep momentum. Crouching mid air lets you slide instantly when touching the ground. It looks more like a bug than a feature. Maybe it shouldn't be possible.
7DollarHagane
Banned
The only trouble I had with slide hopping was changing direction. I felt like It was really easy to do in a straight line but turning i often lost momentum.
7DollarHagane
Banned
"looks dumb" is irrelevant to the gamplay and that's just your opinion. The sideways gun and sound effects are enough feedback to tell you you're sliding or preloading a slide.
It's not unnecessary because it adds depth to the game. Wallbouncing in gears looks totally unnatural and out of place but it's a key gameplay mechanic at higher levels.
Just like gears' advanced movement mechanics I detect a lot of salt from people who either don't want to or won't take the time to learn and instead get angry that other people can use these advanced methods against them in the game.
I don't think it's a bug, but i do agree with you. I would have been happier if they left true bunnyhopping in the game and added the slide as momentum.
it's no different with bunnyhopping. if you turn too much now you'll lose momentum or end up screwing up the next hop.
it's a matter of getting used to it and perfecting it.
I don't think hellomeow is one of those people though but there are tons of people like that. Especially in the first game, there were people that thought bunnyhopping and stim ejecting was unfair and an exploit when they're not. They're key components of the game
CaptainofIndustry
Member
PS4
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Why do you think it's a bug? They said upfront that sliding is meant maintain momentum. This was 100% intended by what they've said about sliding, just like bunnyhopping was 100% intended in TF1.
I think it looks awesome and why would it be unnecessary? What even defines unnecessary? Grappling hook is "unnecessary" but included because it's fun and adds a lot to the game. Bunnyhopping or slide hopping or whatever you want to call it, it's just one part about Titanfall that makes it great.
I'll have to see how it is at launch to determine whether slide is better than just hopping but I think it will be based on videos. High skill cap movement is important for the game imo.
Holy shit at the nitpicking over the controls/mechanics. I'm starting to believe that some people just want this game to fail. I get it, the Tech test week 1 was disappointing. Get over it.
Polygon expressed concern over the Pilot centric maps, but called the mechanics near perfect. And from the gameplay videos? I'd agree with them.
Polygon expressed concern over the Pilot centric maps, but called the mechanics near perfect. And from the gameplay videos? I'd agree with them.
Always-honest
Banned
PS Pro
7DollarHagane
Banned
There is some of that for sure. This game got branded as "worse than titanfall1" during the tech test and increasingly few people are clinging to that negativity. Glad they listened though and tuned things up and made some changes.
Some of it was just what limited content we could see though as well.