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Trailer: Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia Two Armies
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kyan_hexagon
Neo Member
I wonder if they'll bring this to the Switch at any point. I'd really like a Fire Emblem game for it and I don't want to carry around my 3DS anymore.
WrenchNinja
Member
"The pillars of modern warfare such as paired units and predictable archers have no place in Valentia"
Hahaha, yes. That's good.
Hahaha, yes. That's good.
blitzwolf215
Member
They are already making a Fire Emblem for the Switch and it is set to release next year.
kyan_hexagon
Neo Member
Right, I was just hoping for something sooner. I wish they would focus on the switch instead of splitting between the 3DS and the Switch. They fill the same niche and compete with each other.
The install base is much bigger on the 3DS and Nintendo can't keep up with the demand for the Switch (for now). So it makes sense that they'd still want release another entry from one of their popular IPs on that platform in the meantime.
Yes. CPU archers are going to be a nightmare... but then again, playable ones are going to be awesome. I hope.
I take it flying units are still weak to arrows?
I wish I didn't feel this exact same way, but I do.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
No pair up mechanics, heck yes. I'm also liking that the story takes perspective of two separate lords. Reminds me of FE7 and FE10.
Shifty1897
Member
I don't get the useless archer comments, Mozu and Takumi absolutely wrecked people in FE Fates.
And Takumi is still wrecking people in FE Heroes...
And Takumi is still wrecking people in FE Heroes...
Ryzaki009
Member
Yeah Takumi is a beast. Jeez.
Gai Murakumo
Member
Takumi is among the rare exceptions in Fire Emblem. He is almost too OP as a unit in general. Majority of the time archers are not that great and take quite a bit of time to train up properly.
SporeCrawler
Member
niles and nina are also pretty good.
strangely the game did not have any warriors which are also pretty good bow users imho
i raise you shinon. another OP unit.
They were a bit too OP in Fates... and by a bit I mean that in each route an archer was among the Top 5 units.
Gai Murakumo
Member
Oh I know Shinon is pretty OP too but there are many examples of the archers in Fire Emblem being not great to average.
I was going to mention him. Ike's whole squad was pretty overpowered in Radiant Dawn.
EDIT: It felt like going between hard mode during the Micaiah chapters to getting the invincibility leaf from 3D Land in the Ike chapters.
It's really well done. Glad this small title is still getting a firm push. To me it speaks volumes that Fire Emblem as a whole is growing and efforts are more serious at least in terms of marketing.
I think that's more a thing of gaiden. As archers had plenty of health to take hits and still counter attack.
Besides reverting to an older weapon triangle makes sure that archers are a bit more neutral.
I think that's more a thing of gaiden. As archers had plenty of health to take hits and still counter attack.
Besides reverting to an older weapon triangle makes sure that archers are a bit more neutral.
Neoleo2143
Member
Gaiden was pretty interesting in that there was an overworld map but you played both armies. Think of it like FE8 but you played both sides instead of one than FE10.
I think the addition that I like most is the time being made explicit for moving about the map. People had an issue with time being irrelevant to the games with world maps but that isn't an issue here.
Also this isn't in the trailer but FE has finally ripped off the Chariot System from Tactics Ogre for this game it seems.
Iriscomeback
Member
Looks like they're switching up the formula a bit. Archers will be deadly, and no more pairing.
A good change I think. Glad they still have a non-permadeath mode.
A good change I think. Glad they still have a non-permadeath mode.
Neoleo2143
Member
I am concerned that they haven't revealed the return of Lunatic Mode though. There's a hard mode which Gaiden Lacked but I still want the nonsense of Lunatic.
"The pillars of modern warfare such as paired units and predictable archers have no place in Valentia"
Haha
Also archers are traditionally pretty bad, yes. Even Takumi only ends up being "good" in FE:Fates due to their limited utility on enemy phase. Having them counterattack at point blank range should be interesting...
Haha
Also archers are traditionally pretty bad, yes. Even Takumi only ends up being "good" in FE:Fates due to their limited utility on enemy phase. Having them counterattack at point blank range should be interesting...
RampagingSoul
Member
I didn't mind how they did pair up in Fates since it fixed most of the issues I had with that mechanic in Awakening, but I don't mind it being gone. The thing about archers and their expanded range seems great, but I'm probably going to be more weary about enemy archers in my playthrough than I was in other FEs. It seems Phoenix Mode isn't in this game either, going off this video.
Sounds really great so far and I can't wait for this!
Sounds really great so far and I can't wait for this!
Gai Murakumo
Member
They have not stated if there is actual amiibo functionality at all. There is just the Alm and Celica amiibo you can buy.
Still no marriage/children to be seen.
I doubt that children were ever on the table for this game. You would have to completely rebalance the entire game for them, including the number of maps. I'm sure that couple endings will show up, even if you aren't explicitly trying to marry everyone. Fans have always liked those.
How are the DEF/RES stats on Gaiden archers?
Lord of Ostia
Member
Game looks like a good return to form for the series. Super excited for this one, looks way better than the previous series remakes.
Neoleo2143
Member
It has to live up to New Mystery which is an incredible remake with incredible content and some of the tightest design in the series.
Lord of Ostia
Member
It looks better than New Mystery to me, though I did like New Mystery. Shadow Dragon was such a dud though, they seem to be fleshing out the narrative and characters to modern FE standards, which is nice.
Astral Dog
Member
Nah it looks pretty ugly for the Switch.wont look good to new owners.
What we need is some HD FE love on the Switch
Lord of Ostia
Member
They've already announced that FE is in development for Switch, due in 2018. It's coming.
SliceSabre
Banned
Good archers? I'll believe it when I see it. Takumi is the only amazingarcher in the history of FE and that's because they made him overpowered in both Heroes and Fates.
RampagingSoul
Member
Shinon in the Tellius games was a really great archer. I'd say Rolf could be great, but you needed to level him up a lot.
Their defense and res were pretty low, so you couldn't really tank with them
Great offense, though
DecoReturns
Member
Looks really good.
IS likes to play around with the two army-separate story line aspect a lot.
RD
Sacred Stones
Fates (although I felt it was poorly done here)
IS likes to play around with the two army-separate story line aspect a lot.
RD
Sacred Stones
Fates (although I felt it was poorly done here)
Neoleo2143
Member
victreeb3l
Member
Game looks good but the cutscenes look really rough.
Neoleo2143
Member
I'm not a fan of this style of animation. Khara's a great studio but Awakening and Fates have some of the best realizations of CG characters for a Japanese artstyle because they didn't opt for a jerky sort of animation in 3D. That being said, the character designs have transitioned surprisingly well to 3D especially Celica who looks excellent.
It's actually closest to FE8. FE8 is probably the game most directly inspired by Gaiden.
victreeb3l
Member
It just feels low budget. I love the art style but the animation looks very stilted. Awkward movements. Sad to see considering Awakening and Fates (and even Heroes) had incredible CG cutscenes.