Electric Eye
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Announce it on the same day of a total eclipse. Fucking omens man.
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Trump to announce 'path forward' for US in Afghanistan
- Thread starter NyMartin90
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vacantseas
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Tomorrow night Trump becomes presidential!
Rhomega Beta
Member
So we're going to be sending in 20 foot tall men?
it's always popular
just look at how many people here think invading syria and/or north korea makes sense
Plan they are using against ISIS is basically Obama's plan he never had time to execute, they just reworded it here and there. Basically.
Proxy wars are so neat, aren't they?
ShadowSwordmaster
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You mean the amount of people that were against his Syria strike?
Edit: It was close to 50/50 in some polls.
BoogieWoogie
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The hell is even our objective in Afghanistan at this point? What constitutes "winning"?
Most people also probably think it's "Just get in there and kill the bad guys". It's easy to not think about it more when it happens far away.
Electric Eye
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It's not going to be popular. He's going to validate the fears on the alt right that the WH has been taken over by the military ((((((GLOBALISTS)))))) and why it is they are purging the economic/nationalist populists like Bannon. No one wants their kids in that shithole it's a lost cause. Erik Prince can have it let his soldiers of fortune die there at least for them it was a choice of employment.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Waiting for that East India Company that Blackwater wants to set up.
AcademicSaucer
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Hopefully it will include stop enabling pedophiles
djplaeskool
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Indeed. So long as it sits at the confluence of the Middle East, South Asia, and Russia, I can't see it being anything but a trash fire with its current actors.
aeolist is a concern troll and just posts a lot of nonsense. Don't get baited into something with him
Hmm, the guy who said that the US should have taken the oil in Iraq, is going to announce a new American strategy for Afghanistan.
"Guys, after careful consideration with my advisors and generals. We have decided that from now on..."
*11 minutes later*
"...Afghanistan will pay in tribute to the United States, 33% of all profits gained from their natural resources. Make America Great Again! #Winning."
"Guys, after careful consideration with my advisors and generals. We have decided that from now on..."
*11 minutes later*
"...Afghanistan will pay in tribute to the United States, 33% of all profits gained from their natural resources. Make America Great Again! #Winning."
Did you quote the right person? The poster he was quoting didn't say anything particularly egregious as far as I can tell. War had traditionally been pretty popular in American culture. Its very sense of self stems from three major wars.
Username1198
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Yup it's gonna save us tremendous amounts of money, tremendous amounts. And Erik says he won't kill anyone! He's a good guy! The best! The Afghans are gonna have so much freedom! Their gonna get tired of the freedom it's gonna be so much!
Definitely seems like he's either throwing Ryan a lifeline to get out of some of it or spitting in his face. I can't tell which, but I'm leaning toward the latter.
uh we don't have a conscript army, they all "chose" it as a profession as well (as much as anyone not in the ruling class can choose their profession in our society).
and saying "let prince have afghanistan" is appalling when he'll be murdering and brutalizing those people in our name, paid by our tax money. privatization is entirely about lowering standards and funneling public money into private hands, which makes this a change from incredibly awful to somehow even worse.
Or Trumps handlers just couldn't find new coloring books for that evening so they scheduled something for Donny to do instead of letting him watch CNN again?
In theory sure, but in practice they wont.
I didn't quote the wrong person, no. What I said stands, and anyone who actually followed what happened with the Syria strikes knows what I'm talking about. aeolist is just full of shit, like most of the time.
Escape Goat
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I can't speak as to that poster generally, but I certainly don't see how he said anything wrong in this thread.
American culture being fairly martially oriented doesn't mean Americans have to be totally on board with any military action.
Afghan Security Forces can conduct themselves without American assistance.
Escape Goat
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which will never happen. People are so poor that lots of people can be bought.
Then you're probably not really reading what he's saying. 'It will always be popular.' Uh, no, it won't. His strikes on Syria weren't popular, and pretty much no war that Trump gets us into will be hugely popular, because it's not something large groups of people want and he's burned any kind of face with those who are already against him to rally them to his side in that event.
NyMartin90
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Stability and confidence that their government can maintain their own sovereignty after we leave. If we leave Afghanistan we don't want it to quickly fall over like South Vietnam or in some ways Iraq losing 40-50% of its territory to ISIS from 2011-present (and still fighting to retake land right now. I remember news reports about a possible ISIS siege of Baghdad when they were still expanding.) and then become a haven for future terrorist groups.
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He seems to be saying military responses in general are popular with a bit of hyperbole. I do think there's a good chance that Trump would not be able to start a popular war, if by popular you are narrowly defining it to mean more supporting it than against it, but I also think that's mostly because people dislike Trump. That's saying far more about Trump than about America's attitude towards war more generally.
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He seems to be saying military responses in general are popular with a bit of hyperbole. I do think there's a good chance that Trump would not be able to start a popular war, if by popular you are narrowly defining it to mean more supporting it than against it, but I also think that's mostly because people dislike Trump. That's saying far more about Trump than about America's attitude towards war more generally.
He'll stick to a script and look miserable doing it. Then during his rally the next day he'll spout some crazy stuff, call the plan "tremendous, the best plan we've ever had for Afganistan," say it will "end the war, something Obama could never do," imply that we should take the country's natural resources, and of course claim there was violence on both sides in Charlottesville and that only he was brave enough to state that. And probably something about the border wall.
So... never winning or leaving?
Afghanistan is so shredded after Russia and US took turns on it, Russia still in play by making it proxy war.
100% true
most of the democrats who criticized the syria strikes were more upset with the specifics and implementation than they were with the president unilaterally exercising military force against a sovereign country with whom we are not at war and who never attacked us.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Actually that's what Syria was suppose to be but America (until trump) was willing to avoid it.
Aaron Strife
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Anyone who voted for Trump because Hillary was a warmonger was a goddamn fucking stupid moron
even sanders wasn't really non-interventionist
it's basically impossible for a solidly anti-war individual to reach high office in this country
Yes, I am narrowly defining popular as 'being popular.'
EDIT: And lol, right after you post:
This is who you are trying to defend, man.
when you strip context from relative statements you can make anything true!
When you post bullshit and people call it out as bullshit, it doesn't stop being bullshit
hmu if u ever want to have a real conversation about the points i make instead of just shitting on me and calling it a day
I think you'll find there are more senses of the word popular than the something being the most well liked. Otherwise "the most popular" would be a pretty weird construction.
Already made the points I needed to above, none of which you dispute, because you can't, and it's really not worth getting into any real dispute with you since you'd made yourself insanely obvious many times. So, yeah, I can 'call it a day.'
Generally, when I use the word 'popular' I use it to mean 'popular.' So when I say it won't be popular, I mean just that. It wouldn't be a popular thing. Not sure how or why you want to keep muddying that, but yes, when I say something won't be popular, I mean that it won't be popular. A war by Trump won't be popular for a variety of the reasons I posted above.
I mean you're using a specific sense of popular. He's using another. Yours is not more correct or anything. Not that yours is wrong either, just the fact that you restrict yourself to only using one sense of a word that is pretty commonly used in different senses doesn't really say anything about anyone else being wrong.
I don't think you're wrong on that last sentence, I've already agreed with you on this front.
I also don't think that other poster is wrong. I think you're saying fundamentally different things.
Maybe changing the context will make this a bit clearer. Would you say Pokemon was popular in the 90s?
Deuce Deuce
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I think you're right about this. Probably what he meant about the Trump presidency being "over".