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Twilight Princess is definitively better than Wind Waker
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Nah.
While there are no bad 3D Zelda's, Twilight Princess is my least favourite. It has some great moments, but it's clear from the start that Aonuma and his team were a bit too influenced by fan reactions who wanted a Ocarina of Time 2. Feels a bit familiar.
It does have Midna though, she's cool.
While there are no bad 3D Zelda's, Twilight Princess is my least favourite. It has some great moments, but it's clear from the start that Aonuma and his team were a bit too influenced by fan reactions who wanted a Ocarina of Time 2. Feels a bit familiar.
It does have Midna though, she's cool.
I'll also mention it feels a lot better in twilight princess to experiment with the items in combat. It's really fun popping out the spinner every other encounter (even if it does halfway to nothing it's actually quite safe and has benefits over ice and snow, etc.), or to stun every enemy on the screen with the gale boomerang. When it comes to heavy weapons, the hammer feels so dull in comparison to the ball and chain.
I will say that I wish wolf form interactions with other characters were a bit more fleshed out. I think there's only two humans in the game that will still have conversations.
I will say that I wish wolf form interactions with other characters were a bit more fleshed out. I think there's only two humans in the game that will still have conversations.
DecoReturns
Member
I actually find Link Between Worlds to be the least original game in the series.
Generally, I think:
Bloated introduction.
Horrendous pacing in the first arc.
Limp Zelda/Ganondorf usage.
General "wannabe OoT" coming off WW's fresh style. Exacerbated by the above.
Empty, boring overworld.
Versus:
Midna.
Glorious dungeons.
Great music.
Sometimes that OoT/aLttP calling back hits well.
ScientificPizza
Banned
This is the worst take I've ever heard in my life
TP dungeons are better tho but WW's are the worst 3D dungeons 
Even people who prefer Wind Waker will at least usually admit it has the weakest dungeons in the series.
OriginalPoe
Banned
I love Twilight Princess. I really like that it feels like a sequel to OoT, a lot of people don't.
But, yeah, I agree with you OP.
But, yeah, I agree with you OP.
I'm fine with this. I want the Wind Waker revisionist history to end. This game was reviled after it came out. Empty ocean with tedious boat/wind controls, lame dungeons, worst fetch quest ever, Tingle, braindead easy, dull final chapter.
People fell in love with the timeless art style and convinced themselves this was one of the greats long after the consensus was NO, it wasnt. And this is coming from someone who generally liked WW but was generally disappointed after OOT and MM blew me away.
Salty Hippo
Member
Correct.
Astral Dog
Member
Dreadfull pacing,horrible graphics (it looks worse than the 3DS remakes imo) underwhelming soundtrack,mediocre plot (though you will love it if you like Midna) very easy difficulty,etc.
toastyToast
Member
The wolf bullshit is worse than the boat
Pops Maellard
Member
They're not as bad as Skyward Sword honestly. Definitely bad, but there is worse.
PROh1bited
Banned
Wind Waker is better than TP in every aspect. EVERY SINGLE WAY IMAGINABLE.
I think BotW needs its aLttP. Tbh. I'm more okay with what they did with BotW than I feared but I do think it needs to fold in aLttP-SS again into the new beginning.Twilight Princess is one of the best games of all time.
I really want another Zelda game like that one.
Breath of the Wild has me concerned for the future of the series. I don't understand the fanfare for that game. I really want a traditional Zelda again...
Or just do a traditional Zelda next. That'd be cool too.
deletethis123
Banned
Okay I know this isn't a player on this conversation but Stone Tower or Ancient Cistern totally destroy Yeti Mansion.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
WW Pros:
+Art style
+Originality
+Atmosphere
+Music
+Characters
WW Cons:
-Bad/rushed second half
-Lots of truly empty space
-Dungeons are so-so (comparatively to the rest of the series)
TP Pros:
+Play as adult Link for entire game/great Link design
+Amazing dungeon design, especially the final dungeon
+While still empty, better overworld than WW
+Great set of tools
TP Cons:
-Uninteresting characters, especially
and Zelda for who they are
-Extremely ugly NPCs
-Terribly slow beginning
-Wolf Link
-Twilight realm (music, enemy design, weird grain filter, everything)
-World feels very segmented, even more so than normal
-Music isn't that good
Overall I think they're pretty close in quality to each other. I prefer Wind Waker for everything but dungeons, but dungeons are such a huge part of Zelda games (outside of BotW which is... a different beast) that TP's great dungeon design really does balance them out.
+Art style
+Originality
+Atmosphere
+Music
+Characters
WW Cons:
-Bad/rushed second half
-Lots of truly empty space
-Dungeons are so-so (comparatively to the rest of the series)
TP Pros:
+Play as adult Link for entire game/great Link design
+Amazing dungeon design, especially the final dungeon
+While still empty, better overworld than WW
+Great set of tools
TP Cons:
-Uninteresting characters, especially
Ganondorf
-Extremely ugly NPCs
-Terribly slow beginning
-Wolf Link
-Twilight realm (music, enemy design, weird grain filter, everything)
-World feels very segmented, even more so than normal
-Music isn't that good
Overall I think they're pretty close in quality to each other. I prefer Wind Waker for everything but dungeons, but dungeons are such a huge part of Zelda games (outside of BotW which is... a different beast) that TP's great dungeon design really does balance them out.
Really? I loved Wolf Link. Of course I wish they had done more with it, but I thought Wolf Link was a lot of fun and it made me love Twilight Princess' Link and its world much more.
Skyward Sword has Ancient Cistern, so that alone puts it above WW. Actually I'd say all of the dungeons are decent to good outside of the fire dungeons.
Rickenslacker
Banned
You don't have to do any tedious wind conducting with the wolf though. In fact you don't have to do any gimmicky code input instrumentals, so just killing off that terrible Zelda fad wins its favour in my book.
You seriously going to argue that WW dungeons are better than TP dungeons?
paperspace
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-Mutsukki-
Member
Nnooooopeeeee. Wind Waker, aside from being a more aesthetically rich experience, is also the better game overall.
- I mean, you just came to post after Snowpeak, which really is a great dungeon. But I clearly remember thinking that the first dungeon of the game was one of the worst in the series.
- Again, Snowpeak. Wind Waker has some really fun boss fights... but seeing as you have yet to finish both games I think you're clouded in your judgement
- This is simply untrue. In fact, nothing in Twilight Princess rewards your exploration at all. It's a barren wasteland with basically nothign to do, an overextended Hyrule Field. "But water" and yet there was more to discover in all that water and island that there is in the entire Hyrule Field.
- Last point.... you might wanna check this thread again after finishing, lol.
What people see in WW is a sense of adventure and wonder, of exploring the unknown and spend a whole time in silence while trying to discover what the next island brings. TP has none of that at all, it's also a game that tries to be another one but kinda fails.
And honestly you really should be finishing both games before you come to judge which one has the better... well, anything. It makes no sense when you dropped one journey and are in the middle of another
LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE
- I mean, you just came to post after Snowpeak, which really is a great dungeon. But I clearly remember thinking that the first dungeon of the game was one of the worst in the series.
- Again, Snowpeak. Wind Waker has some really fun boss fights... but seeing as you have yet to finish both games I think you're clouded in your judgement
- This is simply untrue. In fact, nothing in Twilight Princess rewards your exploration at all. It's a barren wasteland with basically nothign to do, an overextended Hyrule Field. "But water" and yet there was more to discover in all that water and island that there is in the entire Hyrule Field.
- Last point.... you might wanna check this thread again after finishing, lol.
What people see in WW is a sense of adventure and wonder, of exploring the unknown and spend a whole time in silence while trying to discover what the next island brings. TP has none of that at all, it's also a game that tries to be another one but kinda fails.
And honestly you really should be finishing both games before you come to judge which one has the better... well, anything. It makes no sense when you dropped one journey and are in the middle of another
LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE
TheRedSnifit
Member
This isn't surprising, Wind Waker is the worst 3D Zelda on consoles.
Haven't started it, not a whole lot of time on my hands recently and some things I've heard aren't terribly great.
I thought the forest temple was really good, to be honest. I like the use of the wind gimmick earlier than I was expecting it, and the gale boomerang had a really cool puzzle that was used again in the boss fight, made you feel like you were God.
Twilight Princess is one of the best games of all time.
I really want another Zelda game like that one.
Breath of the Wild has me concerned for the future of the series. I don't understand the fanfare for that game. I really want a traditional Zelda again...
What is a traditional Zelda? In many ways, BOTW is the 3D Zelda game that most resembles the original Legend of Zelda and ALTTP.
Mattakuevan
Member
Noooooo. No.
It's not. /opinion.
It's not. /opinion.
Had some great dungeons though.
What parts of the beginning did they change for TP HD?
Which if culminated as a totality of time spent staring at water still pales in comparison to the fetch quest bug hunting intro to TP which I am still working on to this day /s
Seriously tho that alone has prevented me from playing through a second time
Astral Dog
Member
Ww had its flaws,but both TP and SS have them as well,they just hide them more subtlety.
WW had ok dungeons,charming characters,an amazing soundtrack,sense of discovery,decent combat (for 3D Zelda although useless until the HD remaster) beautiful graphics,even great reviews.
There is a reason why Nintendo has continued the Wind Waker legacy in terms of aesthetics and not Twilight Princess
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
...howling?
Not quite. Dungeons are a lot better in TP but other than that WW is the better game.
Elfforkusu
Member
OP is right. Gameplay wins.
Gamecube version is the definitive version, though. Shame about the wiiU horse controls...
Gamecube version is the definitive version, though. Shame about the wiiU horse controls...
I'll give you the dungeons being better in TP, but overall I enjoyed Wind Waker so much more. The grimdark of TP didn't really work for me and I find WW to be much more charming, and I was one of the people who was initially disappointed with the artstyle! Best writing for the characters in the series imo, and dual katana Ganondorf is objectively his best incarnation. (Granted I haven't finished BotW yet, but I can't see how that could change considering he's just been an ominous evil cloud for the last 60 hours).
NumberThree
Member
Wind Waker > Twilight Princess > Skyward Sword
Wind Waker is the only one I see myself replaying.
Wind Waker is the only one I see myself replaying.
Leafhopper
Banned
The wolf howling was the instrument. Granted it was only used for combat upgrades but, it was the games instrument. You are right though it's not like the Wind Waker or the Ocarina and not used to like get around etc.
They shortened the wolf segments. I replayed the Wii version about a year before the HD version, and I actually didn't find them as tedious sans the lanayru one.
Pops Maellard
Member
I probably should rescind the dungeon argument, it's been like 10 years since I last played Wind Waker to completion and 12 year old me is not a rational judge of dungeon quality.
If the consensus is that WW has the worst dungeons, that's fair. I just genuinely didn't enjoy any part of Twilight Princess, at all.
GiantBreadbug
Member
They're both equally good
And Skyward Sword is as good as them, too
Get over it y'all
And Skyward Sword is as good as them, too
Get over it y'all
ScientificPizza
Banned
this is true. the final encounter isn't the most difficult but it's cool af
Truth about Wind Waker is that while art style and charm of it nothing else really stand out aside from that. I'm not one of those guys who hates the sailing and can't say I had a problem with the Tri-Force hunt in the GameCube version. But dungeon wise, main quest wise, hell most things are just above average at best. The side quests are cool, but that's the best aspect of it gameplay wise. I only put it above Skyward Sword 3D Zelda wise.
Twilight Princess' main problems are it's emptiness when it comes to having barely any side content, and the atrocious tutorial section. But once you are out of the tutorial it's clearly a better game than WW, and was the best 3D Zelda after the N64 games up until Breath Of The Wild.
Both TP and WW are criminally easy, though. A problem I'm glad wasn't an issue with Wild.
Twilight Princess' main problems are it's emptiness when it comes to having barely any side content, and the atrocious tutorial section. But once you are out of the tutorial it's clearly a better game than WW, and was the best 3D Zelda after the N64 games up until Breath Of The Wild.
Both TP and WW are criminally easy, though. A problem I'm glad wasn't an issue with Wild.
Basileus777
Member
If we're comparing it to the Gamecube WW this may be true, though both games are pretty mediocre.
PROh1bited
Banned
Rickenslacker
Banned
It's howling DDR that you do 6 times in the entire game for techniques, not something put into your toolset for you to constantly use.
Even if you want to count it as one, the fact that it's made almost non-existent is a blessing.