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Ubisoft Explains Wii U Hardware Power Confusion, Talks Launch Titles And Market Tests
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AceBandage
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Truth101 said:
abstract alien
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You know, I only own like seven movies on DVD, and this is one of them. True story.AceBandage said:
AceBandage
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BurntPork said:
But is 50% just the CPU or the GPU?
Is it from the underclocked dev kits or the full clocked dev kits?
Is it from early kits or the newest ones that will be out in a month?
abstract alien
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Lmao
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mentalfloss
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Vic said:
such and such powers
AceBandage
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Jonm1010 said:
Higher number = higher clock speed, for the most part.
The Wii U can have a GPU based on just about anything in that line, but with different clock speeds and memory, depending on their need.
We can expect a 3-6x increase over the 360/PS3.
Gahiggidy said:
I wouldn't mind seeing Yves playing Reggie in Killer Freaks.
SneakyStephan
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Vic said:
It's more than likely from the underclocked kits, but we still don't even know how much it was underclocked. Also, they were more than likely comparing total system GFLOPs. Given that and the fact that the console is ridiculously tiny compared to current machines, I think that RV770 is totally out of the question. Either RV730 or (possibly underclocked) RV740 are the only possibilities, imo, unless later kits move to a newer GPU.AceBandage said:
Grampa Simpson
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Go here:Jonm1010 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...essing_units#Radeon_R700_.28HD_4xxx.29_series
Everyone should go here really if they want some basic clue-age.
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Code Transistors Die Size Memory Clock rate Fillrate Memory TDP3 Features4 /
Model Year name Fab (nm) (Million) (mm2) Bus interface (MiB) Core (MHz) Memory Config core1 Pixel Texture Bandwidth Bus type Bus width GFLOPS (W) Notes
(MHz) (GP/s) (GT/s) (GB/s) (bit)
Radeon HD PCIe 2.0 x16, PCIe 2.0 x1[26], AGP 512 575 500 2.3 4.6 6.4 DDR2 92 20
4350[25] 8x[27], PCI[28]
Radeon HD Sep 30, 2008 RV710 55 242 73 256 600 80:8:4 DDR2 64
4550[29] PCIe 2.0 x16 512 600 800 2.4 4.8 12.8 GDDR3 96 25
1024
Radeon HD RV730 256 650 900 5.2 20.8 28.8 128
4650[30] PRO 512 600 500 4.8 19.2[31] 16 GDDR4 64 384/416[31] 48
Sep 10, 2008 55 514 146 PCIe 2.0 x16, AGP 8x 1024 700 320:32:8 22.4[31] DDR2
Radeon HD 512 1100 35.2 GDDR3
4670[29][30] RV730 XT 1024 750 900 6 24[31] 28.8 128 480[31] 59
1000 32[31]
Radeon HD Jun 8, 2009 RV770 55 956 256 PCIe 2.0 x16 512 700 9002 640:32:8 5.6 22.4 57.6 GDDR52 128 896 110
4730[32] CE 750[33] 6 24
Radeon HD Apr 28, 2009 RV740 40 826[36] 137 PCIe 2.0 x16 512 750[34][35] 8002 640:32:16 12 24 51.2[34][35] GDDR52 128[37] 960[34][35] 80
4770[34][35]
Radeon HD Oct 21, RV770 LE 55 956[40] 256 PCIe 2.0 x16 512 575 900 640:32:16 9.2 18.4[31] 57.6[31] GDDR3 256 736[31] 95
4830[38] 2008[39] 1024 GDDR4
RV770 512 GDDR3
Radeon HD 4850 Jun 25, 2008 PRO 55 956[40] 256 PCIe 2.0 x16 1024 625 993 800:40:16 10 25[31] 63.55[31] GDDR4 256 1000[31] 110
2048
Radeon HD 4860 Sep 9, 2009 RV790 GT 55 959 282 PCIe 2.0 x16 512 700 750 640:32:16 11.2 22.4 96 GDDR52 256 896 130
1024
Jun 25, 512
Radeon HD 4870 2008[41] RV770 XT 55 956[40] 256 PCIe 2.0 x16 1024 750 9002 800:40:16 12 30[31] 115.2[31] GDDR52 256 1200[31] 150
2048
Radeon HD 4890 Apr 2, RV790 XT 55[43] 959 282 PCIe 2.0 x16 1024 850 9752[44] 800:40:16 13.6 34 124.8 GDDR52 256 1360 190
2009[42] 2048
Radeon HD 4850 X2 Nov 7, 2008 512 *2 625 *2 993 2 * 10 2 * 25 2 * 63.55 GDDR3 2000 250
R700 55 956 *2 256 *2 PCIe 2.0 x16 (PCIe bridge) 1024 *2 800:40:16 2 * 256 Dual GPU on
Radeon HD 4870 X2 Aug 12, 2008 1024 *2 750 *2 9002 *2 2 * 12 2 * 30[31] 2 * 115.2[31] GDDR52 2400[31] 286 single PCB
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* 1 Unified Shaders (Vertex shader/Geometry shader/Pixel shader) : Texture mapping unit : Render Output unit
* 2 The effective data transfer rate of GDDR5 is quadruple its nominal clock, instead of double as with other DDR memory.
* 3 The TDP is reference design TDP values from AMD. Different non-reference board designs from vendors may lead to slight variations in actual TDP.
* 4 All models feature UVD2 & PowerPlay.Anasui Kishibe
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Killer Freaks looks pretty good, at least its got humour. I want freaks humping each other while Ezio's on TV or something
From what I've read current dev kits are only using off the shelf parts and not w.e custom parts Nintendo has in mind. They have also been underclocked due to heat issues apparently. Both counts would explain why 3rd party devs dont seem to have any specifics yet. Regardless I think the RV740 is the most likely candidate.BurntPork said:
Thing is, I doubt that Nintendo would go all the way down to 32nm. The Wii is still 90nm, and the Wii U's CPU is 45nm. :/ And even at 32nm, it would still be pretty hot and power-hungry for a system that's barely 50% larger than the Wii.antonz said:
Edit: But I do agree that RV740 is very likely.
abstract alien
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The least they could do if they are gonna half ass a game is half ass the price of it...since its, you know, just a test.TwinIonEngines said:
perfectchaos007
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Corto's ban did not last long
AceBandage
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Medalion said:
New kits going out soon. Though, they likely won't be the final kits.
They're suppose to have better hardware and show the online of the Wii U.
abstract alien
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I tried my best, but cowboy ken was too much for me. All I kept seeing was Ken Ultra trollface :^(Gravijah said:
AceBandage said:
I like your optimism, but I think they will shoot for 2-4x simply because they don't need to do more, and their box isn't going to hold over 120W of power.(at least, not without some sort of vapor cooling chamber, and I really don't think that makes any sense... it's going to be more powerful, the 50% rumor is based on estimations from a random dev who was using early dev kits that were under-clocked off the shelf parts, so I feel confident that 100% is the bare minimum for Wii U, in this vague power gauge we are using.)
The hardware they are using in the early dev kits were off the shelf means a lot, I mean look at pc GPU's vs their Console counterparts, sure a modified "Xenos" which has some features of the R520chip in the 360 might be half the Gflops of the 1900xt R580 chip, but the onboard 10mb eDRAM helps it seem much more powerful than the off the shelf cards.
The reason I bring that up, is that the 360 has a modified GPU from an AMD line, and it's quite a bit different then the original card it was based on (something in the x800 line) but Nintendo has their own GPU team that will work with AMD much more closely, so modifying a R770 into a Wii U case won't be a simple down-clock and smaller chip process, that will only be part of it. What will go in the Wii U won't resemble my 4870 at all... It might out perform it in some operations, but I don't think it will be overall faster. I believe Wii U will be roughly 3x faster then PS360, but will have features that the others might be able to list on a chart but only allow the devs to pick and choose a few, while the Wii U can do all of those features at once.
I also am not worried about the RAM of the system in the least, with the dof we saw in those tech demos, it clearly has more ram than PS360, and even if it ends up only being 1GB system memory, that should allow it to have 720p versions of PS4/720 titles, without much difference in visual presentation. I think people expecting a big leap from sony and microsoft are off. Truth is they don't need to have a power hungry console to compete next generation, and if the PS4 is over 8x as powerful than the PS360, I would be extremely surprised, unless it came out in 2015, and even then I don't see it being quite as powerful as people seem to want.
AceBandage
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So, enough power talk. We've had like 20 threads on it.
I'm more interested in whether AC for the Wii U is a new game or or what.
It apparently has its own team and all. I think Nintendo laid some serious coin on Ubisoft's desk to get some of this stuff.
I'm more interested in whether AC for the Wii U is a new game or or what.
It apparently has its own team and all. I think Nintendo laid some serious coin on Ubisoft's desk to get some of this stuff.
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to AC, I hope they let you use the screen to pick pocket/pick a lock, while you have to watch the guards from the tv screen, so there is that feel of immersion.
I'm also hoping they put a bit more power onto better cloth physics, I really like the AC series for that, but of all the things that have improved, I think that would make the biggest impact to how games look.
I'm also hoping they put a bit more power onto better cloth physics, I really like the AC series for that, but of all the things that have improved, I think that would make the biggest impact to how games look.
AceBandage
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BurntPork said:
At one point, they said it was a new game in the AC universe, so who knows.
bgassassin
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AceBandage said:
I was about just about to make a thread talking more about the CPU too.
If I posted it here, I don't think it would be very on topic.AceBandage
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bgassassin said:I was about just about to make a thread talking more about the CPU too.
Unless it contains actual new info, I just don't know if it would be worth it.
I mean, holy crap. There's like 5 new Wii U topics every day, and none have really said anything that we didn't hear from the first leak.
But hey, it's a free board. You can post whatever you want.
Anasui Kishibe
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AceBandage said:
I really, really doubt it's AC3
I have to admit, an exclusive AC would be nice. Could even be a system seller. I just don't see them doing that, though. The fact that Lost Legacy (the 3DS game iirc) is pretty much vaporware at this point doesn't give me confidence either.AceBandage said:
100x or bustUSC-fan said:
bgassassin
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AceBandage said:Unless it contains actual new info, I just don't know if it would be worth it.
I mean, holy crap. There's like 5 new Wii U topics every day, and none have really said anything that we didn't hear from the first leak.
But hey, it's a free board. You can post whatever you want.
It was consolidating some of the previous CPU thread and adding more for us to try to get a better idea of what it might be. It could be used as a foundation for an acutal Wii U tech thread if the mods are interested.