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US plans new sanctions for North Korea
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RPGCrazied
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Why did that require the full senate to show up in person? Not sure sanity is the word I'd use.
wesleyshark
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NK doesn't give a shit... They're going to do another test regardless of what sanctions we place on them.
Merchandise
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Sanctions really are useless though. 90% of DPRK's trade is with China, so until China really goes gung ho with its own sanctions, petty little US/EU sanctions won't do anything.
EchoChamber
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Sanctions in form of bombs I guess.
SmackDaddy
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This makes me less nervous.
Targeted sanctions to cut off the leadership slush fund has worked in the past.
That happened two weeks ago.
They don't. Sanctions are more a political message than something that actually achieves results. What happens is that the poor in a country that suffers from sanctions will bear the burdens while the elites are relatively unaffected. Offhand, the only time that I can think of sanctions working was the arms embargo against Iraq. The Iraqi Army was unable to rearm after the Gulf War so they fell apart quite easily during the American invasion.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
*alarm clock* China rejected North Korean coal and bought ours instead. Does that count?
I know, I'm just echoing a GOP talking point used nonstop against Obama.
Into the Light
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For real.
Damn it, no wonder I'm fired.
Smiles and Cries
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We penalize companies or countries that do business with North Korea.
Goro Majima
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Kinda thought we've had sanctions on them in 100 different ways already?
They do like 85% of their business through China. Seems like they're the only ones who can actually put economic pressure on them.
They do like 85% of their business through China. Seems like they're the only ones who can actually put economic pressure on them.
They have to get china onboard. That won't happen by putting missile defense systems on their door step though.
The top export destinations of North Korea are China ($2.34B), India ($97.8M), Pakistan ($43.1M), Burkina Faso ($32.8M) and Other Asia ($26.7M). The top import origins are China ($2.95B), India ($108M), Russia ($78.2M), Thailand ($73.8M) and the Philippines ($53.2M).
That info is a few years out of date but you get the picture.
"Let it be known hereby that the international community shall refer to Kim Jung Un as Kim Fat Loon, until such a time that Kim Fat Loon no longer threatens the sanctity of nuclear peace"
Several senators seemed to be just as confused about it as you are.
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Vilix
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Yeah, like that'll work. We need to place sanctions on Chinese banks that do business with NK. This will hopefully get China to start getting serious about the situation.
Only when a black man does it.
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You'd think there wouldn't be anything left to sanction on our end.
Chittagong
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Sanctions are a really bad outcome. They make the poor suffer even more, not the elite. Either take over DPRK by force, or let them do nukes, but not fucking sanctions.
Smiles and Cries
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China is the top trade partner for sure but there are so many others over the years, we only see what is reported but when you are avoiding sanction there are many ways to get around this. China can't really keep them from finding other partners but they can do a lot of damage.
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/prk/
I think they might have had a larger black market trading going on since those many sanctions. It is not that easy to keep a country from making money if it has resources to trade.
Sanctions worked against Iran. Of course the key seems to be that the country in question actually wants the sanctions lifted.
Chittagong
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This is fake new of sorts. Nobody but the absolute elite can afford to drive a car, and nobody can drive cars from one town to another, so somebody 'paying more' for petrol in Pyongyang is a laughable idea. Here's a picture I took on one of the country's main highways, middle of the day:
Everybody walks or bikes. Sanctions don't do shit anymore.
Smiles and Cries
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this is kinda the point of these things, it is what they are designed to do. Hurt the people and hope they revolt and take down the government.
They don't work very well when your Dear Leader is like a God who tells you the evil outsiders are causing your suffering.
This is fake new of sorts. Nobody but the absolute elite can afford to drive a car, and nobody can drive cars from one town to another, so somebody 'paying more' for petrol in Pyongyang is a laughable idea. Here's a picture I took on one of the country's main highways, middle of the day:
Everybody walks or bikes. Sanctions don't do shit anymore.
crazy. It's like going into the past.
Sanctions were imposed on Iran in 1980. Taking over 30 years to see results is an interesting definition of "worked".
Publicly, sanctions are a way to "do something" in response to a foreign government's unpopular action. Realistically, it's meant to be a gesture of action when no real action can take place. I don't think anyone expects that sanctions will spark a revolution, or even that a revolution is a desired outcome.
I'd really love to visit if things weren't the way they are.
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