HollovVpo1nt
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From the rough specs it seems that PS3 is a more.. specialised console. Fast CPU, Fast RAM, presumably fast GPU. Durango seems like an overall good console.
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VGLeaks: PlayStation 4 "Orbis" Roadmap
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Okay, the PS4 is finally Dennis-approved. Production is a go!
Not legally. Unless Sony pulled a Unreal Tournament 3.
Shadow of the BEAST
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Has there ever been a system that has separate ram pools that are not tide to either the gpu or cpu.
It would work in the same way as a unified only it would be split into two pools. One whith more but slow ram and one with fast but less ram?
both pools could be used in anyway that programmer sees fit.
It would work in the same way as a unified only it would be split into two pools. One whith more but slow ram and one with fast but less ram?
both pools could be used in anyway that programmer sees fit.
GDDR5 the one used in PC GPUs.
Going by the rumors it should be within 2-3 months.
I think this setup actually suits sony devs better and it could very well be their idea. Many sony devs are making more corridor based games where a super fa SD t RAM would come in really handy.
pieatorium
Member
2-3 months until reveal
Linear, corridor games are easier to do regardless of the RAM. Look what Sony and MS did this gen.
Open world games with linear corridor fidelity is where things should get interesting for both consoles.
4GB of GDDR5 should be suitable for open world games as well.
Kagari mentioned that it will be unveiled before E3 and said this info came from reliable sources,so did aegies and the guys on Podcast beyond mainly colin who said the reveal should be around a couple of months later.
I would say the majority of console devs this gen went this route in general. I wonder how next gen will play out from a design perspective.
I would say it was the reaction to starved RAM amounts.
Look at Infamous 1 & 2, as great as it looks... The lack of great RAM amounts hurts.
Where exactly?
I see where you're coming from and I agree. Looking very much forward to more open world/sandbox games next gen. Trying to imagine a GTA/Infamous/Red Dead Redemption/Just Cause/Saints Row/Elder Scrolls/etc game with at least 2GB+ of GDDR5 in a console environment is quite exciting.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Of course, like I said earlier in this thread. It will more benefit for high-end PC if multi-platform devs focus on console GDDR5.
FatalMuzza
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What's the RAM requirements for UltraHD (4k) resolution frame buffer, including double & triple buffering. Not sure triple is required for consoles.
These systems will surely be 4k ready if they are to last another ~7 years. And you can bet your bottom dollar the PS4 will yet again be the Trojan horse for a new Sony media format. Physical or digital is irrelevant.
These systems will surely be 4k ready if they are to last another ~7 years. And you can bet your bottom dollar the PS4 will yet again be the Trojan horse for a new Sony media format. Physical or digital is irrelevant.
I had (still have) Infamous 2 for free, due to the PS+ trial, but i can't enjoy it, due to the utterly horrible LOD and IQ, reason why i had to quite after a couple of hours, if that.
That image is fairly awful already, but in motion is uglier still.
And it's too bad because under that i bet the game is really cool.
Dragon's Dogma has somewhat the same problem, though i was able to stand it more (probably because i liked the general art direction more), but still.. ugly IQ and pop-in at 3 meters away.
That image is fairly awful already, but in motion is uglier still.
And it's too bad because under that i bet the game is really cool.
Dragon's Dogma has somewhat the same problem, though i was able to stand it more (probably because i liked the general art direction more), but still.. ugly IQ and pop-in at 3 meters away.
Lagspike_exe
Member
LOD pop in
AF problems
Only renders things 30 feet in front of the player. Everything else is blurred out and fogged.
A linear game like Uncharted 2 has a greater viewing distance
Lack of AF is due to lack of bandwith, not lack of RAM. 4 GB GDDR5 would be insanely good and fits into Sony's design philoshopy, as they were always big on bandwith heavy systems.
Also, what happened do "motherboard complexity" posters. Sounds like they're eating a gigantic crow.
That is true, but the lack of extra bandwidth, and the lack of available RAM hurts games like Infamous and even Dragon's Dogma.
They [and I] were realistic. 2GB or maybe 3GB was maximum of possibility with 256MB chips.
Horse Armour
Member
Yeah and they were told that new and bigger chips were going to come out yet refused to believe that the RAM market wouldn't stay frozen.
iceatcs
Junior Member
It's over 9000.
Several analysts predicted that GDDR market is shrinking, and if I recall right, Samsung even announced that they are planing big reduction in GDDR5 business. Everybody thought that price of GDDR5 will go up with each passing year.
pieatorium
Member
The rumor is a 4 core probably steamroller based cpu iirc so that would be 8 threads
Horse Armour
Member
Even if it were shrinking they wouldn't suddenly halt all R&D on higher density chips. The crux of the issue was pretty much that people believed that 2Gbit chips were all that was going to be available for next gen consoles to use even though they were launching 2-3 years after those conversations were taking place.
Magical EDRAM
CadetMahoney
Member
I want to believe.
Paging JEFF_RIGBY...
My dream for next gen is a game like Skyrim with no loading between environments. Basically open any door or enter any cave and it's all completely seamless. I'd take that over ambient occlusion or anisotropic doodads or any of that stuff.
How is Skyrim on PC? (serious question, I never played it + PC already have more than 2GB of Ram)
systemfehler
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Exactly and so far DDR4 won't be the fast and cheap solution it may be in the future. If Intel doesn't support DDR4 with Haswell for consumers the optimistic roadmap for speed, price, etc. is not valid. As long as there is nothing else on the horizon for GPU memory I don't see how GDDR5 will be a niche product - XDR2 so far is not a solution and neither is DDR4.
Lagspike_exe
Member
AF, AO etc. and seamless streaming aren't mutually exclusive. Skyrim could have been made exactly how you described it, but with a huge texture quality downgrade. Is that a good compromise? In my opinion, it isn't. What is great with having 4GB of RAM is that they'll have extra flexibility, so the devs making open world games will have more choices on how to use it.
systemfehler
Member
Seriously? Not even Sony US/EU have much to say when it comes to decisions made in Japan...
iceatcs
Junior Member
Are you for real?
I'm not sure how applicable sentiments like this will be going forward -- but isn't it shortsighted to believe any technical specifications will solve performance issues? It's not so much a technical question as it is a philosophical and design question: Going forward, will developers emphasis performance? I feel as though the answer to that question is an emphatic no. It's easy to imagine what wonders next-gen tech would have done for games that were constricted this generation -- but isn't that all relative? We are no where near a visual plateau. But won't games look better but run the same? We will still have LOD issues in open-world games, no? Because they will be so much more ambitious (as games like FC3 AC3 are now). And, unfortunately, we are still in a graphics race where compromising on-screen goodies for the sake of some extra frames matters not to the masses. These questions aren't rhetorical, either. I'm honestly asking someone.