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Vox: Top FBI officials could testify against Trump in Mueller probe
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TheRagnCajun
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There is nothing I could find the article stating that they have such evidence. The article only mentions meetings and discussions where Comey talks about his conversations with Trump. I don't think the FBI is dumb, but I do think Vox missed an important point in this article. To me it is unclear whether or not anyone has anything to add to Comey's testimony against Trump.
If they weren't personally witness to the story then I don't know what they can testify to other than establishing the fact that Comey didn't make this up after the fact.
lol perfect
this has been said in every thread and he's still alive like a fucking cockroach,.
SocksAndShoes
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Why would you expect a Vox journalist to have access to this information? Why would the FBI reveal that information to a Vox journalist?
This is kind of the entire point of having a special investigation. I'd be more concerned if we knew everything and had leaks coming from all sides of the investigation.
Except these are all conversations that would have taken place prior to Comey's firing.
Notes and memos recorded at the time, by an FBI agent, are given incredible evidentiary weight in court.
These are notes written before anyone could've collaborated or influenced the content. The story can't be changed after the fact to twist the knife or incorporate new evidence.
On top of that we actually have some of them squawking now. The turn is slow but it has started. We're on the road to the GOP ramping up their opposition. They do need to save themselves at the end of the day.
It's the middle of the investigation, first of all, and the list of consequences hitting this administration so far is staggering. They're useless at governing because of them.
He hasn't even been in office for 200 days, there's already investigations into him that can very well lead to his impeachment/arrest, and his approval ratings are historically low for this early in a presidency.
Chained Prometheus
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That's because this stuff takes time. Christ, it's insane how folks think that just because Trump hasn't actually been arrested yet means that somehow nothing has happened.
Hell, compared to Watergate, this is already going at a considerably faster pace.
TheCochese
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If you expected something by now, you have no concept of how the American political system or justice system works.
It's a bullshit reply.
This investigation is just getting started. This is not a fast process by any means
Watergate took 2 years to complete but Nixon resigned before then
this is all fake news, bros
/s
And yes, I know these things take time but I want him the fuck out NOW.
Comey having contemporaneous notes is a huge boost to the credibility of what he is saying. If he also told a bunch of people the same story at the time and they also took notes saying the same that basically seals the deal. It doesn't matter if they weren't also there, that level of corroboration is incredibly persuasive.
SwiftDeath
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It really is going to be quite ironic when the tv shows/movies around Trump's Investigation by Special Counsel gets better ratings/results than any TV show Trump actually participated in/managed
FloydtheFathead
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Because corroboration is important.. if they didn't testify, Donnie and his attorneys could make it boil down to a he said, she said type of situation. Trump could weather it down and deny it all and just paint Comey as nuts and his memos as nothing more than doodles
Comey having his CoS in on one occasion and informing people immediately after it happened strengthens the case that Donnie did obstruct justice.
TheRagnCajun
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You're exactly right. They can establish as a matter of fact that Comey hasn't changed his story.
The GOP is completely complicit; we can't expect them
to do the right thing for the country or their long term self interest.
???Article said:
Of course we're not going to have all the evidence public yet and of course Vox, of all places, isn't going to get the bombshells. Just have patience...
Randolph Freelander
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My initial comment was tongue in cheek so I really don't want to go too far off into the weeds here, but if you're expecting Republicans to dump Trump, you're crazy. The overwhelming majority of Congressional seals are uncompetitive, which means a Representative has more to fear about a primary challenge than they do losing to a member of the opposite party in the general election. Trump's numbers among polled Republicans are slipping, but they're still plenty strong enough to ward off Congressional Republicans, or the Republican establishment, from doing anything as drastic as starting legitimate impeachment proceedings (should Mueller's report support them) or rallying around a different candidate for 2020.
They chose to own Trump, and now he owns them.
I knew your post was. There are some others in here I was referring to. You do realize how crazy it is to make this point 6 months into a presidency with a government controlled by his party on both sides? But...sorry...don't wanna go off topic.
They are NOT strong enough. They are historically low amongst his own party and his "strong" support is collapsing. Midterms will seal it.
Version 3.0
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The opposing argument will be that Comey wrote his memos after he was fired, as retaliation. Multiple people confirming that he spoke about it while still at the FBI helps deflate that otherwise potentially plausible lie.
TheCochese
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No, there is a point where they will abandon ship. They'll do it way too late, but they'll do it if there's no other choice.
It's amazing that this is even a possibility six months in.
There's absolutely a point where Republicans will turn on Trump. We've already started to hear a few Republicans be more vocal about their dismay with what Trump is doing, they've been putting measures in place to keep Trump in check, and Trump himself has already been cutting ties with the traditional GOP by firing members of his staff and replacing them with more of "his people". If Trump continues to cut off the traditional GOP and Muellers investigation turns up some big things, they'll eat Trump alive out of self preservation.
Trump's hardcore fanbase is way smaller than people think.
Trump's hardcore fanbase is way smaller than people think.
Schucky Ducky
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For real. If he only keeps his "base" and loses independents and moderates, he loses re-election in a landslide.
Well, if we go with the assumption that the road to impeachment hinges on the Dems taking the house, he'll be taken out of the line of succession anyways.
Speaking of, if Trump gets impeached, Pence becomes President, but if he resigns, is also impeached, or is otherwise pushed out of the White House, the Speaker becomes president, and if Dems take the house that means we'd get a Democrat in the White House despite Trump winning the election.
That's kind of hilarious (but not going to happen, the GOP will make sure Pence stays in the White House).
HeartlessNobody213
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Things take time. Do people really expect to turn on the news one day anytime soon and see "Trump arrested and escorted out the White House"?
BossDarkseid
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Possibly, but I figure the GOP would rather throw Trump to the wolves than give up the White House.
BigWeather
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If post-midterm the Democrats are in control of the House and it looks likely that Trump and Pence are both in jeopardy they'll have Pence resign, let Trump choose a clean replacement, then Trump will resign / be impeached / whatever. No way the Rs will let the Speaker of the House become President if a Democrat, sadly.
The Greek Freak
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If the DNC wasn't a dumpster fire of incompetence then maybe pure pessimism wouldn't be so warranted.
This. People I know that liked Trump, all of a sudden, not so interested anymore. It's not so much that they have become less horrible in their ways of thinking, it's just that they are fatigued of Trump and, they no longer have Clinton as a rallying point. So they are just all of a sudden, done with politics. They don't talk about it.
My point being, there is still over 3 more years of Trump. everything we have been through for the last 6 months and go through it all over again 7 more times. Trump isn't going to get better. The investigation isn't going away.
People are crazy thinking Trump is going to so easily win again. I don't know how midterms will go but I feel pretty good about Trump being out in 2020.
BobTheFork
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I could not possibly feel any worse about the idea of him still being in office until 2020.
Think of the damage he has done. I don't just mean with policy and diplomacy. Has he even gotten through half of his appointments? We are bleeding functionality at many level of government.
This actually happened?
Right on time. No matter the topic...you make sure this is known.
I've accepted that Trump is very likely going to do a full term. I think if anything comes of this investigation, and I think it will, it will happen either shorty before election and after. Not enough time for it to get him out of office sooner and Republicans won't make move anyway.
We are definitely in for a very rough 3 1/2 more years. All I can hope is that most of what Trump does can be reversed and things that can't like court appointments, that things will look better if we can hold the presidency for 8 years. I'm sure the first 4 years would be just fixing what Trump fucked up and working on repairing relationships with allies.
jack_package_200
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TIL that the FBI is somehow connected to the DNC
boiled goose
good with gravy
The dude is considering firing sessions and Mueller.
Plus, every week the story and evidence increase and deepen. Things can speed up any second.
#deepstate
chekhonte
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Yeah, it's going to take 2 years or more according to everyone. This process isn't firing the line cook at a Buffalo Wild Wings.
fixed?
Randolph Freelander
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BWW wouldn't have been dumb enough to hire Trump in the first place.
This is almost to the point of a punchline. Month after month, thread after thread. My angst / anger at this point comes from the appearance that our current system straight up does not work.
The orange fuck has shown nothing but incompetence, hate, unprofessionalism, lack of interest in the job, and more than likely conspired with another country to win the election. Yet he remains in office and in full control.
This is all happening incredibly fast relative to other similar situations in the past. People have unrealistic expectations about how long things take.
Well that's true, I'm not a seer. And Trump is not a very smart man when it comes to life outside of being able to buy his way out of his problems which is where he is now.
That and maybe somehow Democrats retake some of congress. So there are a lot of factors but my mindset is he's going to do a full term.
FunkyMunkey
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and posters here STILL manage to somehow misunderstand a simple black and white article for the sole purpose of sprinkling their projected pessimism on a story that is good news
downright sad
downright sad