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Where went all the great action movie one-liner?
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Babymario26
Member
uhh wouldnt it be "this aint that kind of movie" ?
QuantumZebra
Member
I mean, I agree with your OP, but my God what the fuck
You can't have an opinion on action films until you've watched Die Hard 1-3 at minimum.
classic
Ok Die Hard 1 is fucking legendary, but Die Hard With A Vengeance is awesome. Jeremy Irons and Samuel Jackson were at peak 90's.
Graphics Horse
Member
Tony Redgrave
Member
They're not the same because they were a perfect storm.
Today we've got better cinematography and effects but we don't have the writers, directors and actors. Writers think that that kind of writing is corny and it won't fly anymore, many directors won't bother because action cinema doesn't lend itself to "serious" themes and more artistic stuff, while the rest gravitate either to comedy, horror or whatever which will generate benefits at half the cost.
Action stuff is dominated by superhero movies which are bogged by their cumbersome universes and mass appeal, also, actors who work in the genre are simply not charismatic enough. Nor Jason Statham, Vin Diesel or Dwayne Johnson hold a candle to Bruce Willis, Sly or Schwarzenegger, for example.
We get some outliers like Dredd but that's about it.
Today we've got better cinematography and effects but we don't have the writers, directors and actors. Writers think that that kind of writing is corny and it won't fly anymore, many directors won't bother because action cinema doesn't lend itself to "serious" themes and more artistic stuff, while the rest gravitate either to comedy, horror or whatever which will generate benefits at half the cost.
Action stuff is dominated by superhero movies which are bogged by their cumbersome universes and mass appeal, also, actors who work in the genre are simply not charismatic enough. Nor Jason Statham, Vin Diesel or Dwayne Johnson hold a candle to Bruce Willis, Sly or Schwarzenegger, for example.
We get some outliers like Dredd but that's about it.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
So. Good. Time for a re-watch.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Why is that?
I noticed you said the same thing in your Godzilla thread. I don't want to act like a snob, there's certainly nothing wrong with watching dubbed movies, I still do it occasionally. But you're posting on GAF so you already have a decent handle of the english language and there's always a little bit of substance that gets lost in translation.
Anyway, the villains in Die Hard 2 are american, you can start there if you prefer. I understand being annoyed by german villains in Hollywood movies but I thought they handled them pretty well in Die Hard 1 & 3. They didn't feel like offensive caricatures, just badass euro villains.
4 is okay but forgettable. You can skip it. I've never seen 5 but it's pretty terrible from what I understand.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
That was ten years ago.
If you want to refute the thread's premise, I don't think that really counts ;P
I am fine with the villains beeing german, that they are not in the german version is whats is bothering me
From all actors in Hollywood, Willis is the one with the most amazing voiceactor, he is even loved by the people who hate german dubs: https://youtu.be/kzpTroO6ogs
I think I am gonna grab the Box with Part I - IV the next time I see it.
But in regards of the question with the dubs, its more that I am often, espescially with older movies very unhappy with the soundmix, the voices are often very quiet compared to the other sounds IMO.
Also, I just got used to their voices. I cant take Arnie or Sly seriously when they mumble around.
NealMcCauley
Member
Karl Urban in Dredd has some pretty deadpan one word lines.
"Admirable."
"Interesting."
"...Yeah."
"Admirable."
"Interesting."
"...Yeah."
Haloid1177
Banned
Darth Vader does them now see Rogue One
"Be Careful not to Choke, on your aspirations Director"
He did that shit in the OT too people need to stop acting like that line was so out of place for Vader.
Charlouie Jonesman
Banned
They did change their names actually. Hans Gruber to Jack Gruber, Karl to Charlie etc.
The dumbest bit is when Bruce Willis writes the names of two terrorists he has eavesdropped on on his arm. The german dub gives him some flimsy, illogical reason as to why he writes different names than the ones they're saying in the dub.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
I am fine with the villains beeing german, that they are not in the german version is whats is bothering me
Lol, okay, I'll admit that that is strange.
It's the same in french, actually. And Eddie Murphy as well. Their voice actors are beloved here and arguably funnier than the original versions.
What I do is that I always watch english language content with english subtitles. It helps me with older movies, weird accents and bad sound mixes. That's pretty much how I learned to speak english in the first place, it's all thanks to my dvd imports!
Vincent Alexander
Member
Because it was out of place. And awful. Vader acted like he was performing a stage play.
And the like itself was way FORCED, if you get my drift.
QuantumZebra
Member
I thought that part was awesome, and classic Vader
People will bitch about anything, I swear, smdh
What does that even mean? He always had a dark humor and physical "style"... ah fuck it.
Vincent Alexander
Member
And by the logic of "people will bitch about anything" I counter with my "people will praise anything" card. Bam.
bonesmccoy
Banned
The focus has moved from the one-liner to the intra-squad bantz.
Fug Slanderson
Member
They were all used up I think
Reckless Abandon
Member
All good call outs. Movie makers today seem to be afraid to go into cheesy/campy territory with their one-liners/quips anymore, which I guess is both good and bad. Now everything has to be edgy and spot-on clever.
He really does. And he commits to what little dialogue he has so well. He absolutely nailed it as Dredd...he's dark, matter-of-fact, unwavering. It's great. It's one of my favorite movies of the past decade for sure. I also like:
"Sir, a helmet can interfere with my psychic abilities"
"I think a bullet in the head would interfere with them more."
[punches guy in throat]"Choke on that."
"Judgement time."
Nope.
MetroidPrimeRib
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