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White House: "Fox News is not a news organization"
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Again, Fox can do whatever they want but the stories wouldn't "have legs" if the legitimate media didn't feel pressured by Fox's ratings and accusations of "liberal bias". Those stories and others should have stayed on right-wing talk radio where they belonged. Fox "News" is poison to real journalism..
monchi-kun
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methos75 said:
exaggeration get!
What actually happened is that outfits like the NYT felt embarrassed that they missed this story either because of blindness or because they didn't respect anything coming out of FNC in the first place. You have your account completely backwards. When they say they were too slow to react to this story, they aren't saying hey this isn't a story but some organization we don't respect says it is, and hey we're new to this whole news thing so whatever it's just a paycheck.Cloudy said:
ViperVisor
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Real Issues would be a start. Not black people are scary on TV if they aren't singing or sporting.
APF said:
No, that's not it. Fox trumpeted on their air that no one else was covering the stories and that means they are in the tank for Obama. Then conservative viewers/readers on those outlets start badgering the editors and they have to respond.
Fox does that all the time to get the other networks to peddle their crap so as to avoid the "liberal media" tag. They are currently doing this with Maogate. Let's see what happens..
And when the NYT looks up and is like oh whoops that really is a story we should be reporting on, you realize there is a point to partisan media--much like, oh I don't know, when a comedy news entertainment show starts talking about CNBC anchors' cluelessness / complicity and suddenly the media is like, oh whoops that really is a good point maybe we should look into it.
LiveFromKyoto
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Cloudy said:
ACORN was a legitimate story, though some real investigation should have been done as to how widespread that sort of corruption was rather than saying "we've got a video shut the whole organization down!" The WH decided they were sick of having that albatross and cut loose rather than let the story balloon while they had to answer questions about it daily.
Van Jones & the Mao thing are just silly trivia though. As a guy who majored in east asian studies I have a greater dislike for Mao and what he did than the vast majority of the people decrying this (I defy your average teabagger to explain the details of the Cultural Revolution to me) and I think it was a retarded thing to say, but I don't think that means Obama is going to tear down the Statue of Liberty as a symbol of the weight of history and bourgeois enslavement.
No no, only the right-wing partisans would care http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-15-2009/the-audacity-of-hos
polyh3dron
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goddamn fucking persecution complex.GaimeGuy said:
This story is obviously still ongoing, so no conclusions should be drawn yet, but:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/white-house-admits-to-fox-news-pay-czar-interview-exclusion-a-mistake/
I think your only options are: this is purposeful and they're cleverly trying to shake Fox News up; this is not on purpose and they're just incompetent; this is not entirely one or the other and they're trying to walk it back because they feel it's not working in their advantage.Cloudy said:
I think the Administration would be better served by accepting interviews with outlets whose audience might be more skeptical to their policies; sure, object if those interviews are unfairly edited, but to be scared of say, Major Garrett is silly.
Edit: awefaw --true, if the Administration really wants to show they're not afraid of FNC / don't consider them a news org, they should do that. [edit 2: err, I more meant to Fox]
Edit: awefaw --true, if the Administration really wants to show they're not afraid of FNC / don't consider them a news org, they should do that. [edit 2: err, I more meant to Fox]
LOL, they are already calling Obama "Nixonian" (A step-up from Hitler lol) because admin officials won't grace Fox with their presence for now. The media would go ballistic if he tried to kick Fox or any cable channels off :lol
The best thing is to let Fox participate in the press pool as usual and boycott the tv channel. They make shit up anyways so what's the big deal?
The best thing is to let Fox participate in the press pool as usual and boycott the tv channel. They make shit up anyways so what's the big deal?
Ether_Snake
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Yeah, no wonder, imagine what that would make all those news network look like. They would basically be labeling themselves as White House correspondents of sorts rather than actual journalists. If they allowed Fox to be excluded, it puts all the networks in the same basket outside of Fox, making Fox standout as the persecuted news outlet while the others end up looking like they're all working together as one, for the White House.
You know, when Obama ran his campaign I had a lot of faith in the people he surrounded himself with, because the campaign was so well managed. But now I've come to realize that this is really all these people can do; manage a campaign. Plus, it has come to light that there's a whole lot of people in the administration who are basically frustrated self-hating left-wing baby boomers (and their offshoots). It's surprising to see that the best the Democrats have are actually a few senators and congressmen, rather than people in the administration itself. I don't know where Obama fished all those clowns.
Both of those are a step up from Carter. So Cartrarian?
The problem is the military industrial complex is in full swing. You would need congressional help to change that and they represent a state who is more worried more about infighting for jobs. Any stance they take against china beneficial or not would be against free trade regardless of those your doing business. To a large enough proportion of the country it doesn't matter who you are doing trade with just that you get to do it how you want to.
Ether_Snake said:
The problem is the military industrial complex is in full swing. You would need congressional help to change that and they represent a state who is more worried more about infighting for jobs. Any stance they take against china beneficial or not would be against free trade regardless of those your doing business. To a large enough proportion of the country it doesn't matter who you are doing trade with just that you get to do it how you want to.
PantherLotus
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I think the major disconnect between progressives and regressives here is that the FOX supporters believe that one story of moderate legitimacy being painted as proof of a nationwide conspiracy to throw elections is enough to make everybody else forget the years and years of: Saddam has WMDs!, Saddam = Al Qaeda!, WAR WAR WAR WAR! Torture is a good thing! Global Warming is a conspiracy! Protesters are un-American!, If you protest the war, you hate the troops! Kerry is a flip-flopper! Kerry is un-American! Kerry lied about his service and quit on the country! Sarah Palin, YAY! Obama is a celebrity! Obama is a Muslim! Obama isn't American! Obama is a socialist! Obama wants to kill your grandma! Obama wants to take your guns! OMG, Obama is lobbying for the Olympics! CZARS CZARS CZARS!!!!
I can't believe this is even up for debate. Those on the extremist fringe right, with apologies to the civil/fiscal conservatives here that can't stand these tactics (are there any of you left?), can recognize what this is and has been. We all know this, even you miserable clowns pretending to defend this indefensible nonsense. There are literal stacks of evidence, video clips, transcripts, inter-office memos, former employees, and countless articles from numerous, impartial sources that show that FOX is little more than a 24-hour channel promoting Republican propaganda.
Is President Obama the perfect candidate, politician, person, or otherwise? Hardly. There are several legitimate reasons people on either side of the aisle could be wary of his politics. But let's not get it twisted. FOX is not a news channel any more than Obama is a Manchurian Candidate. While their commercial success is certainly impressive, their target audience is the laughing stock of the entire planet. With parodies and mockeries of the worst sort of American stereotypes confirming the most absolute vile beliefs of what Americans are like, they embarrass us all.
I can't believe this is even up for debate. Those on the extremist fringe right, with apologies to the civil/fiscal conservatives here that can't stand these tactics (are there any of you left?), can recognize what this is and has been. We all know this, even you miserable clowns pretending to defend this indefensible nonsense. There are literal stacks of evidence, video clips, transcripts, inter-office memos, former employees, and countless articles from numerous, impartial sources that show that FOX is little more than a 24-hour channel promoting Republican propaganda.
Is President Obama the perfect candidate, politician, person, or otherwise? Hardly. There are several legitimate reasons people on either side of the aisle could be wary of his politics. But let's not get it twisted. FOX is not a news channel any more than Obama is a Manchurian Candidate. While their commercial success is certainly impressive, their target audience is the laughing stock of the entire planet. With parodies and mockeries of the worst sort of American stereotypes confirming the most absolute vile beliefs of what Americans are like, they embarrass us all.
Peronthious
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Cloudy said:
Oh come on, seriously.
Nixon's hate list may have concentrated on one organization (the WSJ), but there were plenty of other news organizations he had a vendetta against. The Obama administration's comments about Fox now don't even compare.
To resurrect something that's probably been said many times in this thread, at least MSNBC doesn't tell blatant lies.
PantherLotus
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I'm referring to the oft-referenced "talking points" that were passed around some years ago that highlighted the Republican agenda of the day. Local news stations were getting them from higher ups. I do think Out Foxed mentioned it or something similar, but I can't honestly recall.
LiveFromKyoto
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Cloudy said:
:lol That was hilarious. "John Kerry looks french!" "President Hussein!"
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