I didnt say its in good taste, but at its core the game is an educational game to teach children how bad slave trading was.
Really? That image is fucking gross and despicable.
I didnt say its in good taste, but at its core the game is an educational game to teach children how bad slave trading was.
That was a few years ago and limited to a couple of idiots. Now there's an entire board on 4chan (pol) dedicated to raiding sites with spam and even organizing real life Nazi movements like Charlottesville. We all know better now. It's no longer an ethical problem today.
The only way to combat this is to get organized with left-wing review bombs. When the system is broken and the administrator is not interested in doing anything to it, the only way is to kill the system. If this turns Steam reviews into a political battleground, so be it - it's Valve's fault.
That was a few years ago and limited to a couple of idiots. Now there's an entire board on 4chan (pol) dedicated to raiding sites with spam and even organizing real life Nazi movements like Charlottesville. We all know better now. It's no longer an ethical problem today.
The only way to combat this is to get organized with left-wing review bombs. When the system is broken and the administrator is not interested in doing anything to it, the only way is to kill the system. If this turns Steam reviews into a political battleground, so be it - it's Valve's fault.
Off topic but where is this gif from?
I'm sorry but how stupid are you? That image is fucking gross and despicable.
Why not just put the actual historical data infront of people and empower it with enough statistics to highlight what is going on. It won't solve bombing, but it will highlight it crystal clear.
For an open system the solutions are simply more openness and presenting the facts of any issue as clearly as possible. Forcing "politics" to combat one set of people's views is just the same nonsense.
Don't be a jerk. Jerks get banned. You can think of a way to express your opinion without being a jerk, I think.
I toned it down. It's such a ridiculous thing to say that it seems borderline intentional.
I must say when Valve started including 'recently' and 'overall' review scores it helped to see if something had some kind of recent controversy surrounding it but also helps identify if a product has improved over time (like Slain which recieved substantial updates) honestly it works great for me.
Exactly. That's why I'm always disappointed when people complain about a game being in Origin or Uplay, and also one of the reasons I'm a big supporter of GOG (besides DRM-Free).
It's an uphill battle as for example take the most helpful negative review in the past 30 days is like 1500 helpful out of 1800.At this point I think we need to start counter-movements against this. Review bombs can be countered by going out by force, voting "Not useful" on every single review complaining about SJWs and whatever, and then mass voting "Useful" on every review that is actually about the game (even negative ones are fine if they're about the game, not drama).
IT ISN'T MY JOB TO DEAL WITH RACISTS ON A GAME FORUM.
Not true, at all. There are many other tools, and this really doesn't do anything, just low hanging fruit. Conveniently no one was talking about Firewatch anymore (because it's a nearly 2 year old walking sim), so they decided to conflate both situations, and this is the result - no one's happy.
Sounds a lot like when a developer does something underhanded, and customers can't get their voice heard - that's never happened before though.
Again, I strongly dislike PewDiePie (his content is trash), but this is just extreme hyperbole.
Actions have consequence.
Edit--
"Legit tools" is a major stretch here, specifically when it really doesn't directly impact their game, as they seem to think. They disagreed with PewDiePie and looked for any method to impact him - boy that certainly sounds familiar, doesn't it?
I'm not fine with Steam harassment by users, but I'm also very much not fine with bullshit DMCA take-downs of fair use content due to a completely unrelated matter.
I'm not talking about punishment, I'm talking about consequence.
Edit2 -- Why isn't YouTube banning PewDiePie's entire channel then? And why aren't people boycotting YouTube, and Google?
M°°nblade;249035456 said:Do better how?
You mean by playing nanny and censuring boards?
I'd say: let people post stupid shit online and report it to the police if it's legally finable.
M°°nblade;249036114 said:Well, that's not better in my opinion.
If an online community can't do better than censure or ban everything that's slightly offendable or political incorrect in order to avoid conflicts and controversity among members, to me that means gaming communities still have a long way to go before getting called 'mature'.
I'd say leaving it to the developers to decide how to handle their own communities is the best approach Valve could take.
M°°nblade;249038226 said:Yes, like I said: slightly offendable. I can't see the content of the discussions in that steamgroup but if it's just the swastika and hitler picture that offend you so much, beware of 'google images', you will find it there as well.
As a libertarian I say: unless is legally finable, it should be allowed and up to the developers how much they want their business to be potentially damaged by the community they allow to infest their boards. I know some people who have the weirdest interests and fascinations.
I've chuckled about people I know irl who are into indianism, and I do the same when I see this kind of fanatism. If a marginal amount of people adore WWII nazi's, hey, each to their own.
I think you are. Nothing's 'running rampant'.
Overly censorship is exactly what thrives such extremists into concentrated places and creates boards like stormfront used to be. It's better to dilute these kind of views in boards all around where they are challenged with their views instead of reinforced by like/worse-minded individuals in a vacuum.
M°°nblade;249039896 said:What you actually mean by that is 'it isn't my job to confront these people with their extremist and narrow political views because I prefer the comfort of not having to deal with them'.
So racists are fine, as long as they're not on your board. You're basically being a digital 'nimby'.
It's an uphill battle as for example take the most helpful negative review in the past 30 days is like 1500 helpful out of 1800.
What about the positive one? 15/39 so a much lower percent.
Exactly. That's why I'm always disappointed when people complain about a game being in Origin or Uplay, and also one of the reasons I'm a big supporter of GOG (besides DRM-Free).
Valve basically only cares that Steam is running and receiving the money. They don't care about anything else, which is disappointing. And as long as they continue having that monopoly and not a competitor that is actually threatening them, they will continue with that attitude.
Ehhhh
And that was just from the first page of results by searching for 'Nazi'. Who knows how many slightly less obvious Neonazi groups (say, without Nazi in the title) there are.
There was also one that was calling on people to kill all Jews.
You're right. It's mine.
Why would they be? If they misbehave in the community, they get banned there. Is it also up to Valve to make sure no one is saying nasty stuff online in the games they sell on their platform?So the people who spam racist and vile shit in the forums/review only get banned from the community? There's no VAC ban equivalent.