90% of the reviews are joke reviews that have '10/10 Would ____ again" and are single sentence reviews.
Just leave reviews to curators or remove the forums and review system all together, there's plenty of sources on the internet to get an opinion about the games.
You shouldn't be worshiping companies at all. They are not your friend or family. You give them money for a service that you desire, that should be the beginning and end of the relationship.Yeah, I rather worship companies that tries to nickle and dime me in new ways! That's not weird at all!
You are on a videogame forum that is largely console focused and this is the thing you find the weirdest? Not the expressions of worship and adoration towards CEOs and giant corporate conglomerates? Seriously?
You shouldn't be worshiping companies at all. They are not your friend or family. You give them money for a service that you desire, that should be the beginning and end of the relationship.
See above.
Right but the posters you quoted never said it was right. Actually, BernardoOne is the kind of poster to advocate against doing so.
What people are telling you is:
1) It's an old thing
2) That isn't specific to Valve/Steam, hence your comment about "weirdest thing in gaming".
1) doesn't make it right
2) Figure of speech
I don't see how posting gifs of Reggie or Kaz is at all on the same level as people defending or making excuses for Valve allowing WN/Nazi/racist garbage on their platform.
I never said it makes it right. I said it's an old thing, which means not a surprising one and more importantly, a widespread thing that certainly isn't limited to Valve/Steam.
So Whataboutism ? Got you
No, just facts. It's not "what about", it's just "it's a thing about gaming. Not a good one, but an old one and widespread one". I mean, your original post is about "weirdest thing" as "unique".
More, better, more effective moderation would be great. New Steam UI is coming, hopefully with some features that will help address some of these sorts of things in a more timely fashion.
Such is the challenge of providing the community with so many more features than competitors, with so few restrictions.
Definitely not deleting my fucking Steam account because some groups or players are using offensive names or writing offensive shit that I never see. To me that makes about as much sense as selling my PS4 or XOne because people keep being racist on voice chat. On consoles, you party chat to avoid this shit. On Steam, you don't join those groups. And you keep on living.
And it shouldn't be used to give a pass for Valve Steam.
More, better, more effective moderation would be great. New Steam UI is coming, hopefully with some features that will help address some of these sorts of things in a more timely fashion.
Such is the challenge of providing the community with so many more features than competitors, with so few restrictions.
Definitely not deleting my fucking Steam account because some groups or players are using offensive names or writing offensive shit that I never see. To me that makes about as much sense as selling my PS4 or XOne because people keep being racist on voice chat. On consoles, you party chat to avoid this shit. On Steam, you don't join those groups. And you keep on living.
You shouldn't be worshiping companies at all. They are not your friend or family. You give them money for a service that you desire, that should be the beginning and end of the relationship.
See above.
That's fine. I don't really care how it's done so long as it gets steadily improved. But I for damn sure am not about to stress out about this, never mind deleting my account. That's just absurd. It's like moving out of Miami because there are a couple of houses on the other side of the city that I don't go to house nazis or gangs but haven't been raided by the cops yet. Hopefully the cops get around to them but their presence has no impact on my experience so no, I am not moving, lol.Better tools are important. Although Valve also has to step up their moderation team. The platform is getting bigger, so should they.
That's fair. I'm not interested in letting racist dickheads affect my enjoyment of some shit I've paid for though. Fuck all that.That's actually reason #1 why I'm not paying for online on consoles.
No but I def wouldn't delete my Steam account over it.
That's actually reason #1 why I'm not paying for online on consoles.
M°°nblade;249038226 said:As a libertarian I say: unless is legally finable, it should be allowed and up to the developers how much they want their business to be potentially damaged by the community they allow to infest their boards. I know some people who have the weirdest interests and fascinations.
I've chuckled about people I know irl who are into indianism, and I do the same when I see this kind of fanatism. If a marginal amount of people adore WWII nazi's, hey, each to their own.
I think you are. Nothing's 'running rampant'.
Overly censorship is exactly what thrives such extremists into concentrated places and creates boards like stormfront used to be. It's better to dilute these kind of views in boards all around where they are challenged with their views instead of reinforced by like/worse-minded individuals in a vacuum.
Origin has exactly zero moderators.It is disgusting how much Valve get away with. I didn't realise it got this bad for the Firewatch devs, with Valve still doing nothing about their moderation policy. To be fair GoG Galaxy is absolutely amazing, and even Origin is finally in my good books with the amazing value of Origin/EA Access. Seems like a great time to wave goodbye to Steam forever, so thanks for giving me that final reason I needed. All new games I buy will be from competitors wherever possible until they start taking some responsibility for their own platform.
Even if it were free, what would be the difference? You still paid for the game. You'd hear hate speech either way. Stop buying multiplayer games if you want to make a statement.
You can't use community guides to post fixes for specific problems. That's in no way a feasible systemCommunity guides could still be a thing. Although it's just as badly moderated, one quick look at the CS:GO community guides section and I spot scams/gambling ads...
I googled it and it looks like that group doesn't exist anymore, so it's not like Valve doesn't do anything.
...did you even bother to actually click on the link?
The reported group has been banned. Click on it. " This group has been administratively disabled."
Yeah. Not impressed by Valve. They don't give a shit.That Nazi community was up for years and it was only taken down because a journalist wrote this article. If he hadn't it would still be up.
Valve needs to start doing its part to contribute to cleaning the cesspool that permeates gaming. It has every opportunity to do so. Enough with these amoral companies who perpetuate hatred that has no business in mainstream gaming.
I applaud every developer, publisher and user who takes a stand.
Once again, I like Valve's near hands off approach with regards to what sort of games it allows on the store and wouldn't have this any other way. I want the video game market to be encouraged to be open so that any number of developers can tackle any sort of artistic subjects they desire. (note that I don't mean to imply that the aforementioned games necessarily do a good job of this, just that such is a consequence of such an open policy). As long as the video game marketplace is extremely open in what it allows, writers, programmers, directors, artists, etc. will have a lot of freedom to pursue any number of unique ideas, controversial or no, which makes for a more varied, more diverse, and more unique selection of games available. While this might allow some really bad games on the store, it also opens things up to really good and interesting ones. Plus I don't want Valve deciding for me what games I want to play.Right now you can find Hatred, Playing History 2 - Slave Trade, and House Party on the storefront, showing that Valve has no problem with the glorification of mass shootings, the trivialization of atrocities, or the gamification of rape. We can give them some points for consistency though, as the availability of Paranautical Activity suggests Valve is unwilling to take a stand even against death threats to its own founder.
If you read the article they talk about two groups. One of them got banned because someone else actually reported it , quite recently even, doesn't seem to have anything to do with the article.About that...
Yeah. Not impressed by Valve. They don't give a shit.
Right now you can find Hatred, Playing History 2 - Slave Trade, and House Party on the storefront, showing that Valve has no problem with the glorification of mass shootings, the trivialization of atrocities, or the gamification of rape. We can give them some points for consistency though, as the availability of Paranautical Activity suggests Valve is unwilling to take a stand even against death threats to its own founder.
I wish I could separate myself from Steam but 99% of my PC games are connected to it. I should start buying more through GOG in the future.
WhatI dunno, I find it weird that cooking food seems to be a hassle for a lot of people. Especially college students. It just seems so easy to me. For example, I made this sopailla cheesecake for my coworkers and they loved it. But, the guy next to me fucked up a simple cake? Is cooking really a skill? My boss and fellow workers wanna pay me too cook take home deserts.
Fuck it I'm down, buy the ingredients, just seems like I'm taking advantage of directions, idk what do you shefs think?
Steam needs a serious contender before they come of their asses.
If Neo-Fucking-GAF can be moderated in a rather successful manner, where the mods don't get anything out of it (other than keep a community they enjoy tidy), I'm sure Valve with its billions can get on the fucking moderation train.
Fuck, I'm sure there are plenty of alright people who'd do it for free lmao. It's just Valve being lazy fucks as usual.
Once again, I like Valve's near hands off approach with regards to what sort of games it allows on the store and wouldn't have this any other way. I want the video game market to be encouraged to be open so that any number of developers can tackle any sort of artistic subjects they desire. Plus I don't want Valve deciding for me what games I want to play.
But the whole thing against Hatred was completely and utterly overblown. The game is hilariously tame for what it's supposed to be. It's no different than a Postal game.The problem is that there is a market for hatred. It's not a matter of the community or the invisible hand of the market filtering it out, as there is a community and a market for it. If you don't mind gaming sliding further into it's reputation as a shithole of bigotry and hate, then enjoy access to the seemingly endless options available on the store, I guess.
How do you even find that group? I search for the name, Steam returned no hits. Did a more general search and all i could find was edgy dumbasses with groups of 1 to 5 people at most.
Meanwhile I found Anti-Nazi group at over 1000 members and The only good nazi is a dead nazi at over 300. The presence of big nazi groups seems quite overstated.
I'm not so sure of that.The problem is that there is a market for hatred. It's not a matter of the community or the invisible hand of the market filtering it out, as there is a community and a market for it. If you don't mind gaming sliding further into it's reputation as a shithole of bigotry and hate, then enjoy access to the seemingly endless options available on the store, I guess.
And when that moment comes, they'd rather shut those features down alltogether. Why waste millions of dollars on moderating steamforums when they dont earn you any money back?
Steam has a userbase of 125 million people.
The toxcity in unmoderatorable amounts will always be there regardless of good or bad competition.
But the whole thing against Hatred was completely and utterly overblown. The game is hilariously tame for what it's supposed to be. It's no different than a Postal game.
I'm so glad more people are becoming vocally critical of steam and how valve is grossly mismanaging it all because they can just sit back and say "Well it just prints money so who cares?".
Maybe I'm wrong but weren't they going to remove the whole forum system just because?
No, it's not unmoderatable. Neogaf is unmoderatable by your logic. Shit will slip through the cracks, that is not the same as literally not even giving a fuck.
It's not hard to police hot ticket games, or like, usergroups as opposed to individuals (which there are many less of). It gets harder every day that they don't do it though since they're letting it pile up.
I'm so glad more people are becoming vocally critical of steam and how valve is grossly mismanaging it all because they can just sit back and say "Well it just prints money so who cares?".