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WiiU "Latte" GPU Die Photo - GPU Feature Set And Power Analysis
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That's pretty much Wii U.
ColdBlooder
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1 set of comparisons.
Wii U image is more crisp, but as you see on the ground, that rug has a lower resolution.
PS3 and Wii U versions seem to be most similar, but as you can see, the image is pretty blurry in comparison.
Not sure why the resolution of the 360 looks so odd.
Texture differences might just be lack of AF on Wii U. There are probably rendering resolution diffrences between the three too.
Mithos
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Hi-Res texture pack DLC $9.99/7.99 >_<
The basic principles of a conversation seem to be a bigger mystery than the Wii U GPU.
Isn't that included in the 360 version? So Microsoft paid for it?
Will it work? It only has twice the RAM.
Since some of you are convinced that I clearly must have abused the hell out of my systems for them to die within a week, here is what happened to my Wii:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/11/20/wiiconnect-24-update-breaking-systems
http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/20/wii-being-hit-by-fatal-error-110213-could-be-funky-firmware/
Since this didn't break every single console it must have been some kind of hardware defect combined with the software update that basically bricked the wifi card on the system. Fortunately it was launch day so all I lost was a little bit of progress as my save games could not be moved to the new system.
As for the 3DS, I charged it up, played it for 15 minutes, closed the lid, and when I opened it an hour later it didn't wake up...it was totally dead at that point. No idea what I could have done differently there.
Funny, all of the other handhelds provide a dual voltage power supply! Pretty much all the cellphones and tablets I have seen come with dual voltage power supplies, not to mention pretty much 100% of all laptops (because you know, travelling). I have bought some very cheap generic USB chargers and they have all been dual voltage. Seriously, Nintendo is the outlier here - people are genuinely surprised when they fry their AC adapter in another country.
I guess this is like folks saying "the eShop policies are fine, I'm ok with having to fill out a police report if I lose my 3DS. It doesn't affect me"
All I know is that I heard on very good authority that a very big third-party release that used FMV extensively and was planning to ship on a dual layer disc around the time the Brawl fiasco was unfolding failed certification because Nintendo was refusing to release anything on a DL disc. They were forced to recompress the hell out of everything in order to fit on a single layer disc in order to ship - so my understanding was that DL discs were not allowed. Clearly they changed course on it, but it was kind of surprising - DVD was very much a mature technology at that point (it was nearly 10 years old when the Wii was released) so it seemed to me like they would have had to go out of their way to get drives that would have trouble reading DL discs.
If it turned out that it was just a bunch of dirty lenses - that's great! But you can understand why I thought what I did
And again, maybe it's not something that inspires confidence about the quality of the components...Hopefully not like that...I wonder what the next true 3D Mario will look like
Yes I have seen one in the wild
I was told this (sadly not shown inside the black box) in 2011 by a friend still in the industry who I pestered for info. Or rather I was told something along the lines of its an underclocked 48xx. I have no reason to doubt them but it is of course completely unverifiable. Note that this does not mean that it was an off the shelf card. Just that it was a discrete entity and not part of an MCM.Is it too beautiful?
Too boring. Lacks any intetesting style and seems to be just three colors.
He's like in a tiny area. Who says the style wouldn't be amazing? I'm looking more at poly counts and visual fidelity.
Well sure, poly coint wise it's fine. But overall that picture looks boring and not at all like Mario.
He looks exactly like Mario.
I was talking more about the level. Decaying evironment thay is supper shiny. Muted colors. Trying too hard to be realistic.
Well I think, when humans communicate regarding things like whether something is impressive or not that it's defacto an opinion and not a universal fact.
ElectricKaibutsu
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I remember this picture. It completely blew my mind as a kid.I wonder what the next true 3D Mario will look like
Shin Johnpv
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I said nothing of the sort. I said your experience was not the norm. Does shit happen, ofcourse it does, to every system. That said how ever Nintendo has always had the lowest failure rating in the industry, and they put out hardware that is meant to last. Again no multi-voltage charger is different from a shit PS that could burn itself or the system out. It's also different than the specially ordered DVD drives coming out of the factory with a little dirty lens, which shouldn't have happened though it did.
No it's not the same as saying that. Can you really not grasp the difference between something that effects the longevity of a system, and something that is done for convenience? They are two separate issues and one does not dictate the likely outcome of the other.
If they were mathematically correlateble that would be true, but the failure rate of the PS3 to the Wii was 5 to 1 overall and 10 to 1 for the 360 both do there constant revisions that stabilized around the release of the slim(but is yet still higher than the Wii). The slim releases lowered the numbers. Getting supposedly twice as much overall playtime yet failing over 5 times as much is still telling of poor product quality.
In this instance the only purpose those uncorrelated times serve is as an attempt to kick dirt at something that levied heavily favorable toward Nintendo, or to find something negative to place in the line of sight. It contributes nothing else. You don't even have links to official sources to back it up in which case it still wouldn't tell what you are trying to make tell. This is a misappropriation of statistics, that aren't backed once again, to mean something they don't show.
Smurfman256
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I wonder what the next true 3D Mario will look like
why is Mario reflecting a sky-box when he's inside?
Because its pretty. Duh
N/o, but that pic looks like shit. That's not the Mario-game I want to see, ever. (I know you're all just laughing with he picture)
Also, thanks BG, Fourth Storm etc. for a couple of your new takes and thoughts about the Wii U hw
prag16
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Hate to quote myself, but wanted to make sure some of the more tech savvy guys that had been here throughout (the most likely to have an answer) see it.
The persecution neurosis of Nintendo fans is bizzare sometimes.
Some of the other reasons for increased failure rates in addition to the fact that the wii, on average, was used less than half as much by users at the time of the study:
- MS' rush to market for this particular product meant lack of QC in first iteration which was fixed, something about lead free soldier + inappropriate heat-sink bracket or something.
- PS3 + 360 were cutting edge and very powerful machines = more heat, more points of failure, bust also customers got a lot of hardware bang for their buck
- the wii being very low power, low heat
- users not providing adequate ventilation, which affects powerful heat generating consoles more than consoles that are not
Using wii/ps3/360 failure rates in the years 2007-2008 even with taking the above into account, and making broad generalizations about Ninteendo/MS/Sony quality in totality is (I'm gonna say it) dumb.
I'm sorry if that offends, but dems the facts.
As to the quote I included in the previous post, it was from the article you linked. I guess I just assumed you had read it and knew that.
Edit: and maybe Nintendo is a paragon of quality and Sony and MS shit pedlars, I have no clue. But linking some SquareTrade stats from 07-08 isn't proof of anything except cutting edge hardware has more problems than old tech.
phosphor112
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Why are we talking about failure rates? Higher power requirements always increase failure rates. Were PS3 and 360 failures acceptable? No.
But hell. I've had friends need to replace their Wii's more than I had to for my 1 PS3 that went bad.
Shit happens. Especially for mass quantity products.
Let's just get back to the GPU discussion please.
But hell. I've had friends need to replace their Wii's more than I had to for my 1 PS3 that went bad.
Shit happens. Especially for mass quantity products.
Let's just get back to the GPU discussion please.
It is tangentially related, as K was arguing that Nintendo makes very high quality products because 07-08 squaretrade warranty survey proves that, which means high efficiency power supply in wii u, which means better latte gpu, or something like that.
Its not as bad the way anyone who calls out a uncredible post regarding Nintendo gets accused of things like "persecution neurosis" and having a victim mentality. The thing is that a lot of people do what you did and they almost always do it in the same way, ie moving the goal post, trying to make an issue of a non-issue, or in this case redirecting the issue/misdirection to tweak the argument in a way the person finds more favorable.
I posted facts, backed with links to directly correlated to a post that said that Nintendo pinches pennies on quality which the links I post clearly show otherwise.
Your post, which had no links or anything directly correlating it with what was being discussed, was posted with no other discernible purpose than to kick dirt for reasons that most people can easily glean.
There is nothing else to it.
The failure rate I posted was covering 2006-2012 not just 2007-2008. Otherwise it wouldn't have included the slims...
phosphor112
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I missed that.
And that's a silly argument.
07-08 numbers?
What about all the Wii's that started to fail in 2009-11 because of their disc drives?
Also, like I said. Lower power means less problems. Nintendo has always made no a no frills console.
I mean.. hell... look at all their consoles and handhelds, then look at 3DS and Wii.
The failure rates and hardware repair rates are a lot higher than any other of their devices simply because these products are starting to do more and more. You start getting drive errors, errors within the OS/firmware, hinges on your handheld breaking, screens getting scratched... etc. No console manufacturer is prone to these things.
i humbly apologize for 'kicking dirt' in the honorable Mr Nintendo's face then.
PS I only looked at the Squaretrade numbers because I don't know and don't care to know what "no fuss review scores" is or where they get their numbers.
Agree totally. I should also like to mention that none of these companies actually manufactures these things. I wouldn't be surprised if all three of the upcoming consoles come from the same Foxconn work camp.
phosphor112
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I don't know if it's an EU thing, but the consoles have to use lead free soldering, which doesn't hold up as well during heating/cooling. It's a shame really.
I think the ban was really necessary because products weren't being treated properly by the recyclers. I remember seeing some horrific pictures of whole towns poisoned because the #1 industry was electronics recycling (mainland China). You had kids picking components off boards, everywhere were mountains of e-waste, and poisoned groundwater, really sad and depressing.
I will admit to having a stash of lead based soldier though for personal hobby use, cuz yeah, the lead free stuff is much harder to work with.
phosphor112
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That sucks. Maybe we can find an alternative that works better some day that isn't as harmful.
That is Mr. Postslinks, Mr. Logic, or Mr. SEGA.
I have no particular love for Nintendo as I am a PC gamer. I do think Nintendo is a better game developer and hardware maker than Sony, but that's is in its on analytical context.
Sorry for calling out your attempt at making a non sequitur argument and use of false equivalence.
phosphor112
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The hostility needs to stop from all people. It's annoying.
yup. sorry for contributing to that.
lostinblue
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Yup.
Hostility is futile and doesn't help anyone when it comes to expressing opinions and hypothesis, which is what everyone that actually participates here aims to.
You guys doing that, are being counter-productive for yourselves. I'm sure I also was somewhat hostile in some situations before, because it's like water-rock erosion: water may be soft, but if it goes through rock too many times it'll leave a trail; and that gets to your nerves; with reason or not is not the issue, since you've gone ballistic. (not saying anyone is right in spite of the other, it's normal to be passionate about shit you lost hours making an hypothesis about)
But, unless you're answering it while drawing the line and never really make it personal you're better giving it a time-out.
phosphor112
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Yes. I myself need that reminder. I get soooo hotheaded at times.
Anyway... if we want to discuss failure rates, let's do it in an objective and cordial manner.
Untalkative bunny you mean sorry for "initiating" not contributing. Stop trying to play innocent after the fact.
One thing that all of the regular poster who come here to analyze absolutely despise is when people come here to make claims while providing not a single link, known quote or verifiable/credible reference to back it up, and then get mad when the credibility of what they say is called into question.
There is no hostility on my part. I asked you to support your claim and explain how it related to my post, and you instead responded with hostility and still no links. That is not how a discussion or analysis works. When you make an unfounded claim you provide substantial material to back it up.
Or is it hostile to ask someone to explain themselves when their point it not clear?
If you have nothing else to add then i will get back to what the topic was before it was skewed.
One thing that all of the regular poster who come here to analyze absolutely despise is when people come here to make claims while providing not a single link, known quote or verifiable/credible reference to back it up, and then get mad when the credibility of what they say is called into question.
There is no hostility on my part. I asked you to support your claim and explain how it related to my post, and you instead responded with hostility and still no links. That is not how a discussion or analysis works. When you make an unfounded claim you provide substantial material to back it up.
Or is it hostile to ask someone to explain themselves when their point it not clear?
If you have nothing else to add then i will get back to what the topic was before it was skewed.
phosphor112
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If we can max it out... put full load on it... it should draw more than 75w (which is what it's rated).
Then you take the PSU power rating divided by the power draw from the wall, then you should get your efficiency as a percentage.
For example.
If it pulled 100w from the wall. You'd go:
75/100 = 75% power efficiency
Or 93w from the wall:
75/93 = ~80% power efficient
The big problem is... how would we put that much load on the PSU in the first place? Lol.
Chill out.
Huh??? I am chill. I'm just calling out his actions.
All I did was ask him to verify what he said and pointed out the flaws in his argument just the same as when you called my statement about multiple Project Cars logs being posted , and I quote, "bullshit" only to later be proved wrong. How is that hostile?
This is a logical discussion. If you don't like what you say being called into question then you are going to have a difficult time here. I am not supposed to take any and everything you say at face value without questioning it.
Agreed. And the 360 situation was even worse - I know several people that have gone through 3 or 4 consoles which is just plain ridiculous. The Wii was the first Nintendo console I ever bought and since then I've bought both a 3DS and Wii U and am not worried at all about them dying on me, even 10 years later, given Nintendo's reputation. I'm more worried about my PS4 when I get it next year, but then I'm letting millions of people being Beta Testers for me lol
lostinblue
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I don't believe that.
Even if you did abuse them, they're supposed to last longer than a measly week. Shit happens and it happened to you twice.
It's just not the norm.
I agree they're petty, but for me that's part of their region lock mindset fiasco.
It has to change as a whole, no doubt, but they clearly think if it is a UK 3DS it shouldn't be functioning in US, it's no more about the pennies than it is about stupid policies.
They were panicking at that point. Still you're right Nintendo must have discouraged Dual Layer discs throughout most of the Wii's lifespan.All I know is that I heard on very good authority that a very big third-party release that used FMV extensively and was planning to ship on a dual layer disc around the time the Brawl fiasco was unfolding failed certification because Nintendo was refusing to release anything on a DL disc. They were forced to recompress the hell out of everything in order to fit on a single layer disc in order to ship - so my understanding was that DL discs were not allowed. Clearly they changed course on it, but it was kind of surprising - DVD was very much a mature technology at that point (it was nearly 10 years old when the Wii was released) so it seemed to me like they would have had to go out of their way to get drives that would have trouble reading DL discs.
If it turned out that it was just a bunch of dirty lenses - that's great! But you can understand why I thought what I did
Which game was that? If possible I like to put faces on names.
Regarding the issue, it's not so much about the quality of the components as it was something they overlooked and shouldn't have. Had the Wii read DVD video they would have discovered that day one; so yeah it's hard to understand, but they really took a while because they were avoiding DL's due to cost and the fact Nintendo is really space conscious, even on the Wii U, Pikmin 3 takes 3.9 GB, at this point they only went with something bigger to satisfy third parties.
I'm a witness to that. I have two 360's. Both Red Ringed. I'm not buying another one.
My PS3 freezes a lot, and has corrupt data on the hard drive that formats will not fix, but no major issues have happened aside from that to my knowledge.
The Wii I bought(preowned) had apparently been damaged and the DVD drive stopped spinning, but I replace it myself and haven't had a single problem since, and I was a person who played his Wii a LOT contrary to the statistics.
I did encounter a common problem with my DS. The L button stopped working and one day. Also while I was out around with my DS in my pocket the video on my top screen stopped working. That was after after few years of extensive use though.
My 3DS has had no problem whatsoever.
Any suggestions? I'm willing to risk my wii u power supply for science (lol) & have some basic electronics gear + experience.
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