You still get gear and gain power level much more easily in M+ than in progression raiding. If the goal is to make it so the bleeding edge no-lifers aren't horning in on the ability for mediocre DPS players to do relevant content, then they can only do it by ruining the quality of the rewards for everyone. It's a catch-22.
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You still get gear and gain power level much more easily in M+ than in progression raiding. If the goal is to make it so the bleeding edge no-lifers aren't horning in on the ability for mediocre DPS players to do relevant content, then they can only do it by ruining the quality of the rewards for everyone. It's a catch-22.
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Cartographer : I disagree. Right now I can't get into groups on my paladin or Rogue because they'Re not "high enough" while my warrior gets instant invites. Right now the same super geared people are doing most of the runs and it hardly helps push people forward (either because they get carried because they happen to have the right key for that group or because they can't run their own key in the first place because no one wants to join a group that won't guarentee them 3 chests)
Once the 3 chests mandate is gone, I'm prety sure groups will be easier to form and lead to completion with right minded people, because right now, it's not the case.
Dog Problems
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jaundicejuice
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Even if someone is from a different realm, can you group up, do a trade, use the slot where the item isn't being traded and enchant their gear?
Basically this is a round about way of me asking if I can give Dog Problems a free Surveying enchant.
I agree entirely.
I started playing WoW in WoD and Legion is the first time I've started to legitimately run raids outside of LFR. I've been running Nighthold for weeks, not getting anything. Then I ran the LFR wing of Nighthold with Elisande to quickly complete a part of my Legendary crafting quest and got my first legitimate tier piece ever, it was a 900ilvl titanforge from LFR. If I was only running LFR, it probably would've been amazing, but instead it just kind of pissed me off. I proceeded to get 3 other tier pieces from Normal Nighthold and the LFR piece is better than all of them by 10-15 ilvls. I know I'm not progression raiding or tackling Heroic or Mythic Nighthold like most of you are but in what world should I be getting better gear from easier content? Titanforging is stupid.
They shouldn't be changing Mythic+ rewards in 7.2.5, they should be changing Titanforging. They're addressing the symptom, not the problem.
Basically this is a round about way of me asking if I can give Dog Problems a free Surveying enchant.
I agree entirely.
I started playing WoW in WoD and Legion is the first time I've started to legitimately run raids outside of LFR. I've been running Nighthold for weeks, not getting anything. Then I ran the LFR wing of Nighthold with Elisande to quickly complete a part of my Legendary crafting quest and got my first legitimate tier piece ever, it was a 900ilvl titanforge from LFR. If I was only running LFR, it probably would've been amazing, but instead it just kind of pissed me off. I proceeded to get 3 other tier pieces from Normal Nighthold and the LFR piece is better than all of them by 10-15 ilvls. I know I'm not progression raiding or tackling Heroic or Mythic Nighthold like most of you are but in what world should I be getting better gear from easier content? Titanforging is stupid.
They shouldn't be changing Mythic+ rewards in 7.2.5, they should be changing Titanforging. They're addressing the symptom, not the problem.
Dog Problems
Banned
That would be appreciated. If it doesn't work the way you mentioned, how do I go about getting it?
jaundicejuice
Member
Never thought I'd say this but I miss having to channel Soothing Mists and having Chi as a secondary resource. I also miss the stance switching and being a ghetto Wind Walker when I want. It's hard to judge Legion Mistweaver since I'm super low level on this Alli toon and don't have the full kit yet but it's kind of boring. I just channel Effuse or Enveloping Mists and just sort of stand there and then channel Soothing Mists. If I hadn't talented Zen Pulse I wouldn't have much to do.
Legacy dungeons are so easy that I've just started to cast Envolping Mists on tanks and start dps'ing the mobs with them.
Legacy dungeons are so easy that I've just started to cast Envolping Mists on tanks and start dps'ing the mobs with them.
At 110, Mistweaver will still lean heavily on Enveloping Mist.. plus TFT on cooldown and REM on cooldown. Revival and/or Vivify when you need AoE burst healing. Artifact weapon when you need single-target burst, very good tool for mana conservation.
I rarely if ever use Effuse. If I'm just doing maintenance healing on the tank I'll EM and then let SM channel, just like you are doing while leveling up in 5 mans.
decided to level up some alts, primarily a mage and hunter, with the possibility of a Druid as well. Not doing any quests, but just quickly logging in whenever the legion assaults take place, rest of the time playing my main.
I enjoyed leveling in the Legion areas the first time, but going through them again is just such a chore.
I enjoyed leveling in the Legion areas the first time, but going through them again is just such a chore.
While I agree TF feels out of hand this expansion, it's weird you'd get pissed off by getting a ilvl900 piece of gear from LFR, when their stated goal for TF being able to go so high was to always give people a chance at a worthwhile reward/upgrade while doing any facets of the game which rewarded gear.
jaundicejuice
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I didn't play much MW in WoD but the weird part to me is how everything interrupts Soothing Mist. If memory serves, Soothing Mist used to be a quick insta-cast maintenance HoT that you had to constantly refresh, Effuse was instantaneous on the Soothing Mist target and had a channel when cast on its own. Now Soothing Mist is a weird HoT throttle after your channeled healing spells and everything interrupts it.
I'm definitely missing pieces not being 100 or having the artifact but it feels strange.
I've been legitimately raiding for the first time since I started playing WoW. I've been getting nothing but gold and AP for weeks, even off of bonus rolls, then I get a better piece of gear from easier content than I've been able to earn from a higher difficulty since. I'll probably have to run Heroic Nighthold to get a better piece of gear to replace a piece from LFR.
LFR should not reward better gear than a normal raid. It doesn't feel rewarding, it doesn't feel like I earned it. It's pure dumb luck, it's totally haphazard.
You know about the shortcut from the entrance into the ballroom, right? A surprising amount of people don't!
In old Kara it used to open on Moroes's death, I'm not sure what criteria it uses now; possibly the same.
Edit: Actually, I've not done Lower Kara Mythic+, I suppose it's possible the way the two halves are locked from one another would prevent you from taking that?
The one you are talking about is the same, but in Lower Kara Moroes is effectively the final boss so there's no real shortcut opened, though you can opt to kill Moroes 3rd and possibly use it as a shortcut to Attumen on a runback, though I didn't check how it sectioned us off. On Upper Kara keys it forces you onto Curator's stair path so I'd imagine some routes are locked.
For me it was a bad pull around Moroes with 3 of the pink arcane blob thingies nuking our group (AOE debuff for like 1.5 million damage on 3 people, plus Quaking, plus packed areas meant people not spread far enough out), as well as a healer that released once when they shouldn't. Probably added 5 minutes onto the timer.
Ah, I generally do Moroes third anyway, unless someone needs the basement. So much less trash if you jump off the balcony next to the opera house entrance directly into his room.
But that said, that's without making any considerations about trash percentages; possibly that skips too much stuff. Could perhaps alleviate it by clearing more of the ballroom?
You're not missing that much being level 100, and all the artifact gives you is a free single-target heal that builds charges over time, and becomes more powerful the longer you don't use it. In 5 mans MW is great, mobility and utility with lots of burst healing. In raids it is super easy to run out of mana because the raid healing abilities are very costly. You have to either do single-target or raid healing, not both.
jaundicejuice
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If Mistweaver is more than viable in 5 mans in current content, that's mostly what I'm concerned with. I dunno if I'll be able to PUG raids as easily as a BM main/MW off-spec as I can a Mage--I do not want to try and tank raids yet--but it should help me get into or create my own Mythic0/+ groups more easily.
Enosh
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looks pretty cool and matches the heroic NH set
finally managed to do it, took like a month ^^, 903 ilvl and iirc 46 traits, probably had some 40+ tries on it I think, is there any way to check?
could have probably done it with less traits but kept making silly mistakes that killed me and RNGesus was very generous on the kill with his positioning on the arcane phase when he hides
Getting my mage to 110 slowly through invasion while also working on the class quests (Archmage Vargoth's Travels), I noticed something funny. The Follower missions for mages, the ones that are level 102, ask for a counter (Blizzard) that only followers at 109 minimum have and this makes the missions take longer. So instead of the missions taking 2 hours (1 hour if I could counter) they take 3. I can only guess how much longer it would take before the time decrease for everyone.
A little search shows that not only was this reported back in Septmber of 2016, but it was also reported in Beta. And you guys say Blizzard loves mages.
A little search shows that not only was this reported back in Septmber of 2016, but it was also reported in Beta. And you guys say Blizzard loves mages.
Sax Russel
Banned
Well Feretory of Souls is now the last possible leg I can get for destro. So at least I know I can look forward to it like that? -_____-
AlimNassor
Banned
How do Legion Invasions work? I'm so confused. I've gotten to 100 got my artifact and I'm so lost and confused. Why do these legion mobs one shot me? I'm confused.
The Invasion mobs oneshot you because, despite scaling down in level and stats, they are still stronger than normal mobs your level, so they have a lot more HPs as well as hitting much harder.
Invasions are a glimpse of what you'll be doing at 110. 6 world quests pop up when an Invasion is active and you have 6 hours to complete them to get a nice boost in exp as well a some lesser rewards (while leveling up). At 110 the rewards will be nethershards (to acquire gear and special items, like the 500 int-str-agi/750 sta one) + gold/resources/ap/gear and the ability to complete a scenario for some more rewards (gear, ap and nethershards).
AlimNassor
Banned
I didn't get these WQs. Where do I get them? I literally went to HM where the Invasion was and tried fighting only to die. I 1 group and they auto-kicked me for being too low of an ilevel. So clearly these invasions are structured towards 10 only.
Enosh
Member
is this your first character or do you have a main?
quite sure you need to have one character at 110 and unlocked world quest on it to be able to see the invasion world quest on your alts
So it turns out the recent concerns over the win-trading bans weren't entirely unfounded
Most of the people that got got probably were still involved in win-trading, but it sounds like there were indeed some false positives.
Most of the people that got got probably were still involved in win-trading, but it sounds like there were indeed some false positives.
AlimNassor
Banned
Now that I'm 100 and entering legion I feel defeated to say the least. I really and earnestly do feel defeated. Do I really need 800+ ilevel to survive against anything here? Speakin of which Frost DKs have a real hard rotation and i'ts frustrating me to no end.
jaundicejuice
Member
Switch to Blood if you feel like you're having troubles surviving PVE as a DK.
If you are 100, all you need to do is follow quest lines. Stay out of invasions if they are too difficult. Those are mainly ment for 110 players. Focus on questing and leveling and before you know it you will be 110 and you will unlock world quests.
Edit: I think I ment to reply to your earlier post. I find Frost a lot of fun but if you are having issues, you can try Blood. It's very hard to die as blood when leveling.
Level 100 just feels rough because it's scaled around expecting you to have like Draenor gear that's decent while you're likely in quest greens from there. Get the artifact weapon and a full set of legion greens and things level off.
As far as invasions go, I would hold off till around 102 or 104, but they are more than doable early on. The game scales your damage and the damage you take in them while you're levelling as well as in normal dungeons.
jaundicejuice
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The scaling in Legion is pretty whack if you're not 100 and/or have an equivalent item level from WoD's end-game or the pre-Legion invasion event gear. Any tank spec can overcome that weird gap in the scaling and the difficulty quickly smooths out once you have some basic Legion PVE gear.
Got my first legendary yesterday from a worldquest that nice trinket Archimonde's Hatred Reborn.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=144249/archimondes-hatred-reborn
Very nice for my bear tank right now.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=144249/archimondes-hatred-reborn
Very nice for my bear tank right now.
I managed to duo heal normal Nighthold with a paladin on Mistweaver yesterday (normal, yeah, but given our gear...) and it wasn't that bad. MP concerns were definitely a thing, and on Mythic MP pool would probably get devastated, but on this level I was pretty evenly on HPS with the paladin and even solo healed Elisande from almost the start to 30% of phase 3 when the paladin disconnected.
Blizzard clearly wants to pretend Soothing Mists is our primary source of healing but it's impractical when it's so slow and the only real mechanic that goes with it is the Yulon statue, and it's not much. They need to do something about MP, but they might fear that if our AOE abilities were more spammable Mistweaver would get a bit too strong.
But then again, nobody is out to stop Druids from being so strong in healing.
Blizzard clearly wants to pretend Soothing Mists is our primary source of healing but it's impractical when it's so slow and the only real mechanic that goes with it is the Yulon statue, and it's not much. They need to do something about MP, but they might fear that if our AOE abilities were more spammable Mistweaver would get a bit too strong.
But then again, nobody is out to stop Druids from being so strong in healing.
Use Frostscythe if you think the rotation is difficult. You have 3 buttons plus a couple of cooldowns, and that's it. It removes Obliterate from your rotation entirely.
I want this so much on my Demon Hunter.
Grats on the legendary!
Recently got back into the game and now have my Demon Hunter at 869 ilvl and my priest at 879 or so. I still need to unlock my third relic on my DH and am only on the quest that requires me to get an item from normal Vaults. I need to get that done ASAP.
I'm liking the island and the structure of the quests. The invasions are fun if only but a bit annoying because of the random times they happen. Still, I'm going to see if I level up my DK or my Warlock through them. How are Locks right now? I haven't REALLY played one since BC. Fun?
I have a lot of alts at 110 right now, but out of all of them, I've been playing a Destro Lock the most lately. I got lucky to get the Feretory of Souls legendary right away, and I went for the Nighthold 2-piece set as well from LFR. I tried a number of different talent setups before settling on Backdraft, Empowered Life Tap, Fire and Brimstone, Grimoire of Service, Soul Conduit. That provides you with strong AoE tools, as well as really good single-target burst if you blow all 3 charges of your artifact weapon. You give up way too much AoE capability using Soul Harvest over FnB.
After playing a Shaman and a Fire Mage for the early part of Legion, it is gratifying to be so tanky. Destruction is super durable.
Hmm thinking of a third class to start leveling now. My Shammy is sitting at 897 ilvl and my Tauren Warrior is newly at 110. Feel like I want to give a ranged caster class a chance, what's more fun to play between Mages and Warlocks? Also which has the more interesting order campaign? Been thinking about doing a DK sometime as well since I heard it has a really interesting order campaign.
DK has the best order campaign by far (that I've played). Rogue was pretty good too.
Priest and Shaman were the wooooorst.
Locks were somewhere in the middle but overall it was a fun experience.
Haven't started my mage yet. I played the intro back on the beta and it was pretty cool though.
Druid is also very solid.
HarryDemeanor
Member
When did they unlock the quests for Throne of the Tides? Haven't done Vashj'ir at all on my DK and saw the quests were available. Greatest change ever.
Basically all dungeon quests for old dungeons are at the entrance of each dungeon now.
cartographer
Member
I feel bad for anybody that tried to kill a bear in the brawl this week. Fun brawl though. I'd rank them Winter Arathi, this one and then the gravity EotS so far.
I didn't really like DK, but I've never really been all that into them as far as lore goes, anyway. Just not my thing.
Mage might have been the worst for me because it seems to be the most forgettable. I just didn't care all that much about what was going on. Shaman gets a shout out for being seemingly pointless and anti-climatic
I liked rogue, though I know a lot of Horde rogues just sort of scratch their heads at it.
I didn't really like DK, but I've never really been all that into them as far as lore goes, anyway. Just not my thing.
Mage might have been the worst for me because it seems to be the most forgettable. I just didn't care all that much about what was going on. Shaman gets a shout out for being seemingly pointless and anti-climatic
in addition to the whole Neptulon thing. And the Magatha thing. And unless they fixed it on the PTR, the mount thing, too.
I liked rogue, though I know a lot of Horde rogues just sort of scratch their heads at it.
I actually quite liked the Shaman campaign, though I've always had a fondness for the elements. And Cata was one of my favorite expansions, so going back to Firelands, Vortex Pinnacle, and Deepholm to say wassup to Therazane was pretty cool to me.
On the other hand, I thought the Druid campaign was crap, and I did it twice. A whole bunch of nothing happens, and in the ending scenario they could've done so much with it with you going around helping the ancients and whatnot, but you kill 6 infernals, fill the bar to 100% and you're done. Really felt lacking in epic-ness, mostly for the final scenario.
Got my second legendary for Fury today. It's Naj'entus's Vertebrae - pretty happy with that. The first was the bubble-necklace, which I wasn't thrilled about, though it can be kind of helpful for soloing.
It's really annoying. And on top of the crash, it resets some odd settings in my interface tab (locks action bars and turns off scrolling combat text, for some reason), so every time I crash I have to re-enable those settings. It really fucks with your head! I don't even risk any more, for the most part. I either do class hall stuff via the app or I use whatever hearths are available to get out of there, even if it means going Garrison -> Ashran -> Orgrimmar -> Dalaran. Beats a DC and a Being John Malkovich-esque dump out in the back end of Aszuna....
It's really annoying. And on top of the crash, it resets some odd settings in my interface tab (locks action bars and turns off scrolling combat text, for some reason), so every time I crash I have to re-enable those settings. It really fucks with your head! I don't even risk any more, for the most part. I either do class hall stuff via the app or I use whatever hearths are available to get out of there, even if it means going Garrison -> Ashran -> Orgrimmar -> Dalaran. Beats a DC and a Being John Malkovich-esque dump out in the back end of Aszuna....
Early on Legion definitely can be rough without later draenor gear. I went in on my mage at 98 and only had greens from first couple draenor areas. But like others said, it really evened out after getting Legion greens. Just stick with it.
You'll experience something similar when you hit 110.
You'll experience something similar when you hit 110.