What about selling "your" games along with it?
or better
Will I be able to buy an used Xbox One?
What about selling "your" games along with it?
umm, it does raise an interesting question. I buy 15 XBone games. They are tied to my console and my account. i decide to sell my XBone. i delete all accounts. The games are still tied to the system, right? And anyone who ever owns that system has access to the games, right? What happens if the system is sold 15 times?
Here's a SwapNote comic I made to celebrate the news.
I can't believe you actually play as the Call of Duty Dog. The jokes write themselves, folks!
The "only loan to one friend" policy really gets to me but ultimately it's probably not enough to not buy the system.
Sorry to quote myself, but either there's a HUGE exploit waiting to happen, or you could find yourself in a situation where you can't play your own games on your own device, whether or not you own the disc.
What about selling "your" games along with it?
Just to clarify, you can't loan games to friends at all.
I don't understand why they don't just allow people to bypass the 24 hr check with an old-fashioned disc verification. Seems like that would be the simplest solution if they wanted to keep DRM and it would allow people to play offline just like they do currently.
umm, it does raise an interesting question. I buy 15 XBone games. They are tied to my console and my account. i decide to sell my XBone. i delete all accounts. The games are still tied to the system, right? And anyone who ever owns that system has access to the games, right? What happens if the system is sold 15 times?
They are tied to your tag/account but you have a home console. If you sell it the only way to sell games with it would be to give up your tag/account with the system. So there is no loophole to take advantage of.
Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.
Yeah, this is the biggest thing I don't get at all. Put unique codes on each disc.
Seems like it would be really simple.
They are tied to your tag/account but you have a home console. If you sell it the only way to sell games with it would be to give up your tag/account with the system. So there is no loophole to take advantage of.
That doesn't really jive with this bullet point:
Seems that you can play any game that's installed on the base machine no matter who is logged in at the time. An obvious limitation on this being the number of games you can have installed at any given time. If you clear space to install a new game, you would permanently lose access to one of those older games that you don't actually own but was installed on the system by the previous owner.
That doesn't really jive with this bullet point:
Seems that you can play any game that's installed on the base machine no matter who is logged in at the time. An obvious limitation on this being the number of games you can have installed at any given time. If you clear space to install a new game, you would permanently lose access to one of those older games that you don't actually own but was installed on the system by the previous owner.
That's why I've asked this hilarious question! No one did and MS is glad about it.
Since someone came up with disc verification or tagged discs, I wonder:
- I buy a Xbone and CoD: Ghosts
- I sell the console and the game
- someone buys my Xbone and buys another copy of Cod: Ghosts
Could there be issues with DRM? If you have no answers Microsoft still has more to clarify!
That doesn't really jive with this bullet point:
Seems that you can play any game that's installed on the base machine no matter who is logged in at the time. An obvious limitation on this being the number of games you can have installed at any given time. If you clear space to install a new game, you would permanently lose access to one of those older games that you don't actually own but was installed on the system by the previous owner.
Accept it won't have any games then since it's also tied to your tag/id.They disassociate their account and sell the box, containing all games. They then buy a new XB1, and reclaim their games. They repeat this process ad infinitum.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=580787
Accept it won't have any games then since it's also tied to your tag/id.
So you would sell a empty Xbone.
Yeah, this is the biggest thing I don't get at all. Put unique codes on each disc.
Seems like it would be really simple.
That would make retail copies clearly better than downloads. MS would rather sell you a download because all the money that would have gone towards retailers' cuts, BOM, shipping and warehousing goes in their pocket instead.
It would also function as a BOGO special. (Transfer license to someone else and keep the disc.)
So you mean it's ONLY tied to my tag, and not at all to my console.
EDIT: If my console has to have my tag associated with it, then the games aren't tied to my console in any way. They are tied to my console. If I sell my old XBone to my brother, and buy a new one, but I want all the games and all the same people to play on them, what do I do?
With the current system, it is tied to the console as well. The difference is that the console the content is tied to can use use it offline indefinitely. A console that just has your tag has to be always- on.
So you mean it's ONLY tied to my tag, and not at all to my console.
EDIT: If my console has to have my tag associated with it, then the games aren't tied to my console in any way. They are tied to my console. If I sell my old XBone to my brother, and buy a new one, but I want all the games and all the same people to play on them, what do I do?
Umm, I don't think that's true. i thought online checks have to happen every day?
Umm, I don't think that's true. i thought online checks have to happen every day?
You underestimate the laziness of the consumer. People would definitely download games to avoid punching in 20 character codes. Hell, that was a big marketing thing for Steam back after the initial launch with HL2.
My guess is, which make most sense, it's tied to both. But not independently. So without tag you cannot sell the games on it (other then maybe those approved retailers, but not your friend, etc).
And what you would do? I have absolutely NO IDEA. Good thing MS is really clear about this thing (irony).
My guess is, which make most sense, it's tied to both. But not independently. So without tag you cannot sell the games on it (other then maybe those approved retailers, but not your friend, etc).
And what you would do? I have absolutely NO IDEA. Good thing MS is really clear about this thing (irony).
Seriously...There are still so many unanswered questions, and with a system trying to be what it is, there is GUARANTEED to be an unnoticed loophole, or an unnoticed overstep of consumer rights. (as in, you can't play your games anymore.)
Wow..wouldn't put it past them.Forgive me if this has already been posited and I've missed it.
I would be inclined to think that the right of first sale laws would cover physical disc purchases with regard to being able to sell them, etc. Having said that, do you suppose it's possible that the way around this is by NOT including the entire composition of a game completely on the discs sold in stores, and then utilizing the cloud mechanism to fill in the missing gaps in the software package, thereby not actually giving you the full game at retail, but only a large portion of it?
It's really not that confusing. It sounds as if it works exactly the way XBLA games work now. For instance my daughter likes to play xbox live arcade games on the xbox in the living room. If it's the console that the game was bought on she only needs to log into her account and she has access to all of the XBLA games on the hard drive. If she tries to play a game on the xbox I have in my bedroom her profile only has access to the trial versions of those games. Otherwise it needs to be played on the profile that purchased the games and is also signed in to XBL. Sounds like the XB1 DRM is just a modification of that.
It's really not that confusing. It sounds as if it works exactly the way XBLA games work now. For instance my daughter likes to play xbox live arcade games on the xbox in the living room. If it's the console that the game was bought on she only needs to log into her account and she has access to all of the XBLA games on the hard drive. If she tries to play a game on the xbox I have in my bedroom her profile only has access to the trial versions of those games. Otherwise it needs to be played on the profile that purchased the games and is also signed in to XBL. Sounds like the XB1 DRM is just a modification of that.
Exactly. The way it is now, you can actually play the same game on two Xbox's with two different accounts. Someone can play a game on the original Xbox the game was purchased from with their account, and you can play the same purchased game on a different Xbox provided you are logged in to the original account the game was purchased with.
I just downloaded 3 items on my PS3 that are free for Plus members, I had to punch in my password for each one. Not a big deal but it still feels clunky and not very efficient. Perhaps the Xbox One will simply know who you are by looking at you, auto sign in and instant transactions.
Thank you, I actually didn't know how any of that worked. So what happens if you sell the main XBox? Are those games available to whoever buys them, or are they locked?
What are you talking about? You dont have to enter your password to download stuff off Plus everytime.I just downloaded 3 items on my PS3 that are free for Plus members, I had to punch in my password for each one. Not a big deal but it still feels clunky and not very efficient.
soooo, even if I delete all my info from the original box, you can still play the games i bought?
There is a license transfer tool that used to be web only but they have actually integrated into the settings of the 360. If you sell your Xbox then you wipe the HDD. On your new Xbox you just transfer the licenses using the tool and your new Xbox would act as your old Xbox. Very easy actually.
I guess I'm still not clear...why could you both play at the same time, under different GTs? Was it because your home box was associated with your GT? So if you had switched the home GT of your home box to a friends GT, you and your son would not be able to play the same game at the same time?
I just downloaded 3 items on my PS3 that are free for Plus members, I had to punch in my password for each one. Not a big deal but it still feels clunky and not very efficient. Perhaps the Xbox One will simply know who you are by looking at you, auto sign in and instant transactions.
Thank you, I actually didn't know how any of that worked. So what happens if you sell the main XBox? Are those games available to whoever buys them, or are they locked?,