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Industry fights back as YouTube begins mass cull of game videos
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Red Chocobo
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Wait. I thought it deleted them.
So you can still have the videos up as long as they are taking the money or if it isn't monetized?
I can't seem to get a clear answer on this. Some people say it's just monetized vids, and others tell me it's all vids :/
Mr. Enigma
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All of the videos are getting hit with Copyright Infringement notices, not a Copyright Takedown. What this means is there is no penalty to the owner's channel. The video is monetized and the copyright claimant gets the ad revenue cut instead of the uploader. The videos may also be blocked in certain parts of the world, but it remains on the account with no punishment to the uploader.
For example, some videos I upload get hit with Content ID matches immediately after upload. This means I can't monetize them, but Google is still going to place ads on them. Whatever entity owns the content that got matched gets the ad revenue split, not me. But my channel is not punished for uploading the video.
The middleman.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Ahh, thanks for clearing it up
While that sucks for people who do it as a job, I'm glad that people like me should be safe, as long as we don't monetize our vids.
ChiliManiac
Banned
This is steaming largely from third party copyright holders trying to lay claims to licensed in game assets if my understanding is correct.
jamesinclair
Banned
If your content is in there (ie, your commentary), isnt that theft?
Theyre making money off your work.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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You don't consider loss of income to be a punishment?
Mr. Enigma
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Ahh, thanks for clearing it up
While that sucks for people who do it as a job, I'm glad that people like me should be safe, as long as we don't monetize our vids.
If you have no interest in monetizing your videos, this will not affect you at all. This is affecting channels that used to be protected from this that are no longer protected.
What I meant was strictly disciplinary punishment in terms of account standing.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
They have to get permission otherwise YT gets sued out the ass
It is exclusionary not inclusionary.
AuthenticM
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We really need a good alternative to Youtube.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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It seems that quite a few of the claims belong to companies that are not related to any of the content in question or tangentially related to the company owning the content they are making a claim for. Some are making claims for companies that no longer exist and some are making claims for things they have absolutely no rights to (Persona/Russian actress plus some others I cannot remember at the moment).
This is all from that Sessler youtube stream the other day where they brought a number of people on to talk about the issue.
It seems Google essentially flipped the switch, stood back with their hands up and said "you guys fight it out" while at the same time not addressing the fact that the tools they provide to do this are incredibly inefficient and unresponsive.
This is all from that Sessler youtube stream the other day where they brought a number of people on to talk about the issue.
It seems Google essentially flipped the switch, stood back with their hands up and said "you guys fight it out" while at the same time not addressing the fact that the tools they provide to do this are incredibly inefficient and unresponsive.
Exactly, this is the opposite of what the major claim was yesterday. Now contentID claimers are stealing money from people using the content.
Wow...this is...if you're doing long term shows for money using advertising monetization, there is, quite literally, zero reason to keep using youtube if that's true.
Not really, since they didn't force you to use their copyrighted works in your video. And if you believe it is theft, read what you just wrote.
"If your content is in there (ie, your commentary), isnt that theft?", replace commentary with licensed music or cutscenes, isn't it the same thing then? You're making money off of their work.
You have to remember, this has been a wide net that was cast, some people barely had a few clips from the game or a few seconds of music and it was all commentary or advice, while others were pure cutscenes thrown up with no commentary, monetized by ads. Some people have uploaded endings, and monetized them with no commentary.
Another problem has been, that it's usually another company that has nothing to do with the video, making the claim. Some obscure record label, some obscure licensing company etc. Will really be interesting to see the aftermath of all of this.
More than that, we need a copyright law in the US that doesn't encourage the "Shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. Youtube's current problems are a symptom of the real issue.
More proof of content ID's defectiveness https://twitter.com/Duke_Bilgewater/status/411251475839324161
A copyright claim for a song that is not even in that video!
A copyright claim for a song that is not even in that video!
eot
Banned
What's needed is better copyright law
I got something like that on my Ducktales Remastered video where it said the Spanish version of the main theme was playing. This was during the Himalaya's level...in the English language version of the game.
Rediculous.
There's been a few times where YouTube has withheld what the copyright claims are actually about, only giving me the name of the company that filed the claim, usually having bizarre and completely unknown names that turn out to be somehow third-party linked to video game music publishers.
The whole thing is pretty shitty.
The whole thing is pretty shitty.
I must say I'm a bit amused by the dramatics and "the world is burning" attitude of some of these youtube personalities. TB is the first video on the subject I saw that seemed rational and didn't resort to hair on fire hysterionics. This will blow over after a short while; This can't possibly last. If it does last, sure, light the hair on fire. "Angry Joe" almost had tears running down his face after a day of losing revenue on a couple of his videos. C'mon, man, chill. I'm sure you'll make rent.
Mr. Enigma
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I uploaded an LP of Silent Hill 2 over a year ago. A few weeks ago, one of them got a strange Content ID claim from something called INgrooves. It said there was a song identified called "Suntribe-Deep Melodies (Psychosocial Remix)" that is pinponted right when the cutscene starts of James finding Eddie in the prison.
So even though it's a totally incorrect claim, INgrooves is now getting ad revenue from my video because they have 30 days to address my dispute. Even though I dispute it, they still get ad revenue during the period. The whole system is fucking lame.
I'm not sure this is the right thread but I couldn't find any other thread for YouTube game videos so.....
Anyway, I've been producing game videos for about 6 years now if not longer and have never had any real issues with YouTube apart from Konami having one of my behind closed doors PS3 tech demo videos of Meta Gear taken off YouTube
I currently do 2 shows being Retro Core 4, which features 2 or 3 games each show and battle of the Ports, which takes a look at various arcade ports / conversions to home formats.
Latest Battle of the Ports - Galaxy Force II - http://youtu.be/oHKqC3KYiyI
Latest Retro Core 4 - http://youtu.be/TKGQm_y-HMM
My YouTube channel - http://www.youtube.com/user/Yakumo1975
Anyway, I've been producing game videos for about 6 years now if not longer and have never had any real issues with YouTube apart from Konami having one of my behind closed doors PS3 tech demo videos of Meta Gear taken off YouTube
I currently do 2 shows being Retro Core 4, which features 2 or 3 games each show and battle of the Ports, which takes a look at various arcade ports / conversions to home formats.
Latest Battle of the Ports - Galaxy Force II - http://youtu.be/oHKqC3KYiyI
Latest Retro Core 4 - http://youtu.be/TKGQm_y-HMM
My YouTube channel - http://www.youtube.com/user/Yakumo1975
I doubt this is the thread to be promoting your youtube channel.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=746710&highlight=
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=746710&highlight=
SkeptiMism
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Self advertizing is kind of a no-no here I think, except for that thread linked above.I'm not sure this is the right thread but I couldn't find any other thread for YouTube game videos so.....
Anyway, I've been producing game videos for about 6 years now if not longer and have never had any real issues with YouTube apart from Konami having one of my behind closed doors PS3 tech demo videos of Meta Gear taken off YouTube
I currently do 2 shows being Retro Core 4, which features 2 or 3 games each show and battle of the Ports, which takes a look at various arcade ports / conversions to home formats.
Latest Battle of the Ports - Galaxy Force II - http://youtu.be/oHKqC3KYiyI
Latest Retro Core 4 - http://youtu.be/TKGQm_y-HMM
My YouTube channel - http://www.youtube.com/user/Yakumo1975
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