Louis Cyphre
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I'm trying to think of the timing for Blur. I liked that game but it failed as far as sales went.
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Driveclub director - 1080p/30FPS is absolutely the best for our game
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I'm trying to think of the timing for Blur. I liked that game but it failed as far as sales went.
Portugeezer
Member
It's not that weird on consoles. Last gen I played a few which were 30fps (Dirt series, Grid series, PGR series, Forza Horizon). Not a big deal for me, I'm glad they stuck to 30fps.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Blur had one of the stupidest ad campaigns ever. Wasn't the least bit surprised when it bombed.
What in the hell were Acti thinking with that Mario Kart ad...
Fun Factor
Formerly FTWer
So they changed it from the 250,000 polygons per car like it was originally going to be?
Does Forza 5 have like 1 million + polygon modeled cars?
Fun Factor
Formerly FTWer
Didn't Amped & Fight Night 4 runs at 60fps as well?
During the autovista mode where it's just a single car in a closed environment for show, it probably does. During races, definitely no.
DemonCleaner
Member
no. why do you think that?
DemonCleaner
Member
your not really suggesting that they created seperate models only for autovista mode? that would make no sense whatsoever. to enhance polycount without remodeling you could only apply subdivide or smooth mesh to your models which really does not add any detail and should be barely noticeable with already high poly models.
they likely just use enhanced shader precision and a fully dynamic lighting system in AV mode.
Droopaloop
Banned
Damn right. Drive club needs Kudos.
I'm suggesting they created a very high poly model and then downgraded the polycount for in-game race models. It's a known fact Turn10 use different LOD models in terms of polycount, amongst other details like textures and shaders. They started doing this with Forza 3. Lighting in autovista is also pre-baked btw. Forza 5 boasting "1 million polygons" per car is just another T10 PR talk that doesn't apply to the actual racing part of the game.
A.I low poly model during in-game race
Autovista
Same example from Forza 4
The most important thing in racing games to me is a sense of speed. Higher framerates always do a better job of conveying that sense of speed. 720p and 60fps would have been better. They say the 1080p allows everything to be more detailed, but I'm not gonna get the game to look at menus and screenshots, I want to actually play it.
DemonCleaner
Member
I'm suggesting they created a very high poly model and then downgraded the polycount for in-game race models. It's a known fact Turn10 use different LOD models in terms of polycount, amongst other details like textures and shaders. They started doing this with Forza 3. Lighting in autovista is also pre-baked btw. Forza 5 boasting "1 million polygons" per car is just another T10 PR talk that doesn't apply to the actual racing part of the game.
A.I low poly model during in-game race
Autovista
well apart from that looking like a bug in LOD scaling, it's exactly what im talking of (while being a bit of an extreme example). the headlight barrel is subdivided in considarble less parts in game than in AV mode. thats not the same as if you would add actually extra details in AV mode as e.g. a fully poligonal modeled exhaust system instead of just a textured exhaust in game. no one would do that, hence you would have to model your car twice (=expensive).
the rest just is a difference in material shading (more layers) in combination with decent lighting.
Arguably forza/forza horizon are stylistically even more similar, they even share the same name. Yet horizon has been lauded as one of the best racing games of last gen. To anyone at enjoys racing games,there is a huge difference between a sim approach like GT/forza, and a more relaxed approach to handling with horizon/PGR and hopefully driveclub
GamingIsDead
Member
Currently, yes it's nowhere even close.
Now before anyone freaks out yes i know the game is still in development but this is what i've been seeing for 2 years now and i'm getting the feeling a lot of these assets will end up being permanent.
Just downloaded a new update today and this is what I'm getting the majority of the tracks as far as detail goes.
DemonCleaner
Member
glorious pc gaming master race
Wow that looks bad on PC, like nfs level bad. All i had seen was the screenshots on pc and i guess the game is inconsistent visually? I mean, i've seen some videos and they looked decent but if thats on pc, wow. Its not even close. There is a generational gap in environments and lighting.
That's because you are looking at 4 (or 3, could be double Le Mans?) non finished tracks with a lot of temp assets.
Don't they also render the whole engine bay under the hood in autovista? There's no point in having that rendered when you can't even see it during a race, the damage system doesn't even allow for the hood to pop off. It's a waste of resources, especially for a game that's striving for a constant 60fps, and actually manages to pull it off very well. I'm not even sure why this argument started in the first place; the race models are no where near 1 million polygons, you're suggesting otherwise?
The Forza 4 example is basically the opposite of what you're saying. Forza 5 uses the same techniques.
midomidi2013
Banned
Haha, not really. 60 fps makes a big difference for racers. Sim racers like more accurate physics and such. The graphics just happen to be a plus.
HORRORSHØW
Member
Don't they also render the whole engine bay under the hood in autovista? There's no point in having that rendered when you can't even see it during a race, the damage system doesn't even allow for the hood to pop off. It's a waste of resources, especially for a game that's striving for a constant 60fps, and actually manages to pull it off very well. I'm not even sure why this argument started in the first place; the race models are no where near 1 million polygons, you're suggesting otherwise?
The Forza 4 example is basically the opposite of what you're saying. Forza 5 uses the same techniques.
god damn that's ugly.
It's a good thing Driveclub isn't a sim racer then.
HORRORSHØW
Member
i think they're releasing a full-race gameplay video on friday. we'll see, though.
flipswitch
Member
Didn't they say this Friday we'll have something? Probably gameplay.
Ryoohki360
Neo Member
30 fps is awful for a racer, you can easily feel a racing game dropping from 60 to 50 fps. People that accept 30 are the same people that are willing to say : Ah ok Mr government, this tax will only be for 2 years, then 10 years later they accept it has normal.
They gradually but slowly make you accept thing that you wouldn't tolerate before has normal and Ok.
Racing games should be constructed as base at 60fps on console just like fighting games.
On pc it's another story since the dev use x setup and you make it the way you want to be
They gradually but slowly make you accept thing that you wouldn't tolerate before has normal and Ok.
Racing games should be constructed as base at 60fps on console just like fighting games.
On pc it's another story since the dev use x setup and you make it the way you want to be
Those 2 tracks haven't been updated in ages nor have their polish pass started and will certainly not look like that in release. For example both of those have only placeholder trees and no 3D trees yet. Try out Brands or Infineon for ones that are closer to release quality.
Or offscreen gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afUkipaL3Z0
I think they both look absolutely brilliant and either looking "horrible" is just huge hyperbole. They both do suffer from some IQ issues (at least with the build I played last December) and have their own strengths (Dynamic GI vs more cars on grid etc, 30fps vs 60fps). That said, the screenshots we've seen from DC are certainly not gameplay direct feed; that sort of IQ will not be present in the final game.
SniperHunter
Banned
That video looked fantastic - really excited to see how Driveclub compares in gameplay.
amstradcpc
Member
Why don´t they allow us to choose a 720p 60fps option?.
You got a hell of a bug in that 500 pic. Care to elaborate what you did to get that low poly model? I can only imagine you entered photomode, go far away from a car, zoomed in to get a lowest lod possible?I'm suggesting they created a very high poly model and then downgraded the polycount for in-game race models. It's a known fact Turn10 use different LOD models in terms of polycount, amongst other details like textures and shaders. They started doing this with Forza 3. Lighting in autovista is also pre-baked btw. Forza 5 boasting "1 million polygons" per car is just another T10 PR talk that doesn't apply to the actual racing part of the game.
A.I low poly model during in-game race
Autovista
Same example from Forza 4
Thats far away from what you see in "in-game race".
I think the in-game model of the player car in FM5 is the same as photomode in FM4 (1m polys?). The AI car poly count varies when gets close to the camera.
in-game AI car models:
replay (use the same lod model as in-game). Enzo is an AI car:
you posted some screenshots from tracks that are in early development stages/ havent been updated in a long time
this is what it can look like in game (on pc @ 4k)
vlcsnap-2014-05-05-23h03m03s14 by halcyphoto, on Flickrsome more polished tracks:
https://flic.kr/p/neU4SN 
https://flic.kr/p/neU7zS 
https://flic.kr/p/nyaNzD
https://flic.kr/p/nyaqHx 
https://flic.kr/p/nukNeW
https://flic.kr/p/nukNo3No way no how...Motorcycles made that game for me, far more fun and involvement than the cars..infact I wish PD would make a sequel to the Awesome Tourist Trophy.
And how did ADDING CONTENT screw up the game?
Ahhh this was the point I was making a few days back, I have also played the Beta and the amount of people talking up Pcars is most likely the ones who have not played it, leagues away from DriveClub in Assets,Scenery and Lighting
Nor was it the intent or would be possible considering the physics in a sim game take up a decent bit of power. Love how this is ignored to spew a narrative neither game is aiming for. DC could never pull it looks off if it had to the simulation project cars has to do.
DC is going to be a great arcade racer for me, how much remains to be seen. As for project cars I already know it's a great sim experience and will be replacing a lot of others I've been in the mood to do since the dreamcast.
I loved them too back then. Super fun, really great. PR might be the best racer I've ever played.
But things change. So does my perception. Just because something in the past was fine, it doesn't mean it's still fine today.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Any chance we could just get some side by side pics of some actual in game footage? Man so many "photo modes" "auto vistas" "far LOD closeups in replay mode" What the crap. Goddamn racing games.
BouncyFrag
Member
There's pixels to be counted. Serous business this is.
RoyaleDuke
Banned
I agree I really enjoyed the bikes in PGR4, especially the legacy bikes like the old BSA ones.
Either way I'm looking forward to this and Project Cars, they both look and sound amazing.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Fredrik
Member
Huh? Dirt Showdown, Flatout Ultimate Carnage, Grid 2, Ridge Racer Unbounded... I haven't played them so I can't confirm them myself but I thought these were 30fps? Other games on that list seems wrong too, Bioshock serie for example.
GrayFoxPL
Member
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Keep the discussions to DriveClub people.
A.I low poly model during in-game race
I have to say, for anyone with even passing familiarity with that game, it's clear you're deliberately misleading. The symbol in the corner and the supersampling means that's taken in photo mode, which makes it even clearer that it's uncharacteristic glitch.
A lot of the peripheral convos are about trade-offs in racing titles when balancing between visual clarity and performance. That does seem in the spirit of the topic.
A.I low poly model during in-game race
That's not in game and it also looks like a shitty capture because the car doesn't look like that all in a race
Paracelsus
Member
Progahmehrs don't take seriously sub-60fps fighting games, does the same happen to racing ones?
Lol. I loved using this gesture in Bulldog
How did you get this shot? Looks really odd to me...A.I low poly model during in-game race
SuperEpicGuy
Banned
I actually like games that are low res and framerate if they have a pc counterpart. Since there is more power dedicated to graphics I get good graphics AND 1440p 60fps.