Why? Need for Speed is more popular franchise than Burnout. Also you can "blame" The Fast and the Furious movie for this.
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Million selling PS1 and PS2 games in the USA - More than 190 titles
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Why? Need for Speed is more popular franchise than Burnout. Also you can "blame" The Fast and the Furious movie for this.
I'm not sure that's true, my Saturn came with a Panzer Dragoon demo disc containing the entire 2nd level.
Retail no but I feel like Minecraft could get there.
MrCunningham
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sörine;163738024 said:
Oh, you are correct. There were demo discs released for the Saturn: http://www.satakore.com/sega-saturn-complete-demo,,1,,0,,1.html
But only three ever made it to North America apparently. A 'bootleg' sampler disc (which was an official Sega release), a BUG! sampler and Christmas Nights. Though there were quite a few demo's released in Japan and Europe. The only demo disc for the console that I have ever seen or owned was Christmas Nights.
But the sales numbers between all three consoles were much closer to each other than they were for the previous two generations before that. Yes the Wii did dominate the sales charts and still ended out on top at the end, but sales for that console did die down the moment the 360 and PS3 started dropping to much more competitive price points.
Console generations 5 and 6 were dominated by a single console, the PS1 and PS2. But for generation 6, I think this was much less the case. Which is what I am trying to say.
ZSaberLink
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NPD #s usually are meant to be private, although older #s usually aren't an issue these days because NPD used to sometimes reveal them. Evasive answers indicates you should stop asking
. He probably doesn't want to reveal his source.Also, off topic, but why is your avatar not actually of Herman Cain? (it's of Ben Carson from what I can tell).
Halobox. I can remember some IGN video where they were going to an event and asked the editors what their favorite Xbox games were. This was before Halo 2. Everyone's #1 was Halo, but then it took them all a bit to try to pick a standout #2 (none were the same). Halo really did make the Xbox.
NPD #s usually are meant to be private, although older #s usually aren't an issue these days because NPD used to sometimes reveal them. Evasive answers indicates you should stop asking
I understand it's private but for me it's unclear if this data is reliable because doesn't match other leaks and I found strange that NPD made a software list including bundle copies.
Perhaps the OP could be a bit more specific.
Square2015
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Are these N. American figures? They are scaled up quite a bit from the NPD numbers I have...
orfax
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I thought some of these figures looked familiar. This is the source right?
http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-USPlatinum.shtml
How reliable are the Magicbox? I have them marked as unreliable, but only because I don't know too much about them. Are these just scrapes of NPD data? They don't give sources.
http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-USPlatinum.shtml
How reliable are the Magicbox? I have them marked as unreliable, but only because I don't know too much about them. Are these just scrapes of NPD data? They don't give sources.
I think they might be. Certainly N64 is scaled up.
Thats one of the sources I used, for the million sellers it is. I have others as well that are in line with magic box numbers through 2005. I also have sales for titles under 1m as well.
On top of that I had some npd data provided by a company, none of which i've posted here, but seems to agree with the op.
Square2015
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I have NPD:
Saturn sold about 1.4m
The highest selling title, standalone was Madden NFL 97 ~240,000
Saturn sales in USA are sad.
Do you have standalone sales for Virtua Fighter games on Saturn?
I've got the same as you on that, hardware wise.
Then again i've only got numbers for like 4 Saturn games.
What do you have for Banjo tooie ltd?
orfax
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Ah ok, I was hoping I had a second source for some of my figures, and I could mark them (semi) reliable.
I noticed that Gran Turismo figure is higher than Polyphony Digitals North American figure. I assume PDs includes Canada and Mexico numbers as well. Gran Turismo 2 matches exactly with PD but NPD is US only so that doesn't make sense either.
I wish PD would update their figures. Its been ages. I want to see if GT5 is now the second highest (in numbers) in the franchise. I expect it to be.
I guess they don't update anymore because of relative bad sales of Gran Turismo 6.
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travisbickle
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Not surprised there isn't a Wipeout game among these. Can we finally stop believing Sony killed a popular franchise but instead supported a franchise with a small fan base for a very long time.
Theonik
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A lot of these would sell about the same today. The problem is that the expectations are much higher now with budget inflation and games selling 10m+ copies.Count how many of those titles would sell today.
Selling 1m copies back then would have been fantastic numbers.
Wow all these posts and not one person remembers that Hot Coffee is the reason that San Andreas isn't the number 1 PS2 game?
I feel old =\
Not to mention there's a a huge difference between $50 in the late 90s and $50 in 2015.
I feel old =\
Not to mention there's a a huge difference between $50 in the late 90s and $50 in 2015.
Herman Cain
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It is the number 1 PS2 game. Unless you mean in NA, it's very close, VC was still selling when SA was out so had a big head start.
manipulate
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Yeah, this seems hard to ignore in the context of modern game development.
Head start had nothing to do with it.
The only reason SA isn't the number 1 game in NA is because take2 had to pull the game off shelves for like 6 months in the middle of it's prime shelf life and reprint the game without hot coffee on the disc.
Like I said, having to explain this makes me feel old as shit in hindsight, because it was probably one of the biggest gaming controversies of all time baring maybe Mortal Kombat getting the ESRB set up.
Also, considering the context of the topic is US sales, SA being number 1 worldwide doesn't really have anything to do with my post...
Psycho_Mantis
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Herman Cain
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Which retailers were still selling.
Look how close the sales are.
VC had a 2 year head start, during the time PS2 hype was still traveling through, and it was one of the only game you could play.
Saying it's because of Hot coffee is ridiculous especially given multiple other reasons (Like CJ himself causing controversy which had some people turned off)
SA being number 1 worldwide also negates this fact even further when they also (correct if wrong) went and re-printed discs in other countries as well. (Don't forget they didn't pull 100% of all SA and the game was stills selling.)
Herman Cain
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That and I don't think those are full LTD's, either way, most of Jaks sales were One and 2 and then fell off while Ratchet stayed even until Dead locked.
No they weren't...
No major retailer in the US carries AO games (gamestop, walmart, etc). Take2 was forced to do a recall, which killed sales of the games totally until they could flood the market with 2.0 copies.
CJ "controversy" had no impact on sales. Before Hot Coffee, SA was outpacing VC in every metric, and would have easily outsold it in NA if Take2 didn't have to recall the game.
Was not for 6 months, ESRB re-rated San Andreas in july 2005 and in october Rockstar launched Special Edition for PS2.
By the way, unless NPD revised significantly the numbers, in january 2009 San Andreas had 1.1m lead against Vice City standalone, with Double Pack SKU maybe Vice City was ahead.
Herman Cain
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Yes it did actually for some actually. Some people didn't like the theme of the game. Even a recent thread thst year on this site I have found, shows that there's still a small issue with people not liking the "theme" of the game: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=160761961
Also another thing, no, not 100% of retailers pulled out the game, Also (anybody reading can help confirm this) The GTA re-release was the SAME YEAR (2005) as when the controversy was happening, just in time for the holiday season. Not really much of a sales impact.
Herman Cain
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I can't find numbers so maybe you do as well, but didn't San Andreas increase in by the end of 2005?
Then you also have the Xbox release as well., Either way, as I said above, all the same year, retailers were still selling the game, not all retailers pulled out, I brought the game IN 2005, and still have it.
San Andreas sales on PS2 dive in august and september (less than 10k on both months combined). In october Special Edition came out and I suppose sales started to being better but I don't have these numbers.
Herman Cain
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I was talking about the year over all. Of 2005.
Square2015
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I have bundled sales: 250,000. Was it ever a standalone?
Square2015
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700,000
I've got 700k as of 2003.12 and 800k as of 2007.12.
Not even VF 2?
Anyway, maybe you could do a top 10 SW sales for Saturn in this thread, would be interesting...
Futurematic
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Adjusted numbers? Only source [PDF] I could find was the following:
Fake Edit: Whoops, never mind. If anybody ever needs a source for Saturn's 1.4 million that's online, Bloomberg has you covered.
Square2015
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Chrono Cross sold ~620,000
Welfare
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Road Rage came out in 2001, Hit and Run was 2003.
Hit and Run was better, but a 2 year difference is a lot to overcome.
Herman Cain
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Simpsons was still in its prime then as well. At least relatively.
Acquiescence
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The Legend of Dragoon did surprisingly well, but then I'm reminded of a Yoshida interview a couple of years back where he stated that it was the sales in that particular region that stopped the game from being an outright bomb.
This is the US charts, I'd imagine that Wipeout generally did much better in Europe than the US, especially since back during the game's prime, club culture and electronic music was still super obscure in America while it was at its apex in Europe. (This is what of course originally drove me to the series as an American with a budding interest in electronic music)
Nowadays, electronic music finally caught on in a big way in the US so I think we'd be more receptive to a well-marketed PS4 Wipeout title.
Square2015
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I'll spend some time and put that together...
1. Virtua Fighter [SAT bundle only] 250,000
2. Madden NFL 97 240,000
3. NiGHTS [+SAT bundle] 220,000
4. Virtua Fighter 2 [+SAT bundle] 200,000
5. Sega Rally [+ SAT bundle] 190,000
6. Daytona USA 170,000
7. Sonic 3D Blast 170,000
8. Tomb Raider 170,000
9. NHL 97 130,000
10. Virtua Cop [2 ver.] 130,000
Notable mentions:
MYST 130,000
Panzer Dragoon 120,000
Virtua Cop 2 [2 ver.] 120,000
Thanks for the work.
I always thought VF 2 had an amazing attach rate but was not the case.
To Far Away Times
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Frogger? What?
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