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RTTP: The Pokemon. All 721 of them, and counting.

Seil

Member
They go with "ogre" in the dub, but originally it's "Kaiorga", so it seems to be a weird misspelling of orca that the dub fucked up further I guess.

When going by pronunciation alone, "ogre" is close since it's "ōga" in Japanese.

I'm not sure if you're using "dub" to actually refer to the dub or just the localized games here lol. Since it wouldn't be the dub's fault for using the name as it was localized, and "ogre's" the proper way to pronounce it when it's localized as Kyogre.
 

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When going by pronunciation alone, "ogre" is close since it's "ōga" in Japanese.

I'm not sure if you're using "dub" to actually refer to the dub or just the localized games here lol. Since it wouldn't be the dub's fault for using the name as it was localized, and "ogre's" the proper way to pronounce it when it's localized as Kyogre.

Oh, when I say dub in reference to a Pokemon's name I usually just mean the localization, not the 4Kids/PUSA anime pronunciation.

Good point, but this is one Legendary name I wish the localization didn't translate straight up---Kyorca seems like it'd be a good way to keep the original feel of the name while also making it more fitting.
 
I never realized Lanturn was so early in the dex.

I usually consider that line to be a mid game line, probably because the first time I actually owned one was Ruby, where it was my staple surfer.

Oh, when I say dub in reference to a Pokemon's name I usually just mean the localization, not the 4Kids/PUSA anime pronunciation.

Good point, but this is one Legendary name I wish the localization didn't translate straight up---Kyorca seems like it'd be a good way to keep the original feel of the name while also making it more fitting.
Kyorca is such a better name
 

Toxi

Banned
People are so hungry for a dolphin, I remember people trying to pretend Gorebyss was a dolphin back in the RS days
Gorebyss is a long-nosed chimera fish with mermaid shell boobies.

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Ezalc

Member
Meanwhile, we have God knows how many lepidopterans. Butterfree, Venomoth, Beautifly, Dustox, Mothim, Volcarona, Vivilion...

Since most of these are early bug, I just feel like, as Birdie stated, show a good progression of an animal's clearly seen stages of development. I can understand why it's done, though I do agree that there are a lot of them, and I wish they used the millions of other bugs instead as inspiration for pokemon. I'm sure there are a fair number of them that do the whole larva, cocoon, full adult transition as well.
 

Bladenic

Member
Gorebyss is a long-nosed chimera fish with mermaid shell boobies.

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lord those are ugly. gorebyss is actually pretty unlike huntail. I never used eiher but damn they actually have some good stats especially gorebyss. Plus now they have Shell Smash. Of course I know why I didn't use them, fucking trade evos
 

jnWake

Member
Lanturn is awesome you guys know nothing. Besides, it's an amazing tank too.

Ariados is also pretty damn cool but not very good sadly. I hope Ledian and Ariadios get some deserved boosts someday. I'd prefer a regular evolution but a Mega would be cool too. I especially love the idea of Ledian turning into a cool Kamen Rider bug.
 

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#175 - Togepi
Fairy (Normal Prior Gen VI)

Togepri~ Togepi was the premiere Baby Pokemon, and one of the first Generation II Pokemon introduced---if you don't count Ho-Oh since it wasn't officially said to be a new Pokemon till quite a bit later, I believe it was the first one introduced (in America at least), and man, when this little guy popped up in the show, people went nuts. There were a ton of rumors about Togepi and how you could obtain one in Generation I through a variety of cheat codes, but it wasn't till Gold and Silver that it was actually capable to obtain one. Togepi, in Egg form, is given to the player at the beginning of the game and although you're not forced to keep it in your Party, most players will naturally want to see what hatches from it, and I imagine many already guessed or knew it would be Togepi. Once Togepi hatches...well, that's up to you, but it'll be pretty underdeveloped at Level 5 compared to the rest of your team at that point, and most folks probably dumped it unless they really liked Togepi. Me? I was sick of the little thing thanks to the show so there was no way that little punk was getting a spot on my team, but in Generation IV I lightened up to it a bit and used it in Platinum and, well, it was pretty cool all things considered. But not enough to consider it a favorite. In Generation II it was a Normal-type but was made Fairy-type in Generation VI, which seemed an obvious choice and one Type Change most people guessed ahead of time.

Though Togepi didn't evolve from a Generation I Pokemon, it is a Baby Pokemon as it shares all of their traits such as not being found in the wild in Generation II, only through breeding, and being unable to breed itself without evolving. Like most Baby Pokemon, it's pretty uneventful and weak till it evolves, with the only move of interest being Metronome in Generation II, unless you kept it around to Level 38 to learn Double-Edge. Togepi is meant to represent the Pokemon Egg introduced in Generation II, but with that being said I'm surprised they didn't use the design of its egg as the generic egg design in the games, since I feel like that was meant to be the point of its design originally---literally a "Pokemon Egg" Pokemon. Of course, all the other media, and even the official art a couple of times, show that Pokemon Eggs have patterns resembling the Pokemon that hatch from within them, but Game Freak's never gone through with this and incorporated it into the actual games, though it doesn't seem all that difficult to do. By my count, there's about 320~ egg designs you'd need, and a few you could probably combine due to similar appearances, but there isn't much reason to go to all this effort for a small visual touch, but it's one I'm sure a lot of fans have wanted since Pokemon Eggs were introduced.

As the Pokemon representing the idea of "Pokemon Eggs", Game Freak went with a somewhat generic, fantasy design and thus Togepi doesn't resemble any real-life creature or Pokemon, though it seems to be an abstract baby chick of sorts, like Chansey, and I actually used to think the two were connected due to the egg theme. Togepi's egg is all about happiness and joy which also fits into Chansey's lore, though this was proven false when Togepi got its own evolved form in GS and later Chansey got its own Baby Form, and now as of Generation VI they're not even the same Type anymore due to the Fairy change. I think the design of Togepi accomplishes what it sets out to do, but it's too cute for me and I've never been a fan. When I first saw it as a kid, I was hyped because, hey, new Pokemon, but I also wondered why it looked like Bart Simpson.

Togepi of course played a major role in the show being the first New Pokemon! officially introduced, and I remember the hype on Kids WB! leading up to its premier episode. It's a shame Cartoon Network basically tosses new episodes of Pokemon out without any fanfare, because I remember WB always hyping up the show each week, even if it turned out to be a filler, and creating pretty cute bumpers for the show. Remember the one with Batman and Jigglypuff? Togepi of course for a lot of folks wore thin, especially for Misty fans, as the appearance of Togepi pretty much signaled her descent into pointlessness as her fiery, independent personality greatly took a hit (I mean, they literally had her holding a baby every episode now), and all Togepi really did was act cute and goof around. Throughout the show, Togepi was hinted to have a special power (Metronome, basically) that everyone was unaware of, and saved them a few times, but the writers never really did anything with it, and once they got to Johto, Togepi's role was basically pointless---it wasn't till it and Misty's return in Hoenn that its plot was finally resolved. Years later in Diamond and Pearl, the show made amends with the fans who had to suffer the tyranny of Togepi by making a great filler episode all about a completely vicious, cruel-hearted Togepi which is how everyone saw Misty's Togepi basically. Pokemon Special technically did this gimmick way back during Gold and Silver with Gold's ramblin', gamblin' Togepi (rearrange Togepi and you get OT: Pegi, coincidence?) but seeing Pokemon act differently than they're normally depicted as is always fun. Like Iris' pissed off Dragonite.

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#176 - Togetic
Fairy/Flying (Normal/Flying Prior Gen VI)

If you actually kept Togepi around on your team and maxxed out its happiness, you were surprised with a Togetic. Surprise! In Generation II, Togetic had no natural attacks like Togepi except for Metronome and Double-Edge, meaning you'll need to waste your TMs if you want to get any use out of it, though it's very underwhelming for the evolution of a Pokemon that was always hyped up as possessing an unknown power waiting to be unleashed. Since Generation IV, it's become a middle-form due to getting a new evolution, and though you can use Eviolite on it, it lacks the usefulness of its evolved form and really there's no point in keeping it unevolved, though it can hold its own somewhat now due to its new Fairy-typing if you absolutely need to use it. I really dislike its localized name, by the way---originally it was Togechick which would've worked perfectly fine as an English name, but they had to change it to the ugly sounding and looking Togetic for whatever reason.

Togepi's design wasn't amazing, but it was cute enough and a decent Pokemon, but honestly I've never really cared for Togetic's design, it basically looks like they stretched out Togepi's body and added wings, and it just looks unappealing to me. With Togepi's body being yellow, you'd think Togetic's body would follow suit, but instead it's colored like the egg which always bothered me. Whoever made the original Gold and Silver sprites should be given a raise because they were the only ones who realized this color change was dumb, so they left Togetic as yellow like Togepi which looked far more appealing, but Crystal "fixed" this. Its original Shiny sprite though was yellow, even in Crystal, but they sadly changed it to a different shade of white in Generation III, making this one of those Shiny Pokemon just not worth the effort to obtain. Sometimes when I use a Pokemon I also grow to like its design, but using a Togetic in Platinum did nothing for me, and I just wanted to evolve it as soon as possible.

While Togepi was an abstract baby chicken, Togetic looks like an abstract adult chicken, though it's more like a guardian angel of sorts, said to travel around the world searching for pure-hearted folks to share its joy and happiness with. Game Freak makes no judgment about the types of folks who play their game, and thus in Gold and Silver no matter your immoral inclinations (don't worry, they looked the other way that one time you Googled Gardevoir) obtaining a Togetic is quite easy as it's basically only a matter of traveling alongside the Togepi you're given for free. Basically every Pokemon protagonist is probably meant to be seen as a pure-hearted trainer, though many fans are a bit tired of this and probably want to have moral choices, of sorts, in Pokemon, some fans even wanting for it to be possible for you to join the Evil Team, which seems unlikely to happen in a main series game at least. For now that's limited to Pokemon Colosseum, a game for mature adults like me who play Persona 4 in the original Japanese language.

Despite debuting in Gold and Silver, Togetic didn't appear in the show till Hoenn in the "Mirage Kingdom Arc" which saw Misty return alongside her Togepi. In a sovereign kingdom randomly in the middle of Hoenn, free from water and trumpets, there is a legend that only one who owns a Togepi can ascend to the throne. Anyway, the Mirage Kingdom Arc was basically like a movie of sorts with an evil chancellor plotting to kidnap Misty's Togepi so he could take over the kingdom for himself, but naturally things don't go as planned for him, and Togepi evolves into Togetic in order to protect the hidden "Togepi Dimension". I'm not a Misty fan, but this two-parter was pretty fun due to having an actual non-Team Rocket villain for once, and finally saw Togepi actually make itself useful. Of course, like all good things in the show, once it evolved into Togetic it left to protect its Togepi friends, and was never seen or heard from again. Good. A fun-fact is that the Japanese voice actor of the princess of the Mirage Kingdom, Princess Sarah, went on to play Dawn in Diamond and Pearl, and this ties into our next Pokemon rather nicely as you'll soon see.

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#468 - Togekiss
Fairy/Flying (Normal/Flying Prior Gen VI)

It took till Generation IV, but Game Freak finally gave us a Pokemon who felt like it properly represented the potential of Togepi. A lot of Generation II Pokemon fizzled out by the end of their evolution line as I mentioned back in my Generation II intro, and Togetic was definitely a big offender in that regard who felt like a complete disappointment, especially since we'd been used to seeing Togepi for years and everyone was expecting him to evolve into something awesome. Togekiss isn't necessarily awesome, but I do feel it is a nice Pokemon to end an evolutionary line on, and is one Generation IV Cross-Gen evolution I'm glad was made. Anyway, Togekiss evolves from Togetic through the use of the new Shiny Stone evolutionary stone, and like most stone evolutions this means it doesn't have any level-up moves---neither does Togetic even in Generation IV, learning only two actual attack moves that are very ill-suited due to being Physical, so prepare to use Heart Scales to pick up its inherent moves, or put the TMs you've collected to good use, though as of Generation V this isn't as big of an issue due to the godsend of infinite TMs. Togekiss upon its introduction was fairly good, a special wall with a lot of unique abilities such as Serene Grace, making it more likely for secondary effects of moves to come into play such as making the opponent flinch, its various healing abilities, and being able to Baton Pass Nasty Plot, though it did have its weaknesses such as its low Speed and, of course, Stealth Rock. While Generation V saw it drop a bit, Generation VI brought it back with the new Fairy-typing, though it's one of the weaker Fairy Pokemon in high-level play due to Flying giving it some additional, unneeded weaknesses and not having all the tricks that Clefable and Mega Gardevoir have. Considering Togekiss is the final evolution of a rather popular, "mascot" Pokemon, I think a Mega might be in the cards to fix that.

While Togetic looked like an awkwardly squashed and stretched Togepi, Togekiss' design is a bit better and more unique looking, going for what appears to be a dove-like creature mixed with an angel. Besides the little spots on the bottom of its body, the egg motif is pretty much gone by this point and thus it feels fully evolved, whereas Togetic's design gave the illusion that it was still growing out of its egg though it had fused with its actual body. I think it's pretty held-back for a Generation IV evolution, which sometimes can be said to go a bit above and beyond as we saw with Rhyperior, though it does live up to the stereotype that all the Cross-Generation evolutions from that generation were old Pokemon who got fatter. The only issue I have with Togekiss' design is that it looks fine when seen from the side as in its art and in its sprites, but when seen from the front its body-shape can come off as looking a bit awkward, as seen by its appearances in the show and its XY model. It's not ruined by this, but it's one Pokemon who I think works better in a 2D world.

Togekiss is said to be a marvelous Pokemon who appears in peaceful regions bringing gifts of kindness and joy, but it's said that as of recently, its appearances have grown quite rare. Deep. Of course, the Pokemon World itself is a pretty awesome place to live...yeah, Kanto had a pretty big problem with organized crime, and every other year some nut tries to take over the world with Legendary Pokemon, but the average person in Pokemon is extremely friendly and talkative. It's really quite odd how Lysandre is convinced in XY that the world needs cleansing and humans are a selfish race, when literally every NPC you chat with seems to love giving out free gifts to whoever talks to them. Game Freak's social commentary tends to be pretty one-note and aimed specifically at the audience, and often doesn't really naturally fit into the world they create. Lysandre's comments about the state of humanity I think can be seen as relevant and thought-provoking, but only to our world, not his, and thus it's more like he's directly addressing the player rather than feeling like a natural inhabitant of the Pokemon World, and I think that cheapens the commentary when it doesn't flow with the narrative. I thought Black and White probably had the best plot with this in mind, because it tackled an issue that made sense for the inhabitants of the Pokemon World while also commenting on moral ideas that we the audience can relate to, though in a different way. Now I wonder, is there any place in the real world that Togekiss would actually visit?

I despise Togekiss' role in the show. I mean, I wasn't all that keen on Togepi's, but Togekiss was one of the many missteps that happened at the tail-end of Diamond and Pearl, an otherwise great season in my opinion, and that made it all the worse. Though I like May better, I felt Dawn was a better character in terms of her development as a Pokemon Coordinator, and her wins for the most part felt more legit and well-earned than May's overall, but then came Togekiss to flush that all down the toilet. Basically, right before the Grand Festival, the Pokemon League for Coordinators, Dawn was handed a free Togekiss, and it proved to an extremely powerful and capable Pokemon as you'd expect. Now, it really only got one battle in the Grand Festival against Zoey, Dawn's main rival, and it lost since Dawn couldn't win the Grand Festival because that'd be like Ash winning the Pokemon League, but for a season that did a great job at setting up plots and rivals, it was insulting that Dawn was handed such a powerful ace right at the end who took a spot that one of her other Pokemon she'd actually worked with through the show could've had. Togekiss also lacked any fun traits or personality, and it soured me on the end of Diamond and Pearl---I still haven't gotten around to watching the Pokemon League come to think of it, which is a shame because I hear it's one of the best leagues. Oh, remember how Princess Sarah in the Togepi episode was voiced by the actress who'd go on to play Dawn? Well, the person who gave Dawn Togekiss is named Princess Salvia---but, early episode summaries called her Princess Iris. It's commonly theorized that at the last minute the name was changed because a major character named Iris was going to appear in Black and White, though it may be a coincidence.
 
Yeah, I kept Togepi both times and dropped it after it evolved as I didn't feel it was as good, but when I go back and do a replay of Soul Silver playing Storm Silver this time, I'd keep it and put it on the main team as I think it's part of the canon team. I'm not sure, you all seem more knowledgeable on the series than me.

Togekiss I underestimated a few times. That Aura Sphere catches me off guard and usually results in a one hit ko on my normal type.
 
I use a togekiss on my doubles team as a support pokemon. Follow me, tailwind, and air slash (now with 60% flinch chance thanks to serene grace) can be pretty useful. Add safety goggles for spore immunity and it can also help stop enemy the usefulness of enemy Amoonguss
 

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The "canon" Gold and Silver team I see posted around the 'net is usually the Starters, Togepi, Sudowoodo, and Red Gyrados.
 

Toxi

Banned
Togetic is so lame. Terrible stats, terrible design, just terrible in general. Togekiss might look like a stealth bomber, but that's still a huge improvement over Togegoof.
 

hazukash

Member
I thought my Togepi evolving into Togetic was a glitch when I first played Silver since I had never seen the Pokémon before. I don't think any trainer has a Togetic in the game and happiness was a vague evolution method to me. I love both Togetic and Togekiss' designs, but Togepi has never appealed to me at all.
 

Ezalc

Member
How haven't you seen the Sinnoh league yet? It's easily tied with Johto as the best league episodes. Shit I constantly rewatch the Paul fight due to how good it is. Orange league is third, other leagues come after that because they're all awful.
 

Watch Da Birdie

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How haven't you seen the Sinnoh league yet? It's easily tied with Johto as the best league episodes. Shit I constantly rewatch the Paul fight due to how good it is. Orange league is third, other leagues come after that because they're all awful.

I stopped watching the show for awhile due to College stuff, and it's hard to find those episodes around now so I just never got a chance to do so.
 

ffdgh

Member
How haven't you seen the Sinnoh league yet? It's easily tied with Johto as the best league episodes. Shit I constantly rewatch the Paul fight due to how good it is. Orange league is third, other leagues come after that because they're all awful.

I still can't forgive the sinnoh league for tobias's existance.
 
Man, was I disappointed when I was quickly flipping through some game magazine in a grocery store looking at these cool Gen II Pokemon really fast before my mom caught that I had wandered from her. Only to see that Togepi, a Pokemon I was very much familiar with and was excited to finally use, evolved into a weird... thing. Togetic doesn't even really look fully evolved. Which I guess GF agreed because now it evolves and looks a like nicer as a middle form.

I actually used Togekiss in Soul Silver for awhile. But I don't remember much about it, I think I dropped it for Skarmory or something by the end of the game.

The nice part about Johto, is that Zubat and Skarmory manage to be in nearly every game, so you can easily get fantastic flying Pokemon to carry you through the game. Crobat was an invaluable member of my recent Black 2 run, and Skarmory was a staple on my Omega Ruby team. Acrobatics Crobat hits like a beast at light speed.
 

Watch Da Birdie

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Was this your first exposure to it?


I don't know where they got "Hanihan" from since Lanturn's Japanese name is just "Lantern", or even if you were writing it out simply by transliterating the katakana it'd be "Rantaan".
 

Hydrus

Member
Was this your first exposure to it?



I don't know where they got "Hanihan" from since Lanturn's Japanese name is just "Lantern", or even if you were writing it out simply by transliterating the katakana it'd be "Rantaan".

HOLY SHIT MAN! I remember this hahaha. Wasnt it from Pojos magazine? Used to love that back in the day along with beckett!

I remember they had a journal that was a play thru of gold/ silver months before it was released in America.
 

Anth0ny

Member
I remember losing my SHIT when I got Togepi in Gold.

The anime did wonders for that little shit. For years, it was an unobtainable Pokemon. In other words, the most desirable thing ever.
 

Watch Da Birdie

I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Hulu, huh?

You know I really don't like the dub and by Diamond and Pearl I started watching the show subbed exclusively, but I found a few dubbed episodes on there awhile back I missed out and it wasn't too bad for the most part. I might try that out since I really wanna finish watching Diamond and Pearl one day---hell, I kind of want to finish Best Wishes just to say I did.

HOLY SHIT MAN! I remember this hahaha. Wasnt it from Pojos magazine. Used to love that back in the day!

This is Beckett, but I think, but I believe Pojo used the same drawings too.

Pojo was pretty cheap though. Years back during Hoenn they put out the first Pokemon magazine in years, I remember Joe has an unflattering picture in it, and as an older kid I realized how lazy they were with really low quality screen shots posted across the magazine and poor use of official art thrown around.

My favorite old-school Pokemon magazine was this one I got which showed all the awesome Pokemon cards from those vending machines we never got. I miss stuff like that now. :( It's not the same having it all available at your fingertips as opposed to having to go looking through bookstores for it.
 
That Furret looks like a Ditto

Also based on Crobat, these appear to be drawings made by someone who only saw the sprites of the Pokemon.



The magazine I remember reading was a TCG magazine, so I saw Togetic via its Japanese card art
 

Hydrus

Member
Hulu, huh?

You know I really don't like the dub and by Diamond and Pearl I started watching the show subbed exclusively, but I found a few dubbed episodes on there awhile back I missed out and it wasn't too bad for the most part. I might try that out since I really wanna finish watching Diamond and Pearl one day---hell, I kind of want to finish Best Wishes just to say I did.



This is Beckett, but I think, but I believe Pojo used the same drawings too.

Pojo was pretty cheap though. Years back during Hoenn they put out the first Pokemon magazine in years, I remember Joe has an unflattering picture in it, and as an older kid I realized how lazy they were with really low quality screen shots posted across the magazine and poor use of official art thrown around.

My favorite old-school Pokemon magazine was this one I got which showed all the awesome Pokemon cards from those vending machines we never got. I miss stuff like that now. :( It's not the same having it all available at your fingertips as opposed to having to go looking through bookstores for it.

Yea I missed this stuff. It was always a blast reading thru these in the grocery store. I think I may still have some in a shoe box somewhere.

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ffdgh

Member
Hulu, huh?

You know I really don't like the dub and by Diamond and Pearl I started watching the show subbed exclusively, but I found a few dubbed episodes on there awhile back I missed out and it wasn't too bad for the most part. I might try that out since I really wanna finish watching Diamond and Pearl one day---hell, I kind of want to finish Best Wishes just to say I did.

Yeah I can't go back to the dub after starting best wishes/xy with subs. Not sure why but it's weird now.
 

Watch Da Birdie

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Ouch, a Pokemon magazine with a side-column introducing Harry Potter---how old I've become.
 

Anth0ny

Member
ahahhaahahah that celebi. rivals pokemon green mew in derpiness.

I always loved those bootleg drawings in beckett. they did similar shit in their dbz and yugioh magazines.
 

Watch Da Birdie

I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
It was either Pojo or Beckett who in one of their premiere issues had fan-made Pokemon on fake cards, and one of them was this Fire/Water construction truck---anyone remember that? I think it was a very early 3D drawing too.
 
Togepi line is probably one of my favorite lines in the entire series. While the actual stats and move pool is a bit weak (not considering TMs) the actual role of Togepi is pretty revolutionary when you think about it. Togepi was created to introduce players into the vast potential of breeding and what it presents to both single player and competitive gameplay. The switch to fairy and an evolution line has made it one of the more long standing lines in the series as well.

Maybe I am biased due to nostalgia from the show and its unveiling at the time, but Togepi is an awesome line in my eyes.
 

jnWake

Member
Togekiss is so cool that it makes me ignore how horrible Togetic is. Togepi is fine. I love that it only knows Metronome for a while, that move is hilarious.
 

Azuran

Banned
Those pics are honestly one of the best things I have seen in my life. Every time I look at them, I always find someone new that makes me crack up. I haven't laughed so hard in a while.
 
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