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Analysis: What really happened in Final Fantasy VIII (SPOILERS)
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I actually like the idea of Rinoa is Ultimecia thing (if it's true). I just think it adds an element of tragedy + mystery into the storyline, which would make it more interesting than a simple "love conquers all" theme. Plus, the whole timeline thing was ripe for this kind of sub-story.
Die Squirrel Die
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So I finally read through the 'analysis' and as I suspected it rested heavily on cherry picking ambigious sections and ignoring a lot of what the game was directly telling the player in favour of 'it was all a dream, we can't trust it' cop out.
A couple of things.
Except Squall was the captain of the mission, or at least the mission that Seifer knew about to help out Rinoa and her group. The whole point of the Sorceress assassination mission was that it was a secret mission thrown together at the last minute because of what had happened in the prior mission that Squall had been leading.
And a big part of him passing the SeeD exam was that Seifer failed it and now Squall outranked him. And you keep going on about Squall being a newly recruited cadet, but he isn't. You argue that everything after disc 1 is wish fulfillment because he goes from a lowly 'cadet' to the commander, but that misrepresents what actually happens to fit. At the beginning of the game (before he 'dies') he becomes a member of SeeD and as far as the game presents it SeeD is the ultimate rank attainable within the Garden, they are the elite squad. You may question why Square didn't choose to flesh out a more complex heirarchy, but they didn't, they clearly and explicitly make SeeD the top rank.
That he becomes the one everyone looks to seems to be partly a mix of circumstance (him leading the mission that sets in motion the sequence of events that results in Edea attacking Balamb Garden) and results (okay it's really the game giving the player challenges to overcome, but Squall gets things done).
Then in the discussing the ending...
You put a lot of significance into the fact that we see scenes from Disc 1, notably the ballroom scene as though this is proof of Squall's real memories, however you note that we also see things that only occur after that (Ragnarok, Riona in Space, Adel) without offering any explanation as to why they are mixed in with the 'real' memories without the game making any distinction between them. It's a circular argument to say that because you have decided that there is a distinct cut off point that anything before that alluded to in the ending is significant and anything after that isn't.
Okay, so you say that everything after disc 1 is the dying hallucination of Squall? Right up until another point which you have decided, where Squall is now dead, and everything after that is 'heaven'? Why the distinction? Squall is present in both the 'deathbed hallucination' and 'heaven', as are Rinoa, Zell, Seifer, etc. Functionally they are identical, fabrication of a life Squall would have lead had he not 'died'.
Edit: Just before I go to bed, one last thing.
So pretty much the first thing you do in the game is fight a fire demon thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5gJHPUG0js
It noteworthy here that Ifrit appears to be a sentient, intelligent creature capable of speech, which I would argue makes him more than a 'monster'. Also excluding all the numerous fantasy creatures you encounter from the beginning of the game seems to be once again cherry picking only that which supports your theory in the face of vast amounts of evidence in the game that upfrontedly (if that isn't a word it should be) contradicts it.
A couple of things.
Except Squall was the captain of the mission, or at least the mission that Seifer knew about to help out Rinoa and her group. The whole point of the Sorceress assassination mission was that it was a secret mission thrown together at the last minute because of what had happened in the prior mission that Squall had been leading.
And a big part of him passing the SeeD exam was that Seifer failed it and now Squall outranked him. And you keep going on about Squall being a newly recruited cadet, but he isn't. You argue that everything after disc 1 is wish fulfillment because he goes from a lowly 'cadet' to the commander, but that misrepresents what actually happens to fit. At the beginning of the game (before he 'dies') he becomes a member of SeeD and as far as the game presents it SeeD is the ultimate rank attainable within the Garden, they are the elite squad. You may question why Square didn't choose to flesh out a more complex heirarchy, but they didn't, they clearly and explicitly make SeeD the top rank.
That he becomes the one everyone looks to seems to be partly a mix of circumstance (him leading the mission that sets in motion the sequence of events that results in Edea attacking Balamb Garden) and results (okay it's really the game giving the player challenges to overcome, but Squall gets things done).
Then in the discussing the ending...
You put a lot of significance into the fact that we see scenes from Disc 1, notably the ballroom scene as though this is proof of Squall's real memories, however you note that we also see things that only occur after that (Ragnarok, Riona in Space, Adel) without offering any explanation as to why they are mixed in with the 'real' memories without the game making any distinction between them. It's a circular argument to say that because you have decided that there is a distinct cut off point that anything before that alluded to in the ending is significant and anything after that isn't.
Okay, so you say that everything after disc 1 is the dying hallucination of Squall? Right up until another point which you have decided, where Squall is now dead, and everything after that is 'heaven'? Why the distinction? Squall is present in both the 'deathbed hallucination' and 'heaven', as are Rinoa, Zell, Seifer, etc. Functionally they are identical, fabrication of a life Squall would have lead had he not 'died'.
Edit: Just before I go to bed, one last thing.
So pretty much the first thing you do in the game is fight a fire demon thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5gJHPUG0js
It noteworthy here that Ifrit appears to be a sentient, intelligent creature capable of speech, which I would argue makes him more than a 'monster'. Also excluding all the numerous fantasy creatures you encounter from the beginning of the game seems to be once again cherry picking only that which supports your theory in the face of vast amounts of evidence in the game that upfrontedly (if that isn't a word it should be) contradicts it.
Dragona Akehi said:
Not to single you out in particular, but I've seen a lot of posts along these lines in the thread, and I feel it's worth stopping for a moment to examine why this form of argumentation is irrelevant to developing and discussing an interpretation of the literary work Final Fantasy VIII.
As I see it, this argumentation asserts three points:
1) That there is a single, "correct" interpretation of a literary work.
2) This "correct" interpretation is the one supported by the author(s) of the work.
3) It is possible to determine, with certainty, the position of the author(s) by examining the work itself as well as other works, communiques or biographical details.
All three of these points are total bunk. I could go on at great length to describe this in detail, but I need not, as Barthes has already done so. If you are lazy, please consult the Wikipedia entry on his essay "Death of the Author;" selected quotations are provided below for easy reference.
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Freshmaker
I am Korean.
All the same, one should still ask oneself one question while developing their own personal truths here.LegatoB said:
Does this add anything to the story?
In the Squall is Dead notion, you've basically reduced the entire story to "It was all a dream." which really brings nothing worthwhile to the table. People arguing that the writers weren't smart enough to piss on the reader in this fashion are crediting the wrong end of the intelligence scale.
In Ultimecia = Riona mad with grief from "teh futrue" you have her actively trying to kill her past self and Squall. How does this make the story better?
"It was all a dream" is only an undesirable conclusion if there's no value in the experience of the dream. I personally find the exploration of the final fantasy of a dying young man, desperately attempting to explain and find meaning in his brief existence, to be both gripping and significant. Perhaps all the more so for how unexpected this meditation was.Freshmaker said:
Freshmaker
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It hardly matters if he's just making up a bunch of shit, and it's all going to be flushed down the toilet the instant he dies regardless. There's no resolution, no growth, and no point. Do I care if he dies happy or sad? Eh. Not really.LegatoB said:
Dr Bad Dude PHD
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I really like this theory. I had planned on giving the game another playthrough in the coming months, I'll be sure to keep this in mind.
chicken_ramen
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LegatoB said:
But, and I only touched on this earlier, we have no way of knowing what is and isn't significant. In more obvious examples of the 'it was all a dream' story we know the limits of the reality that has been stepped outside of because it is our own. Here the audience has no idea what elements are based on his reality and what are pure imagination. We know that Squall's reality is very fantastical, so we don't know it's limits. Because of this, all this interpretation serves to do is cast the story in a muddier light and the only 'insight' we're given into Squall is the same that the game gives under a straightforward reading.
Prime Blue
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Dr Bad Dude PHD
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Not sure if Occam's razor applies to videogame fantasy stories, though I can't help but think that simpler more logical theory is that Squall was imagining all these fantastical situations in the moments before his death.bathala said:
What is the Metal Gear theory?
I'm not sure if it has been mentioned. But at one point in time, there was a great debate about whether or not Rinoa Heartilly was actually Ultimecia. There was evidence supporting this.
1) Witches never die. unless they are killed; which causes their killer to become a Witch.
2) Squall tells Rinoa about meeting in the field, the same field Ultimecia's castle is hovering over.
3) Ultimecia summons a monster to attack you during the finally confrontation, the summon is named after Squall's ring (I named mine MagaBeast, a spelling error when trying to type Magma Beast. That monster was named MagaBeast)
4) One of the ending scenes (During the acid trip-like sequence) they animate Rinoa wearing Ultimecia's makeup.
Now bare with me; it is never explained why Ultimecia is trying to go back in time. One theory was that she was trying to see Squall again. Rinoa is immortal, Squall isn't: he died of old age, she becomes lonely and saddened by his death, over many years her grief eventually drives her insane. The reason she attacks herself and Squall is because so much time has passed she doesn't remember what he looks like, or is so crazy she doesn't truly comprehend what is happening. Ultimecia wasn't trying to destroy the world, she was mentally fractured and disparately trying to return to better times.
1) Witches never die. unless they are killed; which causes their killer to become a Witch.
2) Squall tells Rinoa about meeting in the field, the same field Ultimecia's castle is hovering over.
3) Ultimecia summons a monster to attack you during the finally confrontation, the summon is named after Squall's ring (I named mine MagaBeast, a spelling error when trying to type Magma Beast. That monster was named MagaBeast)
4) One of the ending scenes (During the acid trip-like sequence) they animate Rinoa wearing Ultimecia's makeup.
Now bare with me; it is never explained why Ultimecia is trying to go back in time. One theory was that she was trying to see Squall again. Rinoa is immortal, Squall isn't: he died of old age, she becomes lonely and saddened by his death, over many years her grief eventually drives her insane. The reason she attacks herself and Squall is because so much time has passed she doesn't remember what he looks like, or is so crazy she doesn't truly comprehend what is happening. Ultimecia wasn't trying to destroy the world, she was mentally fractured and disparately trying to return to better times.
Freshmaker
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It actually is explained at length. None of it supports R = U though.Atilac said:
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Basically, it goes like this.Atilac said:
Ultimecia was a normal girl until the sorceress took her over. At some point SeeD determined that she was going to become Ultimecia and imprisoned her in an attempt to prevent Ultimecia from destroying time.
Ultimecia hadn't done anything wrong at that point, and grew to resent her captors and the way they viewed her as that world's Hitler. She slowly went nuts until she finally broke out of confinement, killing the future SeeDs.
Since she was basically screwed because of historical record, she decided the best way to punish everyone was to destroy the timeline that had already decided that she was going to ruthlessly butcher everyone. So she used the time device modeled on Ellome's powers to travel back in time and attack what she perceived to be the root cause of all her problems... Which in this case was history itself.
That's why she was trying to achieve "time kompression".
This is all brought up in Ultimecia's speeches and other comments, and the doctor expands upon her core plan when you reach Esthar.
Rinoa is a witch, unless someone kills her and claims her powers she's going forward in time, ultimately making her Ultimecia.Freshmaker said:
If she wasn't Ultimecia, maybe the original Ultimecia screwed up the past and Rinoa became the new Ultimecia. I do remember the time compression, the attempt to bridge a direct link from the past with the future? Rinoa would seek this because she would see Squall again.
Why would Ultimecia summon a monster from Squalls ring? Squall gave that ring to Rinoa. Christ this is too complicated to process at 2 in the morning. Isn't it possible that Ultimecia/hitler triggered Ultimecia/Rinoa eventually causing the latter to override the former?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
No. Witches have normal lifespans.Atilac said:
That's not what Ultimecia was trying to do. She was trying to destroy time. Her only real interest in time travelling was to go back far enough to destroy all creation.
She didn't really. She pulled Squall's concept of the most powerful GF from his mind and manifested it. She wasn't keeping it around as a pet or anything.
The way the game script runs, Ultimecia is angry because she was held without cause and hated/feared for no good reason.
Immortal Riona would not be surprised by this. The R = U theory actually makes Ultimecia less tragic and less interesting.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I wouldn't know. I haven't read the FAQ. That's just what I derived from playing the game a few times.ElFly said:
You keep saying this isn't supported by anything in the game, but here's what I used to construct Ultimecia's timeline:
In her speech before the assassination attempt:
Ultimecia as Edea said:
She's clearly angry about being condemned unjustly here. The speech makes almost no sense if you try to constrain it solely to the context at the time.
Then when Irvine's shot does nothing, and Squall goes to attack her.
She hates SeeD. She knows they're fated to kill her, but she doesn't know why SeeD is dedicated to that task, or how they can pull it off.Ultimecia said:
Which is why she has Seifer interrogate Squall.
This is all Ultimecia acting on incomplete future knowledge. This is why she orders Seifer to hunt down every SeeD and kill them.
Then at the orphanage:
The Garden fight presents further evidence that Ultimecia is working from an incomplete historical record, but she knows someone from SeeD will kill her:
Edea actual said:
She really hates SeeD. On top of that, they've just walked through the future and have seen every future SeeD dead. Those were the SeeDs charged with guarding Ultimecia.Ultimecia's only line you seem to think exists in the entire game said:
Anyway, keep on covering your ears and humming really oud if that floats your boat. I don't really see the support for your claim that the game says nothing about any of this as the quotes I've just provided illustrate. I'm not basing this off a FAQ, not the Ultimania guide. This is all from the game's script. Stuff you find without having to dig at all.
The only thing you have to do to arrive at this is look at the provided quotes than approach Ultimecia's quotes from the perspective of the sorceress.
evil solrac v3.0
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Ultimecia spent some time inside Rinoa's head while she was unconscious. she more likely than not used Rinoa's memory to manipulate Squall. it's why she uses Griever the guardian force.
Lumpy Onion
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ElFly said:
That is one thing I was just thinking of an hour ago. How does she receive this power and why? It hurts my head thinking about it because I just played the game through this week and I have no idea why "sis" can send people back in time. Is it ever explained?
Even if I don't understand everything completely I really like stories like this. Every time I go through the game I seem to find something new about it. Kinda like how I enjoy watching films like Mullholland Drive or Inland Empire over and over.
ElFly said:
The only thing I know about Ellone is that her parents were shot to death in the Sorceress war, and that she was sent to the orphanage around the time Adel was sealed, thats about it : /
About Ultimecia: The game does support this though, just because it's not thrown in your face(well actually it kind of is...) doesn't mean it's not there. Ultimecia makes many comments regarding SeeD and her hatred for them. It's not hard to put two and two together to realize why she hates SeeD.
I agree with Freshmaker, the R=U plot makes the game less interesting and less tragic.
major_killjoy
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Atilac said:
^This. If this was the grand reveal, at the end of FF8, I would've loved this game and the character of Rinoa. Realizing that she is Ultimecia and kissing Squall, in the last scene, (knowing full well of what is going to happen in the future) makes it incredibly bittersweet.
Bowflex
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You do know that this is purely a creation of fanfiction and not and actual theory, right? That being said, from here on out this is how I'm going to imagine the game, because its actually a really good idea and ties together all the idiotic bullshit in the latter half of the game. It also adds reason to the sentimental nature of the game (which seemed to exist kind of randomly), magnifying it and making the game even more emotional.
You should apply for a job at Square for scenario writer.
I like this idea too.
You should apply for a job at Square for scenario writer.
major_killjoy said:
I like this idea too.
How people find R=U is interesting is beyond me.
So, apparently it's tragic if Rinoa outlives Squall, then goes batshit insane, wants to kill SeeD for NO apparent reason (Yes, no reason whatsoever) remember, she goes to the past not the present. It's a silly idea.
You can say " No she wants the world to suffer with her" but why? That's not the kind of character Rinoa is, and it only makes her character seem even shittier if this happens.
So, apparently it's tragic if Rinoa outlives Squall, then goes batshit insane, wants to kill SeeD for NO apparent reason (Yes, no reason whatsoever) remember, she goes to the past not the present. It's a silly idea.
You can say " No she wants the world to suffer with her" but why? That's not the kind of character Rinoa is, and it only makes her character seem even shittier if this happens.
harriet the spy
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anaron said:
Maybe she is actually trying to fix things. Time compression, after all, brings her back squall.
My theory is that all the R=U theory haters were at some point teens with a crush on Rinoa, and they can't bear the thought that she turns wacko.
I should know, I used to hate that theory kinda because of that reason 
harriet the spy
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Freshmaker said:
How is it tragic that Ultimecia just wants to kill everyone for no reason? Even if she was sequestered for no good reason (which I don't remember being clearly evidenced by the game, but it has been a loooong while since i last played), do you think it's normal to want to murder THE WHOLE WORLD because of that?!? Plus, killing everyone kinda proves the point of people who actually jailed her, so that thought should her realize she was actually a bitch and then decide it was fair to jail her
Hell, that would make her a Uber-bitch in the first place, and therefore certainly not a tragic character.
harriet the spy
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what were those discussions? Do people disagree on Xeno's plot?Servizio said:
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I gave you the reason already. She was unjustly imprisoned (from her perspective) and hated for what she would become. It didn't matter what she did. History had already rendered its judgement on her.harriet the spy said:
She's nuts by the time she attempts this. You can't really expect reason from someone pushed past the breaking point.Even if she was sequestered for no good reason (which I don't remember being clearly evidenced by the game, but it has been a loooong while since i last played), do you think it's normal to want to murder THE WHOLE WORLD because of that?!? Plus, killing everyone kinda proves the point of people who actually jailed her, so that thought should her realize she was actually a bitch and then decide it was fair to jail her
:lol This compared to immortal Riona getting lonely and deciding to slaughter everyone who ever lived as a kick?
I can't say I ever had a crush on Riona. I dislike the theory for two reasons:
1) It is usually put fourth by people who never figured out Ultimecia's back story. So they cotton to this goofy theory because they think a back story needs to be invented because Ultimecia had no development.
2) Riona killing everything that ever lived because she lost Squall is just fucking stupid.
Since Ultimecia has a supplied back story, and the interpretation I came up with by playing the game on my own matches that of the creators, I think it holds more water than a nonsensical mess that was designed to fill a hole that was already filled.
harriet the spy said:How is it tragic that Ultimecia just wants to kill everyone for no reason? Even if she was sequestered for no good reason (which I don't remember being clearly evidenced by the game, but it has been a loooong while since i last played), do you think it's normal to want to murder THE WHOLE WORLD because of that?!? Plus, killing everyone kinda proves the point of people who actually jailed her, so that thought should her realize she was actually a bitch and then decide it was fair to jail her
Hell, that would make her a Uber-bitch in the first place, and therefore certainly not a tragic character.
So you're saying, if you were codemned a murdurer before your birth, you wouldn't be fucking pissed off? I mean they write her off like she had already done everything. Do I think it's normal? no, but it's a damn better reason then " omehgod squall u left meh now i hate everyone u all in teh past must feel my wrath ragahhh"
She killed everyone because it was their fault for condemning her for something she hadn't even done yet.
And I'm a girl, so why would I have a crush on Rinoa? :lol
cosmicblizzard
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harriet the spy said:
With a second disc like that, I'm sure there's quite a few crazy theories.
charlequin
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anaron said:
This is exactly why the R=U "theory" is shitty, and by extension why all such "theories" are always shitty.
HEY GUYS WHAT IF INSTEAD OF WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN THE STORY SOME OTHER RANDOM STUFF HAPPENED THAT MADE EVEN LESS SENSE AND WAS WAY STUPIDER
harriet the spy
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I can't believe I am defending this shitty theory with my life! :lol
To be fair, there are more real-life examples of lovesick people who blow a fuse, take a gun and kill people (remember that asshole who took a gun to a women's gym?), than wrongly convicted people who decide to avenge themselves.
I know. But, so, what works for Ultimecia doesn't work for Rinoa? Why do we haveto expect reason from Rinoa, esp. if she spend a fucking millenium alone?Freshmaker said:
Hey, I did say maybe she just wanted to be back with Squall. Or maybe she didn't care. Or maybe she wanted to end it all.
To be fair, there are more real-life examples of lovesick people who blow a fuse, take a gun and kill people (remember that asshole who took a gun to a women's gym?), than wrongly convicted people who decide to avenge themselves.
What a compelling argument.
Don't. It's really not worth any thought.
Because their reasons are COMPLETELY opposite. One has been codemned for something she hadn't even done yet, the other is lovesick because Boo-fucking hoo she outlived Squall.
If I recall, someone in the game says that she is trying to create a world where only she can live in(can't remember completely)
That doesn't make it any less stupid.
Compelling enough, that you could barely respond to it with a good rebuttle?
Freshmaker
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Witches aren't immortal. They die of old age like anyone else.harriet the spy said:
If she wanted to get back to Squall, she didn't need Ellome, and she didn't need to compress time. Also, why exactly was Riona supposed to hate SeeD?
Really? People who perceive themselves as punished for no good reason tend to be fairly violent when they snap. That's pretty much every single spree shooting. That's the professor who shot his co workers because he was denied tenure etc.
Then put more weight on my first reason. It is a stupid theory.
Seeing some good discussion here. I just wanted to say (harriet the spy) that I don't discount the potential validity of other interpretations like R=U, but I personally don't agree with it. We looked over it in writing our analysis and felt that it didn't have the evidence to support it. It's fine if other people find value in it, however.
I think LegatoB said it best: Squall's Dead adds value to a lot of things that previously seemed random, and, as some have said, as if the writers were just throwing the kitchen sink at the plot in the second half.
By the way, people accusing me of "making stuff up" (which I admit I did, because how else did this theory come to be) are doing exactly the same thing in the R=U discussion: inventing reasons that characters would or should have done or believed things in support of the R=U scenario. That's fine, but don't go around accusing others of being retarded if you're doing it too ;P
I think LegatoB said it best: Squall's Dead adds value to a lot of things that previously seemed random, and, as some have said, as if the writers were just throwing the kitchen sink at the plot in the second half.
By the way, people accusing me of "making stuff up" (which I admit I did, because how else did this theory come to be) are doing exactly the same thing in the R=U discussion: inventing reasons that characters would or should have done or believed things in support of the R=U scenario. That's fine, but don't go around accusing others of being retarded if you're doing it too ;P
harriet the spy
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Anaron... I certainly don't give a shit - you won, congratulations!
But.. just for the future.
You can't keep repeating STUPID STUPID STUPID and hope to make any good point.
How can I give a rebuttal to "ITS STUPID DERP"? You're being silly. But anyways, it was fun. Time for sleep... oh, btw
the theme of the game was love after all!
Tell me, please quote my post where I say that witches are immortal, and R=U is actually true?
You can't, because I didn't say this. I say it's an incorrect but cool plot, and putting aside minor issues like immortality (not being mentioned in the game), it's not completely baseless.
I don't see the relation. The prof wasn't convicted of something she didn't commit, she was upset because she lost something she wanted (hum hum). People who go on spree shootings seem more to be depressed people who can't handle their situation in society. I can't recall of a single example of a wrongly convicted person who actually snapped. And as i said before, it would kinda make me stop being sorry for them.
But.. just for the future.
anaron said:
You can't keep repeating STUPID STUPID STUPID and hope to make any good point.
How can I give a rebuttal to "ITS STUPID DERP"?
You're being silly. But anyways, it was fun. Time for sleep... oh, btwyou're so stone-hearted
the theme of the game was love after all!See, on the other hand, you're frustrating to discuss with. you just repeat the same points over and over, while not listening to anything being said.
Tell me, please quote my post where I say that witches are immortal, and R=U is actually true?
You can't, because I didn't say this. I say it's an incorrect but cool plot, and putting aside minor issues like immortality (not being mentioned in the game), it's not completely baseless.
I don't see the relation. The prof wasn't convicted of something she didn't commit, she was upset because she lost something she wanted (hum hum). People who go on spree shootings seem more to be depressed people who can't handle their situation in society. I can't recall of a single example of a wrongly convicted person who actually snapped. And as i said before, it would kinda make me stop being sorry for them.
RadioHeadAche
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I really like the Squall's death theory. It actually makes sense to me.
Anaron... I certainly don't give a shit - you won, congratulations!
Yay?
Oh but I've given reasons as to why it's stupid. But I guess you've chosen to ignore them?You can't keep repeating STUPID STUPID STUPID and hope to make any good point.
How can I give a rebuttal to "ITS STUPID DERP"?
you're so stone-hearted
I love the love in VIII, that doesn't change the fact that Rinoa going insane is laughable and oh "stupid"
You also repeat the same points over. " But she loved him" "but what if she was so in love with him that.." You base your whole point around it being "SHE LOVED SQUALL SO MUCH THAT.." she decided to destroy the world.
I just don't understand how you can still justify this theory and yet, know it's not true, and cannot see how utterly silly it is for someone to destroy their past selves and the world for no reason other then " well I loved him but I outlived him so....DIE"