noomi
Member
Yes.
Not just far gaming either, it's a great TV overall. The best $900 I had spent in many years.
I remember spending nearly $2,500 for a 1080p TV over 5 years ago, so you can imagine how happy I am with this purchase
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KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
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Yes.
Not just far gaming either, it's a great TV overall. The best $900 I had spent in many years.
I remember spending nearly $2,500 for a 1080p TV over 5 years ago, so you can imagine how happy I am with this purchase
I saw such a minuscule improvement from going from 0 to 15. Maybe the smallest text sharpened up a bit staring at it from point blank range?
I was approaching it very conservatively knowing it's a 1080p test pattern being scaled up as it is, trying to reach a setting that wouldn't introduce any artifacting to the pattern and still be "better than nothing" if I'd left it at 0. Wouldn't even say anyone closer to 30 sharpness is wrong. The scale is very fine.
I was mainly doing it to carry over to my Comcast input, which was looking really soft at 0 displaying 720p for sports stuff.
So has anyone successfully gotten a refund from Samsung?
My EPP order needs to be returned and Samsung doesn't ship a replacement. So now I have to wait 3 days to get a shipping label, and i will only get my refund 5-7 business days after they confirm receipt at their warehouse. The rep on the line said it could be 3-4 weeks before I get my refund so i should just order a new TV now.
But the EPP price is long gone, and the 65KS8000 is out of stock on Samsung.com until Jan. 2017. The same TV is now $1700 at bestbuy as well. Meanwhile I have to pay my credit card bill and hope I get refunded soon.
I'm never buying a big TV from online again if it's not from a store like Amazon that has excellent customer service. I hope everyone here is enjoying their sets. Sorry for being a bummer!
My EPP order needs to be returned and Samsung doesn't ship a replacement. So now I have to wait 3 days to get a shipping label, and i will only get my refund 5-7 business days after they confirm receipt at their warehouse. The rep on the line said it could be 3-4 weeks before I get my refund so i should just order a new TV now.
But the EPP price is long gone, and the 65KS8000 is out of stock on Samsung.com until Jan. 2017. The same TV is now $1700 at bestbuy as well. Meanwhile I have to pay my credit card bill and hope I get refunded soon.
I'm never buying a big TV from online again if it's not from a store like Amazon that has excellent customer service. I hope everyone here is enjoying their sets. Sorry for being a bummer!
noomi
Member
Hmm... it should be the opposite. When an HDR game is enabled backlight should automatically shoot up to 20, and when HDR is stopped it should be back down to whatever value you had set previously.
*edit*
Doesn't look like this is fixed according to Samsung forums
infinityBCRT
Member
I was putting the sharpness up to 17 in that video and seeing ringing. It was ringing. Look at the forehead. It doesn't come out as clear in the video as it does in person but it definitely was there.
Can you link to AVSForum discussions about this? I'm mighty skeptical based on the fact that I saw ringing at sharpness 17. Also, I haven't messed around with sharpness test patterns-- can you send me towards one?
edit: did some searching around AVSForum and general consensus I'm seeing there is same as rtings. 0.
Hmm... it should be the opposite. When an HDR game is enabled backlight should automatically shoot up to 20, and when HDR is stopped it should be back down to whatever value you had set previously.
*edit*
Doesn't look like this is fixed according to Samsung forums
Bummer. Sounds like owners need to start making some noise to get this fixed.
The way you're supposed to do it is to turn the sharpness way up, and then bring it down until the rings totally disappear. If you're being too conservative, you're actually still artificially softening the image at 17 - it goes both ways, although like you I'd much rather have an image be too soft than surrounded by rings.
I'd imagine that Samsung will have put 0 softening at a round number like 20 or 30. I see ringing over 22, so I'd assume it's 20. I'd love a confirmation from Samsung.
Did they pickup the TV at your house? I submitted my refund request last Friday so i don't even have a shipping label yet.
Yeah, having tinkered with it last night I would guess the true number is somewhere around 20-30.
Might play around with it some more tonight. Part of the fun of owning a new TV, at least to me.
Are there free or cheap UHD resolution test patterns on the net anywhere? Would be a good resource for this thread.
Mine had light bleed on the bottom left so I sent in a refund request last Monday with pictures and a week later no response and this is after 2 followup emails and a call.
Since I purchased at EPP pricing I was able to sell the TV for only a small loss and yes I pointed out the light bleed to the buyer.
Since I purchased at EPP pricing I was able to sell the TV for only a small loss and yes I pointed out the light bleed to the buyer.
Ouch. There's speculation that Samsung sold their "B-" panels on the EPP sale and that's why we're seeing $500+ discounts and then subsequent reports of customers receiving damaged or subpar TVs.
Clockwork
Member
Please remove the tinfoil hat.
I don't believe it myself. Only saw it on slickdeals and avsforum threads. Believe me, I want this exact same TV.
HellforLeather
Member
Yeah, this is some pretty big speculation...with that said though, my panel came with a nice cluster of dead pixels.
I shipped it back and just reordered it. Their whole return procedure takes forever and they told me that I wouldnt be able to price match it to my original purchase price until after it ships.....which is friggin ridiculous. If it wasnt such a huge price difference, I wouldnt have bothered buying it direct from Samsung again.
I think I'm done with Samsung TVs for a while. I sold my non HDR 4k Sony 810c last month and when I compare the 2 I actually think the 810c has better picture quality sans the HDR.
I regret selling my 4k 810c to jump on the HDR bandwagon since the picture quality on it was so good and also since it has Android TV with PS Vue which saves energy and can use the TV remote.
Clockwork
Member
I have this TV. Ordered via the EPP deal.
People will think of the craziest things to explain how/why they got a bad unit.
infinityBCRT
Member
I'm pretty sure 0 is the image the console puts out. What we're seeing is the artifacts being minimal 0-10 but then they start to become visible. sharpening destroys AA so it's not surprising it starts to get worse when you bump sharpness up.
Clockwork
Member
Btw, installed the 1154 firmware update amd watched some HDR content on YouTube. Simply amazing and in some ways better showcase than Netflix (probably due to higher bandwidth/bitrate)
Only gripe is it doesn't tell me that an HDR video is playing, but the backlight does adjust automatically.
Only gripe is it doesn't tell me that an HDR video is playing, but the backlight does adjust automatically.
Shit i think my tv is perfect its even better for the price i paid for it. Honestly i cant find anything wrong with it and im not gonna go hunting too much for things either.
It's a great TV, go for it.
That's honestly not the case. Use a test pattern with lots of lines. The ringing disappears, and the lines soften and blur. See the sharpness calibration video Phil0sophy posted earlier:
https://youtu.be/rnAaqy7mRLQ
(Skip ahead to 2:30)
I dunno man. To each their own I guess, but my buddy has the 810c, and I thought my 850d was better than that, and the ks8000 smokes the shit out of both tbh.
Nice to hear. Mine would have been great except for my little bubble which is driving my wife nuts.
Return it.
What are you gonna do about it? Sure youre gonna get another right?
I'm trying to return it but haven't heard back yet. I want to get another one but with the EPP pricing gone I can't really pull the trigger on $1300+tax from Samsung, shipping Jan 2017 or $1700+tax from Best Buy, when my refund from Samsung might not get to me for another month.
Clockwork
Member
Why would you do anything beyond the first step?
It was said in the video that switching it after gives you the downscaling effect.
Ill link the video. I was just suprised he switched to rgb but maybe that is correct? Anyone can confirm i should be using rgb on this tv?
https://youtu.be/rg48KvAVakQ
Im going to try the 4k mode but im guessing from word that the 1080p mode just runs better and you barely lose picture quality in this game.
8bitForLife
Member
i ordered my tv on black friday got a shipping noticed label was created monday the 26th of nov since then iv gotten no updates. Contacted Samsung several times and today was on conference with samsung asnd ups. Ups said they would get back to me withen 1 hour which was 6 hours ago. I am not sure what to do. I feel like im getting the run around.
Clockwork
Member
No it does't. It just has the PS4 upscale the 1080p image instead of your TV. Rewatch it.
thetruth1983
Banned
I have a couple questions. The op says to set color depth to 10 on the Xbox one. Could anyone explain why it should be on 10 and not 12? Also, I was under the impression that the bug was fixed where the backlight didn't ramp up to 20 on hdr games. It ramps up just fine for me using the Tvs youtube app. Should I still manually change to brightness to 20 on hdr games? I'm on 1152 btw
OmniscientZiltoid
Neo Member
From what I remember from the Digital Foundry video, there is no in game switching. You have to close the game (possibly through the home menu/close application), change PS system settings to 1080p, then launch it again.
Rbk_3
Member
I got my AA02 professionally calibrated this weekend.
A few interesting things. He set contrast to 84 for SDR because higher really shifted the higher range of the greyscale to a pinkish hue and found 93 was best for HDR as 100 caused way too much clipping. Also the 10% window maxed out at 1605 nits. Rtings FA01 maxed out at 1431.
A few interesting things. He set contrast to 84 for SDR because higher really shifted the higher range of the greyscale to a pinkish hue and found 93 was best for HDR as 100 caused way too much clipping. Also the 10% window maxed out at 1605 nits. Rtings FA01 maxed out at 1431.
ss_lemonade
Member
To the ones who ordered via EPP, how long did it even take you guys to receive your TV? I'm still waiting for mine (ks9000), feels like forever. I only did the standard free shipping option but my order apparently shipped from LA last November 25 and supposedly arrived in the area last Wednesday. Unfortunately, I just found out today after calling the local AGS office that the TV never even left California . The one that arrived at the local office was the bluray player I ordered together with the TV. They didn't even know why and had to shoot the CA office an email to ask them to deliver the TV now.
. The one that arrived at the local office was the bluray player I ordered together with the TV. They didn't even know why and had to shoot the CA office an email to ask them to deliver the TV now.
Clockwork
Member
1) The panel is 10 bit. If you choose 12 bit the tv will try to process it using 10 bit + dithering.
2) There has been no fix and your brightness will not change automatically if the TV is in game mode
3) Yes, increase the backlight manually when in HDR mode
4) The newest firmware (at least in the US) is 1154.
thetruth1983
Banned
Thanks so much for the quick answers! I love this community!
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
<Nods head> Just as I thought. I saw the (bogus?) results from the WoW disc and XB1 tests first hand but in actual viewing 100 is too high on my set. (AA02) Bright whites are super bright, almost blinding. It may just be panel variations that cause these discrepancies with other posters. FA01 panels may be fine at 100.
The real question is: what did he set your sharpness to?
Rbk_3
Member
He set it to 10.
Clockwork
Member
Ordered on Nov 15th and it was delivered on the 29th. Of course it sat in a warehouse 2 hours away for about 1 week.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
OK so I just got my KS8000 -- really impressed! Only thing that I can complain about is when the screen goes dark I can see patches of white. I realize this problem is native to the display and probably its main drawback, correct?
I went ahead and set up the Digital Foundry recommended settings and I can tell a BIG difference with 4K and HDR. The colors look washed out on non-HDR modes, and 4K makes the image incredibly clean.
Are there any other settings I need to be aware of that Digital Foundry didn't tweak? Or perhaps I should tweak differently? Backlight brightess at 20 seems rather high, but maybe it's for the best.
I went ahead and set up the Digital Foundry recommended settings and I can tell a BIG difference with 4K and HDR. The colors look washed out on non-HDR modes, and 4K makes the image incredibly clean.
Are there any other settings I need to be aware of that Digital Foundry didn't tweak? Or perhaps I should tweak differently? Backlight brightess at 20 seems rather high, but maybe it's for the best.
Rbk_3
Member
My screen is completely uniform when it goes black. The one I had before it was like yours and I sent it back.
Backlight should only be at 20 for HDR content.
WonkyPanda
Member
Well, the sharpness war shall continue.
I've tried the WOW disc, but it's honestly hard to tell. I've settled at 15 for now. I may look for a better sharpness test.
Your contrast settings are interesting.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I eyeballed it on mine and ended up at 84 contrast for the exact same reason. Are your reds accurate?