Spiderjericho
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DR2K said:
Ugh. I guess the "real" patch won't come until April when we get the DLC characters and the arcade character tweaks.
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Ugh. I guess the "real" patch won't come until April when we get the DLC characters and the arcade character tweaks.
KidA Seven
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If only Mago would make it to SCR. Having imo the 3 best players currently at an event would be so god like.
Mago, Sako, Daigo, Tokido, GamerBee-O vs USA???
yes plz
I was thinking about the highly controversial SSFIV in mlg topic. Would be cool if they had an event and brought out around 6 Japanese players. Would surely win the hearts of the fighting game community and bring in the $$$$$$$. (7 dollar signs because 7 is the best number)
Mago, Sako, Daigo, Tokido, GamerBee-O vs USA???
yes plz
I was thinking about the highly controversial SSFIV in mlg topic. Would be cool if they had an event and brought out around 6 Japanese players. Would surely win the hearts of the fighting game community and bring in the $$$$$$$. (7 dollar signs because 7 is the best number)
Spiderjericho
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KS Seven X said:
Maybe or maybe not. 6 Japanese Player's plane tickets would be about $1,000 X6 (depending on when they book it). Six Japanese player's hotel costs, we'll say $100+ X3. Six Japanese player's food costs, we'll say $360 X how many days they're here.
Also, the location of the tournament would be crucial. As it would segregate some of the usual suspects who attend these type of events.
On paper, it sounds awesome, especially for the stream monsters and maybe the high-level players but not so much for the pot monsters. And how much money would the event have for the pot?
That's why some of these events need to get more sponsorship (and I'm not talking joysticks).
Killa Sasa
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaand Cannon Strike nerf is confirmed. GGs Capcom and Trollno.
http://www.capcom.co.jp/blog/sf4/development_blog/2010/10/26_2787.html
Today sucks. My PS3 fake dies on me and now this.
- Via google translation and some translators on the Cammy SRK board.
http://www.capcom.co.jp/blog/sf4/development_blog/2010/10/26_2787.html
Today sucks. My PS3 fake dies on me and now this.
- Via google translation and some translators on the Cammy SRK board.
KidA Seven
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Spiderjericho said:
Depends on the size of the turn out or how big the game is. SSFIV is able to get as many people at an event as Halo 3 does. Halo 3 has $100,000 for first place at their national champs. I think it's around $250,000 prize pot for top 8. Of course, the prize money is split for 4 people.
With SSFIV, I'm sure the money would be good for top 8 since the following is much much bigger than Tekken is. I think Tekken has a 80-100 ppl turn out. SSFIV has a lot more people competing and viewing. Not only that, but the SSFIV scene has a known list of players known across the whole fighting game genre. I would go as far as to say, SSFIV players have more fame than any other competitive gaming scene.
SephirothRK
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need translation asap.Killa Sasa said:
EDIT: http://shoryuken.com/content/ssf4-arcade-edition-changes-ryu-balrog-viper-cammy-guy-2214/
Face it Tiger..
Banned
ran that blog post through googles translator,i'm guessing a better frame advantage would be nice for viper.
EDIT: meh at U2 change, it's straight garbage anyway.
EDIT: meh at U2 change, it's straight garbage anyway.
Spiderjericho
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KS Seven X said:
Wow!! I don't follow first person shooters but that and computer RTS games seem to get way more prize money. Is the turn out massive or is it something else?
Last Evo was like the biggest pot ever in America. And I think the turn out was about 2,000.
edit:failed in refreshing
SephirothRK
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Nothing really changes for Viper, some nerf for Balrog finally :lol
marathonfool
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Guy can finally play footsies. 
3-frame LK
No bushin flip elbow changes :|
3-frame LK
No bushin flip elbow changes :|
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
The canon strike nerf won't be too bad unless you can only do it at the apex of her jump like it was in the loketests.
If that's the way it is, then loooool. Guess she has 2 useless specials now. Except the ex version of strike, I guess.
Either way, she's definitely nerfed, but it's not gonna send her to low tier or anything.
And lol at her dp being easier to punish, like it wasn't easy enough already. I'm almost afraid to go to the Cammy boards on srk right now.
If that's the way it is, then loooool. Guess she has 2 useless specials now. Except the ex version of strike, I guess.
Either way, she's definitely nerfed, but it's not gonna send her to low tier or anything.
And lol at her dp being easier to punish, like it wasn't easy enough already. I'm almost afraid to go to the Cammy boards on srk right now.
Lost Fragment
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Dartastic said:
Don't get your hopes up. I kinda doubt they're gonna fuck with her too much.
biosnake20
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GIVE ME THE CODY CHANGES. GIVE THEM TO ME.
biosnake20
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also whats the point of any of those ryu "buffs"?
"God's Beard!"
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Come on Fei Long cMK special canceling, let's go justin!
I await all my main characters nerfs, I mean changes.
Bison:
Reduce is abysmal damage further
Make U2 a charge motion and keep it the same speed
Nerf footsies even more
Blanka:
Make his Ultra-punishable Blanka Ball even more punishable.
Add more recovery to hop
Reduce damage on Ultras
For everyone who complains about Blanka, I hope you have to fight 10 Hondas in a row. Eat an Ex-Headbutt and then complain about people doing "unpunishable blanka balls."
Bison:
Reduce is abysmal damage further
Make U2 a charge motion and keep it the same speed
Nerf footsies even more
Blanka:
Make his Ultra-punishable Blanka Ball even more punishable.
Add more recovery to hop
Reduce damage on Ultras
For everyone who complains about Blanka, I hope you have to fight 10 Hondas in a row. Eat an Ex-Headbutt and then complain about people doing "unpunishable blanka balls."
I don't want too much, but there are some small things that they could do which would really help us all out. I understand that my lack of getting too much better is a result of a lack of work. I probably am not going to really put the time in either, as I have other things to bother with. Whatevs.Lost Fragment said:
Axis
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Lost Fragment said:
she didn't need a nerf period...tkcs was fine IMO but people are saying you just can't TKCS anymore...but you can instant jump CS from slightly higher up...if that's the case then i'm ok with it especially since s.mp->c.fp will no longer be a 1 frame link(thank you jesus)
Rice-Eater
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Just my random thoughts on Ryu changes
- Far version s.MP is now special cancel-able
That's kind of cool, now we can do jabs, to st. Strong and end it with a tatsu or fireball.
- Close version s.MK's damage increased
I never use this, but I may now. Linking st. MK from a F+HP is easier than cr. HP
- Close version s.HK now has more frame advantage. They mentioned it's possible to link s.HK -> SRK
Now what I'd like to know is that can you cancel after the 2nd hit or only the first like Sagat's? That would be very nice if you could do SRK after it because close st. HK gives you a plenty of time to confirm the hit
- Less active frames on c.MK
I don't see why this was necessary, but so be it
- F+HP damage decreased
I also don't see the reason for this change, I guess damage will be down to 110. Hopefully stun will go up to balance out the change.
- Jump arc changed on his diagonal jump tatsu. They say it's harder to run away with the tatsu, but also says that its cross-up will be more ambiguous when jumping in
We all knew this was coming. It sucks but so be it, Akuma/Ryu players will just have to adjust
- Did something about EX air tatsu whiffing the last few kicks on hit
Nice I guess, but pretty useless as nobody ever attempts this anyways
It's hard to say right now, but if the buffs are what I hope they are, they could outweigh the nerfs and help Ryu more than it hurts him. But I'm just a scrub, I'd love to see what the top Ryu players have to say when they can get some hands on experience with the changes.
- Far version s.MP is now special cancel-able
That's kind of cool, now we can do jabs, to st. Strong and end it with a tatsu or fireball.
- Close version s.MK's damage increased
I never use this, but I may now. Linking st. MK from a F+HP is easier than cr. HP
- Close version s.HK now has more frame advantage. They mentioned it's possible to link s.HK -> SRK
Now what I'd like to know is that can you cancel after the 2nd hit or only the first like Sagat's? That would be very nice if you could do SRK after it because close st. HK gives you a plenty of time to confirm the hit
- Less active frames on c.MK
I don't see why this was necessary, but so be it
- F+HP damage decreased
I also don't see the reason for this change, I guess damage will be down to 110. Hopefully stun will go up to balance out the change.
- Jump arc changed on his diagonal jump tatsu. They say it's harder to run away with the tatsu, but also says that its cross-up will be more ambiguous when jumping in
We all knew this was coming. It sucks but so be it, Akuma/Ryu players will just have to adjust
- Did something about EX air tatsu whiffing the last few kicks on hit
Nice I guess, but pretty useless as nobody ever attempts this anyways
It's hard to say right now, but if the buffs are what I hope they are, they could outweigh the nerfs and help Ryu more than it hurts him. But I'm just a scrub, I'd love to see what the top Ryu players have to say when they can get some hands on experience with the changes.
biosnake20
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the standing strong buff for boxer is really good because now he can jump in with roundhouse on someone crouching and do standing strong which will make them auto stand and combo it into ex dashing upper into whatever they want
Rice-Eater
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Oh and I just realized there is no mention of Joudan for Ryu. Damn it Capcom, why can't we have that move? It would be a nice addition and not something that would hurt the balance of the game at all.
"God's Beard!"
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Rice-Eater said:
Other than completely changing a character's playstyle, sure. Let's let Ryu get a 300 damage wall bounce combo bnb and knock the opponent to the other side of the screen in the street fighter 4 engine.
DryEyeRelief
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Rice-Eater said:
just play sf x tekken
also damn you flash metroid for making me like chun li again.
SephirothRK
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Depending on how much BP you have and what the opponent have. Yours might be too high.Kimosabae said:
Rice-Eater
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God's Beard said:
300? I don't see that happening, at least not with my idea for it. What I'd like to see is for Ryu's Joudan to do the same damage as Ryu's Tatsu's depending on which kick you us. But EX will only do 100 damage, but will allow you to juggle with normals. So it gives him some more mix up opportunities, but the damage he gets from it wouldn't increase by much compared to just using something like EX tatsu.
And changing his play style is exactly what I'm looking for with this addition, but again I don't see how this would ruin balance in anyway. Anyways I'm kind of disappointed because we know Ryu from the SF4 engine can do the move(SF x Tekken), so I was hoping he would in a future SSF4 update, but I guess that's not the case.
abstract alien
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Is it novice of me to think ryu already has enough options as is? I being completely serious when I ask this, because although I suck, watching good ryu players has left me with the impression that he has quite a number of them.
Threi said:
While I don't disagree with you, I highly doubt Guy would be in Top 10. But let's save that for when the other changes to other chars are detailed.
SmokeMaxX said:
Look, Cr.MK is active for 5 frames right now, St.mp is active for 4. Depending on how many frames they shaved off of Cr.mk then st.mp might be viable. As i've said though st.mp whiffs on certain crouchers and has a worse hitbox. You might want to use your brain alittle bit, might help you win a few games in SF in the future. Just saying.
Rice-Eater
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Axis said:
Why not? I say make all characters stronger instead of just nerfing everybody
Solune said:
The point is to use it against standing opponents. You know all those times Ryu players would do cr. LP, cr. LP, st. LP, cr. HK? Now we can end it with st. MP, Tatsu or something like that. There is a bit of extra damage involved and well, at least it's something different looking combo to use against people and make them think "what, I didn't know that was possible?".
Axis
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Rice-Eater said:
i'm not going to disagree...but that's not what they're doing...buff everyone up to the level of the chars they think are higher than the rest...but they'd rather just nerf them
i'm over the cammy TKCS nerf...i'm 100% fine with it as long as you can still do it fairly low...easier links with her normals and the damage buff = me being happy as fuck
Solune said:
Lol... You're calling me an idiot? Cr. MK is active for ONE MORE FRAME than St. mp right now.
Let me quote the changelog for you "- Less active frames on c.MK"
But let's assume the translation was rough and they shave off just one frame from c. MK.
Cr. mk is still WORSE than it was ORIGINALLY which is what I said. In addition, that means st. mp is active for at least as long as cr. mk is. Which makes it very handy. You say st. mp whiffs on certain crouchers? What about the ones it actually works on? Sometimes the best tools in a matchup aren't ones that are useful in other matchups. Anyone who used their brain a little would know that. Guess I shouldn't expect too much from you though.
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