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AMD | Bulldozer, Fusion, AM3+, FM1, and What's To Come
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Code names for every last bit of minutiae is kinda overdone, though.[Nintex] said:
Yes. For that, they have dedicated products they'd like to sell you. Not to mention there would be issues with TDP, pricing, product planning, and so on.mAcOdIn said:
Intel has been largely dictating what happens in the market, so for that to happen, BD would have to offer high level performance, and/or very aggressive pricing. We still need retail, or near-final silicon to figure out at least part of that equation.Xdrive05 said:
Rabid Wolverine
Member
Still waiting.
Glad I did.
Even if Bulldozer is the pits ill go intel, now we are seeing PCI Express 3.0 motherboards getting released, just in time for the Fall ATI cards which will be PCIE3.0.
Glad I did.
Even if Bulldozer is the pits ill go intel, now we are seeing PCI Express 3.0 motherboards getting released, just in time for the Fall ATI cards which will be PCIE3.0.
Rabid Wolverine
Member
Some new rumors. Not looking good.
AMD looking also to bundle CPU's with Liquid Cooling Solutions. Speculation the Processors heat like a bitch mimiking the launch or the original phenom processor.
AMD looking also to bundle CPU's with Liquid Cooling Solutions. Speculation the Processors heat like a bitch mimiking the launch or the original phenom processor.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Just buy a damn Sandy Bridge and be done with it. AMD has not made a performance-competitive CPU with Intel's top of the line since the launch of Core 2 Duo (Conroe) more than 5 years ago now. It's foolish to think they would suddenly miraculously figure out how now.
evil solrac v3.0
Member
too late AMD I already bought myself and missus sandy bridges. way to compete there guys.
MeBecomingI
Member
I really want these new CPU's to rival Intel because I would really like to see them stick it to Intel and try and stay competitive performance wise.
Yet they keep delaying these damn processors and I keep hearing they aren't as good as AMD was saying... prove me wrong, AMD. Prove me wrong.
Yet they keep delaying these damn processors and I keep hearing they aren't as good as AMD was saying... prove me wrong, AMD. Prove me wrong.
Wolf Akela
Member
Unless BD will come out in 2-3 months AMD can say goodbye for me. I'm not gonna delay my upgrade for them anymore. Haven't had an Intel processor since 2001 anyway.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Been holding out on a BD CPU, but fuck this noise. It was dumb to think they could outdo Intel anyway =\
AMD just won't become competitive out of thin air. It'd need support on numerous fronts it just doesn't have (financially, R&D, development of fabs, shrinking the dies which gives an efficiency advantage even when not changing the chip design etc.). Everyone thinking AMD is even in a position at all in forcing Intel's pricing are completely kidding themselves. Intel's only real worry is having its sole real competitor look too weak which would make Intel look like the monopoly it effectively already is and has been since ages.
That said AMD does an admirable job proposing product changes with what little material it has to work with. Overly positive outlooks just tend to come back to haunt one in this industry where schedules are tight and new designs more often than not just don't work as planned on the first couple tries.
That said AMD does an admirable job proposing product changes with what little material it has to work with. Overly positive outlooks just tend to come back to haunt one in this industry where schedules are tight and new designs more often than not just don't work as planned on the first couple tries.
That only worked because Intel bet on the wrong horse and failed big time with it. Unfortunately Intel still had tight control of the market so in the end it made zero difference anyway except Intel is now better at keeping itself just enough ahead of the curve.itsgreen said:
Unknown Soldier
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Datschge said:
Not only that, AMD really lucked out because most of the DEC Alpha team joined AMD after leaving Intel. It was basically their design that became Athlon 64 and x86-64. They haven't done a single thing since then, which suggests that striking gold like that was a once-in-a-lifetime event.
Wolf Akela
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I don't think Athlon dominated that gen. The mainstream/casual folks would still normally ask "what Pentium is your computer? What's Athlon?". Intel also had this silly marketing advantage with Netburst since a lot of people still thought that more Ghz = faster.
Hell, in the Philippines, one guy got arrested on a TV show "Imbestigador" because he was accused of selling "fake processors" because the Athlon procs he sold (like 1700+) was only 1.4GHz.
The Dao of Dozer: Understanding AMDs next-gen Bulldozer CPU
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/93046-the-dao-of-dozer-understanding-amds-next-gen-cpu
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AMD FX Black Edition "Bulldozer" and 990FX Dirt 3 system demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp2XGoL9JaI
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/20524...dozer_and_990fx_dirt_3_system_demo/index.html
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AMD presents details of the bulldozer architecture at Hot Chips 23
http://www.technic3d.com/news/hardw...lldozer-archtitektur-auf-der-hot-chips-23.htm
*click for 1,203px × 904px*
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AMD Opteron Platform Overview And Product Strategy
http://www.hp-sp.ch/events/techcirc...ni2011/images/hp_techcircle_bern_amd_part.pdf
The top consumer desktop part will have 5 execution units, composed of 10 cores.KKRT00 said:
Mr. Wonderful
Member
Truly, if only to have some serious competition.Kyaw said:
Oh AMD 64 X2, how awesome you were.
Thanks to another oversight on Gigabyte's part, we now have what appears to be the final Bulldozer 1 launch lineup, minus turbo frequencies.
Socket AM3+ - AMD 990FX - GA-990FXA-UD7 (rev. 1.0)
http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=3880
FX-8150 @ 3.6GHz
FX-8120 @ 3.1GHz
FX-8120 @ 3.1GHz
FX-8100 @ 2.8GHz
FX-6100 @ 3.3GHz
FX-4100 @ 3.6GHz
Depending on who you believe, AMD have either already begun shipping BD to partners and are on track for launch, or there has been yet another delay, possibly pushing widespread availability into Q4.
Socket AM3+ - AMD 990FX - GA-990FXA-UD7 (rev. 1.0)
http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=3880
FX-8150 @ 3.6GHz
FX-8120 @ 3.1GHz
FX-8120 @ 3.1GHz
FX-8100 @ 2.8GHz
FX-6100 @ 3.3GHz
FX-4100 @ 3.6GHz
Depending on who you believe, AMD have either already begun shipping BD to partners and are on track for launch, or there has been yet another delay, possibly pushing widespread availability into Q4.
Globalfoundries tapes out 20nm test chip
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110830PR204.html
GLOBALFOUNDRIES Announces Design Enablement Support for 20nm Design Flows from Leading EDA Vendors
http://www.globalfoundries.com/newsroom/2011/20110829_EDA.aspx
GlobalFoundries: New York Fab on Track, Roadmap to 14nm
http://forwardthinking.pcmag.com/chips/287130-globalfoundries-new-york-fab-on-track-roadmap-to-14nm
IFA 2011: AMD's FX Bulldozer Up Close
http://videos.pc-max.de/video/4589/IFA-2011-AMDs-FXBulldozer-zum-Greifen-nah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vq5OS9T9Kw
SiSoftware accidentally published a Bulldozer vs Sandy Bridge comparison, and then pulled it. Two things to note here:
1. AMD has regularly stated that until NDA lifts, don't trust that anyone has final, or proper, turbo/microcode/BIOS/cache/stepping/silicon/etc. and we've seen benches reflect incorrectly functioning samples, and boards. This is even without including very early samples, meant only for validation.
2. This seemingly features a Xeon E3 against an Opteron 6200. If that's correct, though, the frequencies and/or threads are off. For one, the BD part doesn't match any of the previously leaked Opterons (which Gateway has since pulled).
So, make of this what you will. Hit the cache link for the complete write-up.
Original:
Benchmarks : High-End Desktop Performance: AMD "Bulldozer" CPU/APU
http://www.sisoftware.net/?d=qa&f=cpu_amd_bulldozer&l=en&a=
Google Cache:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...zer&cd=2&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de&client=firefox-a
Standard Processing PerformanceHardware Specifications
We are comparing an AMD "Zambezi" chip against Intel's "Sandy Bridge".
Multi-Media Performance
Cryptographic Performance
Memory Bandwidth Performance
Transcoding Performance
Cache and Memory Performance
Latency Performance
Efficiencies
Again, make of it what you will.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
More like Dozer
Wide gaps in these charts. I hope it is not a sign of times to come. Maybe it is too high of an expectation, but I would love to be able to play Dolphin with a Bulldozer APU without having to buy a discrete GPU.
But again, it's just one product of the upcoming line-up against the most sought-after Intel CPU. Benchmarks for other APU may put shed a betterlight on them.
But again, it's just one product of the upcoming line-up against the most sought-after Intel CPU. Benchmarks for other APU may put shed a betterlight on them.
That's totally in the air currently. I mean, CPU wise Bulldozer should at least outperform the current Phenoms, surely AMD wouldn't regress and the fastest Phenoms are more or less fine with that task but I'm too lazy to compare the leaks. So Bulldozer leaks won't tell you what you really want to know.Kenka said:
We'll have to wait until Trinity starts to leak sometime next year as that will have the all new APU paired with the new Bulldozer cores where as the current Llano fusion SPUs are derived from the Phenom/Athlon II core paired with a generation lower graphics core.
If I were forced to hazard a guess though I would say that, no, Trinity will not not enough to run Dolphin acceptably without a discrete GPU.
Rabid Wolverine
Member
·feist· said:
IFA 2011: AMD's FX Bulldozer Up Close
http://videos.pc-max.de/video/4589/IFA-2011-AMDs-FXBulldozer-zum-Greifen-nah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vq5OS9T9Kw
SiSoftware accidentally published a Bulldozer vs Sandy Bridge comparison, and then pulled it. Two things to note here:
1. AMD has regularly stated that until NDA lifts, don't trust that anyone has final, or proper, turbo/microcode/BIOS/cache/stepping/silicon/etc. and we've seen benches reflect incorrectly functioning samples, and boards. This is even without including very early samples, meant only for validation.
2. This seemingly features a Xeon E3 against an Opteron 6200. If that's correct, though, the frequencies and/or threads are off. For one, the BD part doesn't match any of the previously leaked Opterons (which Gateway has since pulled).
So, make of this what you will. Hit the cache link for the complete write-up.
Original:
Benchmarks : High-End Desktop Performance: AMD "Bulldozer" CPU/APU
http://www.sisoftware.net/?d=qa&f=cpu_amd_bulldozer&l=en&a=
Google Cache:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...zer&cd=2&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de&client=firefox-a
Standard Processing Performance
Multi-Media Performance
Cryptographic Performance
Memory Bandwidth Performance
Transcoding Performance
Cache and Memory Performance
Latency Performance
Efficiencies
Again, make of it what you will.
Not good.
But will wait for anandtech's review before deciding on purchase.
http://amd-member.com/newsletters/DevCentral/FusionZone2011.html
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AMD Reschedules Launch of FX-Series Chips to October, Changes Launch Lineup.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...s_Chips_to_October_Changes_Launch_Lineup.html
AMD's market in relation to the Bulldozer FX processors and clock speeds
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci...-Bulldozer-FX-islemcileri-ve-saat-hizlari.htm
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Am I seeing this right? 8 cores?! (Octa-Core? lol) Good god!
Unknown Soldier
Member
Post #53:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27379693&postcount=53
I told you guys in April not to believe in miracles. You guys should have listened. Well, the leaked SiSoftware thing is archived here:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...zer&cd=2&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de&client=firefox-a
Most people agree the Sandy Bridge numbers are accurate, as they are reproducible with desktop parts people have today. It's unlikely the Bulldozer numbers are fake, why would SiSoftware fake results?
You guys who have been waiting for so long can go and buy your Sandy Bridges now. AMD is finished in the enthusiast space, and probably the server space. Which means they are finished as a legitimate competitor to Intel in all but the lowest-margin Best Buy computers.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27379693&postcount=53
I told you guys in April not to believe in miracles. You guys should have listened. Well, the leaked SiSoftware thing is archived here:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...zer&cd=2&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de&client=firefox-a
Most people agree the Sandy Bridge numbers are accurate, as they are reproducible with desktop parts people have today. It's unlikely the Bulldozer numbers are fake, why would SiSoftware fake results?
You guys who have been waiting for so long can go and buy your Sandy Bridges now. AMD is finished in the enthusiast space, and probably the server space. Which means they are finished as a legitimate competitor to Intel in all but the lowest-margin Best Buy computers.
DeFiBkIlLeR
Banned
Those results are pretty shocking....30% slower clock for clock than a Sandybridge CPU.
Intel must be lol'ing....hard.
Intel must be lol'ing....hard.
specialguy
Banned
Unknown Soldier said:
Well, AMD survives today, and I seriously doubt Bulldozer offers LESS performance than AMD's current chips...no, of course it can only be an improvement from their current situation, even if we assume it's not as much as hoped. Which still seems viable. I was shocked recently when I went on newegg and discovered AMD CPU's have vastly more user reviews (basically indicating sales on newegg) than Intel Sandy Bridge ones (I just assumed Sandy Bridge would be totally dominant in the enthusiast space). I recall something like 1500 for one AMD Phenom CPU I looked at vs ~200 for the most popular Sandy Bridges. I'm guessing a ton of people had socket AM3 and did a in place upgrade.
The bottom line is price, I've learned in the chip game you can look at any spec you want, the key one that will tell you the true performance is price. I seem to recall the highest priced bulldozers according to a supposed leaked price chart to be around $300. If so you can be assured the top bulldozer performs as well as whatever Intel has at $300. So that didn't seem to bode too badly for Bulldozer, even if it did indicate Intel would maintain the absolute performance lead, it would at least seem to indicate bulldozer would be competitive with the majority of mainstream sandy bridges which are in that 200-300 sweet spot.
Anyways as said I doubt your extravagant doom is warranted, AMD has been behind in performance most of it's life but has always survived at least as a low cost alternative, seems to me there's plenty of room for two players in the space always. And of course now AMD has a GPU segment to better cushion any blow.
And on another note, those sisoft benches dont look like any typical consumer site benchmark suite you would see, so I'm skeptical, that combined with the "early/leak/who knows how much is real/final" questions as well.
All that said, would be disappointing if Bulldozer fares poorly.
BTW, so NDA on Bulldozer ends Sep 13 or Oct?
Sisoft is one of the benchmark suites, granted now a days people run their own tests using shit they like but back in the day when everyone was using actual benchmark software Sisoft was one of the most prominent. Kinda like how a lot of sites don't use 3dMark anymore and just run a gamut of games but there was a time when you had to see the 3dMark score or else it was useless as a review.
That said, I think Bulldozer will suck. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt before but the delay's too long now. I doubt these will be slower than a similarly clocked Phenom but it wouldn't exactly be the first time something like that has happened, cough-Pentium 4-cough, it's entirely possible that AMD may have decided that this design will give them more scalability in the future but may suck right now.
That said I agree with the rest, so long as for the money it performs as well as the same chip you can get from Intel for that price who holds the absolute performance crown is nothing but bragging rights.
That said, I think Bulldozer will suck. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt before but the delay's too long now. I doubt these will be slower than a similarly clocked Phenom but it wouldn't exactly be the first time something like that has happened, cough-Pentium 4-cough, it's entirely possible that AMD may have decided that this design will give them more scalability in the future but may suck right now.
That said I agree with the rest, so long as for the money it performs as well as the same chip you can get from Intel for that price who holds the absolute performance crown is nothing but bragging rights.
Wasn't optimistic, but was hoping AMD would pull out something. Delay is just another kick in the pants.
The only thing they can do now on a new socket is play hardball on the value proposition and go after OEM's with Fusion.
That's not a bad market segment, but I'd like some higher up competition in things other than core count per $.
The only thing they can do now on a new socket is play hardball on the value proposition and go after OEM's with Fusion.
That's not a bad market segment, but I'd like some higher up competition in things other than core count per $.
BD cores are different.shagg_187 said:
IchigoSharingan
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DeFiBkIlLeR said:
For Intel to laugh at AMD, it would require Intel to acknowledge AMD's existence. I don't think AMD has even made it that far yet.
Welp, waited for BD, wanting to replace my Phenom II system. Time to jump ship to a i5 2500k.
Days later, and some major sites are only now picking up on the SiSoftware Bulldozer vs Sandy Bridge piece.
http://twitter.com/anandshimpi
Well...Rabid Wolverine said:
http://twitter.com/anandshimpi
We'll see.