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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Stop it, you're crushing his dreams!
I think what he meant with that statement is that
if the franchise is dead for the Japanese market
then Nintendo should focus to make it even more atractive to the western audience
and literally dismiss Japan from the checklist
Since Retro is a very talented developer group and is from the west it's almost a shoe in
I love Fire Emblem but Advance Wars should be getting more love too!
Sometimes there is no justice
uh, my point was Japan doesn't care about (console) Zelda anymore, so they should just shift focus to the Western audience.
I love Fire Emblem but Advance Wars should be getting more love too!
Sometimes there is no justice
Oh, I'd take another Advance Wars, too... if it had the same tone and art of Days of Ruin.
bgassassin
Member
Screw that. I want AAAAAA. That's all I play now, can't go back!
That's a high level of elitism.
How can I reach that level?
I would add a third that partially ties in with content and that's properly exploiting the feature set of the controller.
http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34683.wss
IBM said:
Couple choice bolds for what to expect.
We had Hunters on the DS already. It was like Quake with Metroid Prime character rejects. Controls were interesting but the game wasnt really Metroid.
I don't think they need Retro for this.
TheCongressman1
Member
Uh, I guess they don't need them for it, but they would certainly be a good (the best) choice.
Agreed. DoR was pretty goddamn good.
Sadly, Advance Wars seems to be more dead than alive these days.
I want more revivals of old Nintendo IPs
It's not as bad as all that. I don't see the connection between console zeldas not being all that popular in japan and the need to farm out the IP to a western developer. Even with its late gen blues and add-on requirement, SS did moderately well in the west. Twilight Princess did great. Having retro develop zelda isn't going to guarantee it's going to do gangbusters. I think nintendo is still capable of developing awesome zelda games in house.
Keep in mind though that this is coming from someone who holds TP as one of the best games of this gen and really enjoyed SS. Zelda does need a shot in the arm though. I'd be the first to admit a retro developed zelda would pique my interest but I don't think it's absolutely necessary for the franchise.
I've said this in the past, as well. I get this feeling that when the 5 years are up, we'll be one company short going into the next generation, and BOTH companies are liable to do so, for obviously different reasons (one likely to do it by choice, the other likely by potential necessity), depending on how this gen actually plays out in full.
I love how our statements are out of control, but saying MS is actually making decent money for the 360, something that has been shown to be an inaccurate statement for FAR too long, is somehow the pinnacle of rationale. And that he went after bgassassin, of all people.
It's also funny that he told us the facts are available in any search, and when GameplayWhore goes and actually digs into the numbers, we find him nowhere in sight.
I will, however, need to deduct points for not trying to re-state his point after evidence he was wrong came to light.
I give this troll attempt a 7.5/10
Saying shit like this when we have yet to see a REAL GAME for WiiU, not to mention having NO frame of reference to how powerful MS and Sony's consoles will be is just fucking ludicrous, like it's set in stone. Hell, even the RUMORS make your last bolded comment out to be completely oblivious.
If this logic holds, Sony launched a year after the 360, so the 360 must have games that look like inferior pieces of shit compared to the games on the mighty PlaySta..... wait, what? Most of them look similar enough for most people not to care, you say?
Yeah, you might wanna sit on definitive comments like this, at least for now, until we know exactly how wide the power margin is.
Sony and MS don't seek developer relations, this is a misconception... they seek PUBLISHER relations. Developers just sometimes quietly tow the line. This time around, I doubt many of them minded making HD stuff, though I bet some of them would have rather made games for Wii.
That's the problem... it doesn't matter what a developer wants, cuz the developer doesn't usually pay all the bills for the game, it's the publisher.
Ehhh, I've gotten over comments like this. So many game enthusiasts (thanks, bg, I'm borrowing this!) have this idea that what they envisioned Metroid to be is the only way to do it, like it's THEIR franchise.
The important thing most people don't realize is that things like
her reactions during the Ridley scene
If Mario had sat out the N64 era, people would piss and moan up and down about the narrative in modern Mario games, because up until 3D Mario games, the guy had about as much narrative as a block of wood. Bowser comes at him in a giant stomping clown-copter in Super Mario World? Mario's sprite doesn't even FLINCH with fear or surprise or... anything.
The problem with Metroid is that people made assumptions about the Samus Aran character based on this same lack of visual cue narrative from the sprite-based entries of the series. Nintendo decides to have a vision for the character, and it flies in the face of every assumption, people have a shit-fit and want to "retake" their Metroid. But it's not Nintendo's fault if the player made an improper assumption of who the character should be based purely on filling in the blanks due to limitations of the medium.
Agreed. DoR was pretty goddamn good.
Sadly, Advance Wars seems to be more dead than alive these days.
I want more revivals of old Nintendo IPs
I think that if Nintendo kept all of their IPs alive and well and active, you wouldn't see nearly as many folks complaining about Nintendo milking their franchises or whining that Nintendo needs to create new IPs. There's such a rich, wide variety of characters and worlds sitting in their possession, something that the competition could never hope to achieve. Like someone said earlier in the thread: Disneyesque.
Agreed. DoR was pretty goddamn good.
Sadly, Advance Wars seems to be more dead than alive these days.
I want more revivals of old Nintendo IPs
Revival of old IPs, eh? While I don't think it's dead, I'd give anything to see another home console entry of Custom Robo. The only one I've played was the Cube's, but I loved the hell out of it.
Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK?!
What's next, should Nintendo stop bothering to cater 3D Mario titles to everyone and make THEM more Western too? Same bloody logic.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Agreed. DoR was pretty goddamn good.
Sadly, Advance Wars seems to be more dead than alive these days.
I want more revivals of old Nintendo IPs
I'd take a 3D Advance Wars on Nintendo 3DS that linked up with a 3D advanced wars on Wii U.
If anything, I'd much rather Nintendo find a way to increase global appeal. Giving-up on Japan would be a bit heartbreaking.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
Except that Mario games sell exceptionally well there, whereas console Zeldas don't. They've already shifted Metroid towards a more western-centered audience, and it got us the Metroid Prime games, so who knows if it would be good or bad for Zelda.
So no, it's not the same bloody logic.
StreetsAhead
Member
Agreed. DoR was pretty goddamn good.
Sadly, Advance Wars seems to be more dead than alive these days.
I want more revivals of old Nintendo IPs
Do you mean stuff like Wave Race, 1080 Snowboarding, F-Zero?
Or like NES/Kid Icarus stuff?
Because, if it's the later, how much is there left to 'revivet'? (relatively young gamer here....)
TheExplodingHead
Banned
I think if Nintendo was going to hand off Zelda to a fresh team outside the EAD's (which they won't), my bet would be Monolith or Sakarai's side. In reality, if it does change hands it'll be to EAD Tokyo if anything. EAD is Zelda, the times or fans ain't changing that.
Not that it wouldn't be awesome to see a Retro Zelda, it just ain't going to happen.
Hey! easy, buddy.
I just shared what I think he meant with his comment
and apparently I was right.
Not that I agree with him tho
The_Endgamer
Member
StreetsAhead
Member
I think this is pretty accurate.
Another idea: if Retro were to do a Bald Space Marine game, I'd love for them to make it a parody of the genre. Make it play well, but make it hysterical. Good dialogue, overboard production values, good jokes at the expense of industry characters and archetypes, poking fun at developers/publishers/media, ridiculous cutscenes, etc. Have common mechanics of the FPS genre present, but totally blast their non-sensical relationship with reality.
God, the possibilities would be fantastic! That's it - I've finally decided what I want Retro to do!
God, the possibilities would be fantastic! That's it - I've finally decided what I want Retro to do!
Galaxy 2 sold close to 1 million units in Japan. Skyward Sword sold 300k.
Come on now. Zelda is a series that lends itself to being westernized. Mario is NOT...
It's not absolutely necessary, but they're wasting their time and resources forcing their in house talent to work on a game for 3+ years that is going to sell a pathetic 300k in their home country. EAD should focus on the 3DS Zelda. Give Retro a shot at Wii U Zelda.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
Like other NPC's cracking jokes and laughing at the player character for walking like a stiff robot and "head-only-turns-with-gun".
I.E. "Hey Brian, look he's doing it again (pointing at player character)...LMAO (in big letters MGS-style).
No, 2D side-scrolling Mario games sell exceptionally well in Japan. Galaxy, for instance, barely outsold Sunshine, despite 4x the install base.
See the above comment about the 3D Marios being the worst sellers in Japan out of almost ANY Mario titles, and factor in the lack of MotionPlus pack-in in Japan with the added burden of being the 2nd console Zelda, which always underperforms in EVERY region.
And no, Zelda lends itself to being as universal in approach. You guys are so willing to throw Japanese Zelda fans under the fucking bus just to suit your own tastes.
That would be interesting. Cross play multiplayer, each player with their own map and fog of war on. The big screen could be for the battle cutscenes. Not to mention full on map editor.
I want this so badly.
Anything would be fine to me, honestly. Nintendo should be less conservative and revisit more of their IPs. They already did a great job releasing things like Punch out and Sin & Punishment but I want things like Ice Climbers and Mother.
And Twilight Princess doubled Skyward Sword sales in Japan, despite... god knows how many times the install base.
All 5 of them!
TheExplodingHead
Banned
My Zelda hope realistically would be EAD Tokyo develops it, and it's theme and ambiance would be high fantasy but with a eerie early spaghetti western motif. Some of the OST for SS already were trending towards a western feel, so I'd love to see them pull that whole audio/visual/gameplay full circle.
As I said, there were circumstances that weren't present in the American release that prevented higher numbers. But I see you'd rather be glib and dismissive than address that point.
Agent Unknown
Member
Bzzzt. Wrong. "Player assumptions" and personal fantasies of the character aside, Samus being a very dark noir, stoic and emotionally controlled character is exactly how Sakamoto HIMSELF insisted she be portrayed when Tanabe was doing research for Retro prior to/during early production on MP 1:
http://wii.ign.com/articles/101/1016511p2.html
Hardly the same vulnerable, weak-willed and very emotional character we saw in Other M's cut scenes who Sakamoto now at this later date insists is the "real Samus." It's his choice and I respect that but as the above evidence shows, you can't blame it all on fan perception.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Good news to me, I'm firming in the Twilight Princess camp. I'm not your tradtional Zelda or Nintendo player. I'm a Sega gamer, but I came to love Zelda, I would love if EAD Tokyo and Retro joined forces to create the ultimate Twilight Prncess Zelda with non of it's flaws (barron Hyrule Field). With the graphics of the Zelda Wii U demo, 30fps 720p with CG-like graphics and lighting.
ShockingAlberto
Member
The Retro Zelda thing is the stupidest topic in this thread.
And that says so fucking much.
And that says so fucking much.
That's how she'd react to a random Space Pirate. Were she to whimper at the sight of all of them, I'd see a problem. But she doesn't. My statement still stands, because the quote you offered showed a single situation, which doesn't deviate at all from anything presented in Other M.
The Xtortionist
Member
Did the Prime games never happen? I recall Samus kicking Ridley's ass three times in those games without having a nervous breakdown. Or am I missing something.
It is kinda tiresome. But we always seem to revisit the matter in depth about once or twice a month. =)
Exactly!
And during one stage, I'd want a fake chat window in the lower corner of the screen, with an eleven-year-old cursing at your every move through that scene. I'm talking about cursing that would make Andrew Dice Clay blush!
God, we've just hit the tip of the iceberg.. a parody would be sooo rich!
Well, how am I supposed to argue that? Sales COULD have been higher, but facts are facts. Skyward Sword sold like crap in Japan. I'm sure Nintendo did their research with regards to packing in Motion+ with the game.
Ultimately, Nintendo has plenty of strong Japanese IPs. Nintendo could use some strong Western IPs. Zelda could be one.
It's not as bad as all the hypothetical hardware specs analysis'. At least this is readable
jump_button
Banned
Retro should be free to do what they want, and i dont think ill like a none Japanese Zelda game
Agent Unknown
Member
Uh, no. The context of what Tanabe was asking Sakamoto was pretty clear, ie: We're making a game with your baby, so how does Samus react in combat situations? What is her personality? Your line that "Oh what he meant is that she doesn't care in that one situation since it's 'just a space pirate" doesn't fly because Sakamoto flavored that scenario even further by indicating she wouldn't show emotion or possibly care even if there was also an innocent hostage's life at stake who might get hit by crossfire. Yet in Other M she was very emotional and super warm and caring whenever she encountered ANY character, even the scientists. Like I said, he can do whatever he wants with the character, just don't paint this line that it's all to be blamed on fan disappointment and expectations "Star Wars prequel defense" style.
I didn't think I'd like a non Japanese Metroid game.
It's not as bad as all the hypothetical hardware specs analysis'. At least this is readable
That's all greek to me. Being honest, I feel a bit embarrassed and self-conscious that I don't know enough to contribute to those conversations.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
^This
bgassassin
Member
Haha. No problem. A thread I made awhile back caused me to establish some clear terms and definitions on how to label those things for my personal use.
Non-gamer - This is the individual that can has no real motivation to buy a console of any kind. If they do play a game then they prefer things to be simple to get into and "short" in length. They would much rather spend a few hours playing games with people where goals can be completed in minutes rather than spending 20 or so hours to beat a game.
Casual gamer - This individual has a desire for gaming, but for varying reasons are not able to give a lot of time to playing games. They play when they can, but family, work, money, etc. keeps them from contributing larger amounts of time to their would be hobby.
Gaming enthusiast - This individual will make sure their hobby is fulfilled. They know when a game they want will release. They put time into being good at their game of choice. While all three categories can be broken down into sub-groups based on preference(s), they are most evident with the enthusiast. These sub-groups include, but are not limited to gaming platform, genre, franchise, etc.
XD
I envision the NPC running around in a mocking manner as well.
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