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Satoru Iwata: Nintendo 2013 R&D Preview [Large Scale Restructure, New Miyamoto Team]
- Thread starter Shikamaru Ninja
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metalslimer
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At the very least Nintendo Land is a much more exciting prospect for a casual game than anything that team has done in the last couple of years. I want Nintendo to create the next generation of Kirby, Star Fox, Metroid, etc, so they have an even bigger pool to choose from. Part of Nintendo's problem is that they are stuck having to make more of the same to sell their systems because of the lack of 3rd party support.
Most bad games eventually started off as good ideas.
Most bad games eventually started off as good ideas.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Really? It's kinda vision-less. The games look fun but the only thing that differentiates it from any other mini-game collection is, well, fan-service. And it's not even that good a level of fan-service. I agree with the sentiment that it comes across as a bit effortless, at least on the face of it.
Yeah, I feel that with budgets exploding next time around, Nintendo (and really, probably everyone else) will put a bigger focus on games that they can make for Wii U Ware and such.
Has Nintendo actually created any Wii Ware titles, btw?
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
Oh god, yes. This is what I'm talking about.
wasn't the ART STYLE games all Nintendo? Cubello, Light Trax, Orbient, Rotohex?
metalslimer
Member
I was speaking comparitively to Nintendo's casual games in the last couple of years. The mini games actually seem to have a level of depth to them even if it's not much. Compare to this crap like Wii Party, Wii Play Motion, Nintendogs+Cats, etc. Even Wii Sports which is cited as some kind of revolution wasn't all that original. Motion sports had been done for years before hand even with a peripheral. Of course I have no intention of ever buying Nintendo Land standalone since I probably will be too late for the deluxe model. I'm just fucking ready to see Nintendo's games for Wii U that weren't either moved up from the Wii or rushed to make launch.
Japanese devs at least will be heavily behind Wii-U in most of their projects next gen imo. Devs that develop games that are geared toward the Japanese Market really have no other choice if they want to thrive on consoles in the homeland. Developers have already shown a willingness to jump from Sony for greener Nintendo pastures in the case of 3DS, since it seems that the only thing that kept them from being on DS instead PSP was the DS physically being incapable of high quality 3D, it may be that Japanese developers will be perfectly content developing for the dominant Nintendo Japanese home console in favor of the PS3 since it is now HD capable.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Skip, the Chibi-Robo and GiFTPiA guys, did those. I think.
Motion sports may have been done before but no-one did it as well as Nintendo did with Wii Sports. That shit took off like wildfire for a reason. It's not Nintendo's best game in years but it's easily their most successful, in terms of its goals and ambitions, and how thoroughly it accomplished them.
Nintendoland seems like it's almost being positioned as the equivalent for the Wii U, when it's not really showing any signs of being anything nearly as transcendental, so that's why it's not as exciting for me. It'll probably be more fun in the short term, but it's not like you'll be able to play it with your folks or anything.
If that's the stuff Miyamoto wants to do then that's fine, and in this case it would mean it isn't spending EAD's resources to make them. If Miyamoto is developing more core stuff, then great too! It's win win.
metalslimer
Member
Fluidity was Nintendo published although they don't actually own the studio that made it.
I dunno, I never understood why Nintendo never just expanded the number of development teams they had with all the money and success they were having so they could compete with more large-scale hardcore titles alongside their casual stuff, and thus please everyone. It seems like they'd be even better positioned to offer a wider range of experiences and capture all segments of the market more decisively. I never got why they didn't go for the jugular when they had a chance...
Ah... then yeah I don't think Nintendo developed any Wii Ware games...
Wait, wasn't there a Dr. Mario WiiWare game or something?
metalslimer said:
Yeah a bunch of WiiWare stuff was Nintendo published (that Aquarium thing was too, iirc), but developed?
Truth bombs right here.
Hot Coldman
Banned
That was an Arika joint, the Endless Ocean/Street Fighter EX folks. These are all co-productions technically, but it basically amounts to Tanabe making sure they aren't buggering it all up.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Ummm... shouldn't they have done this a few years ago? You know, before they launched their new handheld and console?
metalslimer
Member
Probably because expanding that quickly and then having their success fall from under them would hurt them more than help. They have been hiring constantly since 2006 though and have a lot more people since then.
They started the process of building their new R&D facility years ago. This isn't something you just implement in a small time frame. It's just like any business. A large scale restructure takes a long time
Wow, so Nintendo never developed any games for Wii Ware? That's...pretty shocking.
Spieler Eins
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Intelligent Systems made a WiiWare game in which you shoot cans or something. There's also a WiiWare Warioware game.
Hot Coldman
Banned
The closest find I can find is SPD3 making Rock 'n' Roll Climber.
One game. :lol
EDIT: Nope, co-developed with "Vitei"
ReyVGM
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Hot Coldman
Banned
metalslimer
Member
Really, never heard anything about this. I wonder how many employees Retro currently has
kunonabi
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It was more of music theory/teaching tool as opposed to Nintendo's take on guitar hero which everyone assumed it was. It could have used higher quality samples and more tracks but the game itself was solid. I find it much harder to put together a quality composition in wii music than getting a high score in guitar hero which doesn't hold a candle to guitar freaks/beatmania etc. anyway.
Look them up in google maps.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Oh make no mistake, I'm no fan of the Wii _____ line in general (except Play Tanks and Sports Resort Flight), but I don't think they were cheapo throwaway endeavors either. A lot of thought, experimentation and likely investment obviously went into them, which is something the low end production values mask.You really think a poor improvisational midi game and a bunch of stripped down bare motion sports going to cost much to make? Shit, motion sports games were being made well before Nintendo came to the table, so it's not even like the idea was so radical that it would have required years of tinkering.
Still, maybe you're right, but it certainly didn't feel like it. I imagine the marketing budget cost triple what the game did to make. God, I hope they didn't spend much if that is the gameplay result
I wish game companies would release budgets in their financial stock holding meetings'
Anyway, your idea of what the 'small team' means is exactly why it wouldn't mean much to me. That's sort of what I suspect too, and therefore it'd be pointless. Miyamoto should just let his legacy stand and move on to brighter horizons. Dude is getting up in age, isn't he? 60s?
I think giving Miyamoto a small team is a good idea conceptually though. Even if you're not a fan of the fruit it bears, it at least gets him out of the way for the "mainline" stuff coming out of EAD, Retro, etc.
Nintendo is expanding though, as well as using their resources to secure the talents of good 3rd parties to make nintendo published stuff. Retro has been expanding as well. I wouldn't put buying platinum past them either, the same bromance that happened with Monolithsoft seems to be happening again, and hints of restructuring, Sakurai being close with the people at platinum and coming back to Ninty combined, most importantly, with Platinum's difficulty getting published and getting a budget, and I think that Platinum and Nintendo may be on the way to collaborating on a more permanent basis. EAD Tokyo and Platinum, imo are the two most talented and innovative studios in Japan, period. Both of them under Nintendo's umbrella would be amazing, and lucrative for both. There is no other Japanese publisher that has the resources to push and polish Platinum's games as Nintendo. Platinum becomes Nintendo's go-to Niche/hardcore action studio filling a niche Nintendo typically doesn't themselves, and Platinum gets a big budget and actually has a chance to have a wider audience.
Really? Wasn't there a report not too long ago saying there were massive layoffs?
I hope this means Pikmin 3 gets extra love seeing as it might be Miyamoto's last 'big' game. I'd love to see that series get a BANG on the third.
Yeah let me run a bit wild. Give me 10-20 levels, a long 20-30 hour campaign, challenge modes with enemy horde mode, multiplayer modes, off screen play, all the little bells and whistles of Pikmin 2. C'mon Miyamoto, this is your last big AAA production, you better blow this awesome franchise into the Mario, Zelda echelon where it belongs!
/Pikmin rant
Yeah let me run a bit wild. Give me 10-20 levels, a long 20-30 hour campaign, challenge modes with enemy horde mode, multiplayer modes, off screen play, all the little bells and whistles of Pikmin 2. C'mon Miyamoto, this is your last big AAA production, you better blow this awesome franchise into the Mario, Zelda echelon where it belongs!
/Pikmin rant
AgentChris
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Retro has been on a hiring spree.
No... The exact opposite in fact. Retro has been hiring talented new staff at a high rate for quite a while now. Ramping up for HD development.
Diddy Kong
Banned
Actively evolving...adapting to industry, the word's still out
Some people are under the delusion that he "holds back" games or "kiddiefies" them when it couldn't be further from the truth. He isn't leaving anyhow.
For the record, Miyamoto said he will take a bigger role in directing the next Zelda so haters eat your heart out
(I don't remember when he said that or if it was actually confirmed, I just remember something like that)
Glad to see that Ninty is expanding. Honestly, I don't even think the fanboy goggles are affecting me when I say that it always seems like Nintendo's management makes good decisions all the time.
I think any move that lets other Nintendo employees shine besides Miyamoto is a good idea. (Even better that it lets him spend more time with new games) New blood is good.
I think any move that lets other Nintendo employees shine besides Miyamoto is a good idea. (Even better that it lets him spend more time with new games) New blood is good.
Afro Gunsou
Banned
Edited to include the Sakurai pick-up.
I want him to focus on one game at a time. Create masterpieces in his vision, and let more diverse game design emerge for the company as a whole.
Heh, guess that would make more sense. Not sure what I was thinking of. Maybe it was Vigil?
Hot Coldman
Banned
chertipros
Member
I wonder if this means Miyamoto's much hyped new ip is a downloadable title
IrishNinja
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your post history makes this response really surprising
again with this? Shikimaru's apparently been around since before GAF, how is this news to you people?
i can't recall every name that comes up here either without double-checking sometimes, why the condescension?
....then why are you busting his balls?
Heh, guess that would make more sense. Not sure what I was thinking of. Maybe it was Vigil?
heh probably but yeah Retro has been on a big hiring spree poaching people from a lot of various places
