IHaveCandy
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Wait, Ryse is still coming out? I thought that just ended up being Kinect announcement vaporware.
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VG247 writer with long-term agenda, sketchy at best credibility: "Xbox is doomed!!!"
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Unbelievable price and a stellar launch line up is the hook. The following years of them dumping casual shit on you, however, you will have to be ok with it.
Terrordactyl
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Friendly bet says Microsoft has a substantially elegant, connected, and far more casual approach. I am "confident"
Ok, they might do a better job of it, I can give you that. But don't assume because Sony hasn't said anything regarding media functionality that they aren't focusing on it. Its really irrelevant to me in the first place because I buy these boxes to play games, anything else it does that I find useful is icing.
I'm just saying, Sony absolutely will not abandon the center of the living room approach.
Ryse is a hardcore game now (no longer kinnect only), that currently is undergoing work in the animation department. It's very real
.Syphon Filter
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i dont get it,how come MS let sony get the alleged better power?arent they in a better financial position to have the better power?
Price isn't a big deal to me. I way overpaid for my PS3 when I got it and it was one of my biggest regrets but I'll do it all over again if the alternative is anti-consumer nonsense. And I don't know exactly what games they'd offer to convince me, I mean I love me some Forza but that's not enough anymore. I used to like Fable before Fable 3 ruined it. I couldn't care less about Halo despite playing them all. I hope they surprise me but its gonna take some huge surprises.
It was probably pushed to the new Xbox and new Kinect when they figured out the current Kinect was not good enough for it.
Pretty much, anyone thinking Sony is going to become a one trick pony is off their knocker.
We're definitely going to be seeing huge media stuff for the PS4.
IHaveCandy
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I think Microsoft wants to replicate the first 3 years of the Wii. They want to build a good gaming box, but focus a lot on selling to a casual market. They probably want the peak of the Wii without the software valleys.
They probably didnt expect them to go all out and basically make the Sony Xbox.
BadAss2961
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Indeed.
UGH, what is wrong with you guys on GAF :-/. Microsoft as a company, understands that hardcore gamer's are not the only people purchasing consoles. The machine is designed to maximize casual appeal while having just enough under the hood to appease hardcore gamers. We only make up a fraction of dollars, and Kinnect is the proof. This is not the same design philosophy as the one behind the 360. Look at the PS4 if you truly care about a truly hardcore device with gaming at the center of its core philosophy.
Sony went to town on hardware specs under a 200 watt limit, if you want a gaming machine that is the one.
Ryse is a hardcore game now (no longer kinnect only), that currently is undergoing work in the animation department. It's very real
Ryse never was a Kinect only game, it was always a hybrid that was played with a gamepad and used Kinect for melee combat.
Makes me wonder if anyone even watched the Playstation meeting, they are definitely going for a center of the living room approach like Microsoft is.
They've been trying since the PS2. MS just beat them (badly) to the punch. They've been playing catch up this entire generation.
shinobi602
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Crytek/Microsoft confirmed it's moved to next gen, and that Kinect is now only "part of the experience". Great news IMO.
I'm not convinced you'll ever sell as many consoles early on in the cycle to casuals as Nintendo did with the Wii. I think that market has moved onto tablets and cell phones. If I'm right pandering to them early on in the cycle will be detrimental to the uptake of the platform and it would make much more sense to focus on the traditional early adopters - the hardcore. We'll see though. As always happy to be proven wrong.
Arrogant Menace
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ms understands that simply being the more powerful gaming only platform will not bring them far, they also want to profit
This may mean nothing to you, and is a terrible joke now, but GDDR5 memory is a poor choice if they had media functionality in mind. Sony will never reach the potential of Kinnect 2.0 with voice commands, gestures, and tracking ability. Moreover, this is more than just Xbox, but a ploy to make Windows Phone 8 and Windows OS 8 migration a reality. Expect some exclusive sort of operations within that ecosystem. This is a concerted effort to make everything a unified approach. Ain't no jokes here son'.
Brad Grenz
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Yeah, they spent 20 minutes talking about all the YouTube channel apps they're adding one at a time, and 30 minutes talking about fitness software. Exactly like Microsoft.
I don't think that the announcement of the PS4 affects much at all.
I do however think that the tides have turned to a degree with regards to charging for online and the like. Sony has improved their service and console to the point that by comparison the 360 really does suffer. Going into a new gen is a chance for the customers to reset (either actively or passively) and I think that is when MS could lose a bunch of customers due to complacency, they should have been trying harder to match the PS3's value proposition.
Like Kobun said on the first page announcing first might gain you mind share for the window that you create but after that it'll swing back to MS and then flip flop as each releases info. As Kobun said, there is surely no first mover advantage for announcing first.
I also don't think the games shown or the tech offer any advantage at this point as people have nothing to compare those things to. It is much easier to decide how truly excited you are about something when you have a bar for comparison.
As is being said over and over the ball is now in MS's court. If they do better in each area (price, features, games) then they'll surely gain the momentum going into the actual launch, if they are better in some areas but not in others then I suppose it'll be a closer race that is harder to predict and if Sony looks superior on all fronts after the MS event then I guess MS will have a really hard time next gen.
I do however think that the tides have turned to a degree with regards to charging for online and the like. Sony has improved their service and console to the point that by comparison the 360 really does suffer. Going into a new gen is a chance for the customers to reset (either actively or passively) and I think that is when MS could lose a bunch of customers due to complacency, they should have been trying harder to match the PS3's value proposition.
Like Kobun said on the first page announcing first might gain you mind share for the window that you create but after that it'll swing back to MS and then flip flop as each releases info. As Kobun said, there is surely no first mover advantage for announcing first.
I also don't think the games shown or the tech offer any advantage at this point as people have nothing to compare those things to. It is much easier to decide how truly excited you are about something when you have a bar for comparison.
As is being said over and over the ball is now in MS's court. If they do better in each area (price, features, games) then they'll surely gain the momentum going into the actual launch, if they are better in some areas but not in others then I suppose it'll be a closer race that is harder to predict and if Sony looks superior on all fronts after the MS event then I guess MS will have a really hard time next gen.
Most of those failed because they sucked. It seems like you are intent on being oblivious here so keep drinking that koolaid.
I see we have another person that ignores things he doesn't want to see, one of the main things they were pushing was social for the love of FSM!
Like I said juvenile, Vita doesn't suck and Apple TV doesn't suck.
Glorified G
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I was agreeing with you. I'm just surprised some people don't understand the obvious concept Sony is going for. It's well known that the early adopters are the enthusiast who buy plenty of games and its smart to target them first. There not going to be using this same strategy 2020.
Both MS & Sony want the same market. They're just doing it in different ways. There is no "Hardcore console". I would think people would be smarter than to blindly take Sony or anyone's marketing at face value. I would expect that from casuals, not an enthusiast who follows this stuff religiously on gaf.
Arrogant Menace
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No but they did spend 30 minutes going over social features cloud promises and MM sculptures
2 reasons
1. MS isn't just going after Hardcore, They are out for blood against Apple and is attempting to win the living room war, for not just gaming....but altogether
2. They probably thought Sony would just do whatever it could to just stay above water....Apparently Sony doesn't give a fuck and they just went all out
JimiNutz
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This article sounds like it was written by a rabid fanboy, not a so called professional journalist...
Has Sony got peoples attention for now? Yes of course, but its not like the console is available for purchase now, tomorrow, or even 6 months from now. None of this hype or excitement is anywhere close to actually translating into real world $ for Sony.
Pieces like these should be left for after E3 when we'll know a lot more about both consoles.
LIES!
Sony is all about the "core gamer" where Microsoft is only interested in "Entertainment".
Arrogant Menace
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Neither of these consoles will be hardcore , let's stop that nonsense. Both will contain casual bs,
Terrordactyl
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Ahh we agree, sorry I misinterpreted
I think its hilarious that they say they arent in direct competition or what ever, end game is still the same, rule the living room.
Hence why Microsoft isn't in a rush to show anything.
NemesisPrime
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I predict a lot of tears again next gen.... it feels like 2006 all over.
This will be funny.
This will be funny.
Brad Grenz
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Yeah, and there's nothing more casual than live-streaming your speedruns of Killzone through Ustream! You realize social /= casual, right? Xbox Live is social. NeoGAF is social. YouTube Let's Plays are social. Live-streaming DOTA is social. Just because Sony uses the words social and Facebook does not give you license to stop listening and substituting all your own Zynga-tinged fantasies for what they're actually presenting.
MaulerX
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The irony in all this, is that while the PS4 might be more powerful, the average consumer might view Durango as more capable. I just can't imagine Sony strictly focusing on games and let Durango be perceived as basically a computer in your living room.
Yep. I'll be one of the core that tells MS to shove it. I spend a lot of money on Xbox Live and I buy the Xbox version of multiplats. I have several friends that feel the same and they spend more than I do.
At Thruway you seem to know quite alot. I honestly thing the all angle approach MS is taking will actually work. But I honestly think MS would have a huge advantage in that endeavor if they make at least the biggest game Backwards compatible. Xbox live members would t miss a beat and could easily transfer their account without the thought of playing two Xboxes with two Kinects. You Live account on two systems. If I'm on my Nextbox would I see my self log in when I turned on my 360?
Either way, I think MS is in a great position this gen.
Yup. Pretty much.
IHaveCandy
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Microsoft might be doing what people expect Apple to do with Apple TV. Make a hub box that can play next-gen games and has an app store.
Beermeister
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Can't wait for Halo 5 Kinect Edition.
I think ms needs to be real careful here, the brand xbox isnt that powerful only in the usa, in europe its third best only really in uk does it come close to what it is in the us and even then us in the uk are a very fickle bunch. The biggest brand has swapped hands pretty much every generation.
To go after a casual crowd when your brand is powder puff around the world apart from home soil would be madness, no one associates in the rest of the world the xbox brand with casual gaming no one. To push the boat out to get this so called crowd from the off would be a massive misstep.
To go after a casual crowd when your brand is powder puff around the world apart from home soil would be madness, no one associates in the rest of the world the xbox brand with casual gaming no one. To push the boat out to get this so called crowd from the off would be a massive misstep.
Opus Angelorum
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So how are the early PS4 sales looking...oh.
As a guy I respect, I expect better from you :-/.
He's wrong how?
Sony have SHOWN early, not SOLD early.
Their early showing will mean exactly jack and shit if Microsoft releases first.
Syphon Filter
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i am sure sony wants profit too. ms bragged about superior multiplats and now they are alleged content with worse versions?
I think specs mean less as time goes on. MS will be fine unless they do something really stupid, look how many people bought multiple 360s.
Now, if MS tries to tie Surface/Win8 to the new console, and make it where without the Surface you're really missing something, that could be a problem.
Now, if MS tries to tie Surface/Win8 to the new console, and make it where without the Surface you're really missing something, that could be a problem.
They are launching in the same year and same quarter most likely.
Nothing new on the Durango specs front, thuway?
Nealand Liquor
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Gotta say if there is one thing Sony has been able to do that all these editorial pieces are proving, is they've finally recaptured a large chunk of mindshare they lost. Premature articles or not, it's a pretty big win when you center excitement and imagination around your product. MS better blow the doors off their reveal, if not Sony's momentum will continue unchecked.
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