If the party system was added in conjunction with the traditional lobby setup, that would be perfect. The system that Slant Six describes sounds like it'll follow that same setup, but without any mention if you can do it as a party. For all we know they may very well be doing exactly what you are saying. He didn't go into very much detail.
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SOCOM Confrontation - The thread (bringing back the REAL!)
- Thread starter Doel
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ok, so massive wall of text approaching. I've mapped out the controls and other idea's I'd like to see the series take. It still feels like the old games but evolves the gameplay.
* takes deep breath*
D-Pad:
Up - Primary Weapon [Rifle/SMG/Shotgun/Sniper]
Down - Secondary Weapon [Pistol]
Left - Lethal Equipment [Frag Grenades/H20 Grenades/Land Mines]
Right - Non-Lethal Equipment [2X Ammo/Smoke Grenade/Mine Detector]
This free's up the shoulder buttons to be used for other things. It's also easier to swap between weapons.
SII was plagued by grenades. At the start of the round it's nothing but grenade tossing. The lethal/non-lethal setup cuts back on grenade spamming and it's an additional element of strategy.
There was no way of seeing mines in SII, the Mine Detector will display mines that were laid down on your radar.
Analog Sticks:
Left Stick - Move character
L3 - Change posture [Stand/Crouch/Prone]
Right Stick - Look/Aim
R3 - First Person, reticle only, ala SII
Face Buttons:
X - Action [Demolition/Hop over ledges/Stealth Kills]
Square - Jump
Circle - Reload.
Triangle - Night Vision
Holding Circle will allow you to change rate of fire from Auto, Single, Burst. A menu will pop up and you'd select which rate you want by selecting it with the joystick, it will not cycle through them like the previous games.
A dedicated Night Vision mode should make night maps actually fun to play.
Shoulder Buttons:
R1 - Fire
R2 - Map
L1 - Over the shoulder aim mode
L2 - Cover
The map will cover the whole screen and use a grid system. You'll see an overhead view of them and your position on it. Each line on the grid will be represented by a number and a letter. This way you can easily tell your teamates where you're located or where an enemy is hiding. Ex: "I'm in B3, I see enemies in B4, I need backup". Your teamates will know exactly where you are. In addition, you can mark spots on the map. After marking a spot on the map, on the map will be a line showing the quickest way to get to that point, similar to the Saints Row map. The marking of spots could be confusing so I could understand if something like this didn't make it in. But if used correctly it would make it easier to organize a team.
Cover system would be very basic. No crazy Gears of War type stuff. Just simply put your back against walls, pillars, debree, ect., with the ability to peak and shoot.
OTS aiming would be for mid-range shots. If you try and use the OTS view in close range, you'll be circle strafed and gunned down. This will keep the close quarters combat [the heart of the series] similar to previous games and at the same time give the mid-range combat a new dynamic with OTS vs first person mode battles. When in OTS your character will be fully upright and move slowly and shoot accurately.
Misc.
Start - Pause/Options
Select - Scoreboard. Ability to mute/report players in-game
Radar will be sound based. Enemies will not appear on radar unless they're in your vicinity shooting an unsurpressed weapon. Silenced weapons will not appear on radar. Radar can be toggled on and off.
Camera will remain the same as previous games. Movement would still feel a bit arcadey - jumping off ledges, over gaps, out windows, ect. I do not want stiff, robotic Ghost Recon.
Party System is a must. Whether it's matchmaking or server list, the ability to jump around as a clan is essential in team based games.
Voice Chat could be also be mapped to the Trangle Button. This would allow a Squad System similar to Resistance/Battlefield. The Night Vision would be moved to the D-Pad, pressing any of the diagnol's would equip NV.
*exhales*
* takes deep breath*
D-Pad:
Up - Primary Weapon [Rifle/SMG/Shotgun/Sniper]
Down - Secondary Weapon [Pistol]
Left - Lethal Equipment [Frag Grenades/H20 Grenades/Land Mines]
Right - Non-Lethal Equipment [2X Ammo/Smoke Grenade/Mine Detector]
This free's up the shoulder buttons to be used for other things. It's also easier to swap between weapons.
SII was plagued by grenades. At the start of the round it's nothing but grenade tossing. The lethal/non-lethal setup cuts back on grenade spamming and it's an additional element of strategy.
There was no way of seeing mines in SII, the Mine Detector will display mines that were laid down on your radar.
Analog Sticks:
Left Stick - Move character
L3 - Change posture [Stand/Crouch/Prone]
Right Stick - Look/Aim
R3 - First Person, reticle only, ala SII
Face Buttons:
X - Action [Demolition/Hop over ledges/Stealth Kills]
Square - Jump
Circle - Reload.
Triangle - Night Vision
Holding Circle will allow you to change rate of fire from Auto, Single, Burst. A menu will pop up and you'd select which rate you want by selecting it with the joystick, it will not cycle through them like the previous games.
A dedicated Night Vision mode should make night maps actually fun to play.
Shoulder Buttons:
R1 - Fire
R2 - Map
L1 - Over the shoulder aim mode
L2 - Cover
The map will cover the whole screen and use a grid system. You'll see an overhead view of them and your position on it. Each line on the grid will be represented by a number and a letter. This way you can easily tell your teamates where you're located or where an enemy is hiding. Ex: "I'm in B3, I see enemies in B4, I need backup". Your teamates will know exactly where you are. In addition, you can mark spots on the map. After marking a spot on the map, on the map will be a line showing the quickest way to get to that point, similar to the Saints Row map. The marking of spots could be confusing so I could understand if something like this didn't make it in. But if used correctly it would make it easier to organize a team.
Cover system would be very basic. No crazy Gears of War type stuff. Just simply put your back against walls, pillars, debree, ect., with the ability to peak and shoot.
OTS aiming would be for mid-range shots. If you try and use the OTS view in close range, you'll be circle strafed and gunned down. This will keep the close quarters combat [the heart of the series] similar to previous games and at the same time give the mid-range combat a new dynamic with OTS vs first person mode battles. When in OTS your character will be fully upright and move slowly and shoot accurately.
Misc.
Start - Pause/Options
Select - Scoreboard. Ability to mute/report players in-game
Radar will be sound based. Enemies will not appear on radar unless they're in your vicinity shooting an unsurpressed weapon. Silenced weapons will not appear on radar. Radar can be toggled on and off.
Camera will remain the same as previous games. Movement would still feel a bit arcadey - jumping off ledges, over gaps, out windows, ect. I do not want stiff, robotic Ghost Recon.
Party System is a must. Whether it's matchmaking or server list, the ability to jump around as a clan is essential in team based games.
Voice Chat could be also be mapped to the Trangle Button. This would allow a Squad System similar to Resistance/Battlefield. The Night Vision would be moved to the D-Pad, pressing any of the diagnol's would equip NV.
*exhales*
what time is on the spot?Doel said:
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Man, after playing about six hours of Gears of War I think Zipper should sit down with an Xbox2 a copy of GOW and take some serious notes.
Not in terms of how the game play is situated, but in terms of control. The control and especially the interactive cover system from GoW is something that could really benefit SOCOM series.
Not in terms of how the game play is situated, but in terms of control. The control and especially the interactive cover system from GoW is something that could really benefit SOCOM series.
DemonSwordsman
Banned
The Take Out Bandit said:
no. if socom became as slow and boring as gears then no please no.
The Take Out Bandit
Member
That's just it.
SOCOM has a cover system, it's just not as functional as it could be.
There's plenty of crap to take cover behind on stages. I know, I do it all the time. Problem is aside from leaning out, SOCOM really doesn't have a quick and friendly means of popping up and fading away easily.
I also like the emphasis on lighting in games like Gears and The Darkness. Again - Zipper needs to take notes from Starbreeze. There should be no invincible light source in a SOCOM game. F@ck the bellyachers that can't man-up and use Nightvision.
Adapt or get shot in the face Silence of the Lambs style!
I also like the dive system of Gears. SOCOM could use a similar combat roll.
SOCOM has a cover system, it's just not as functional as it could be.
There's plenty of crap to take cover behind on stages. I know, I do it all the time. Problem is aside from leaning out, SOCOM really doesn't have a quick and friendly means of popping up and fading away easily.
I also like the emphasis on lighting in games like Gears and The Darkness. Again - Zipper needs to take notes from Starbreeze. There should be no invincible light source in a SOCOM game. F@ck the bellyachers that can't man-up and use Nightvision.
Adapt or get shot in the face Silence of the Lambs style!
I also like the dive system of Gears. SOCOM could use a similar combat roll.
Not much of an update this week, but at least we know to expect new info or something within the next 2 months:
SealTeam-6 said:
Another weekly update from Slant Six, but not much to discuss.
I'm happy they are keeping with the weekly updates though, even if they don't want to say too much just yet. Gives us something to look forward to every week. Keep up the great work guys, we can't wait to see it.
I'm happy they are keeping with the weekly updates though, even if they don't want to say too much just yet. Gives us something to look forward to every week. Keep up the great work guys, we can't wait to see it.
Steverulez
Member
Is it still due for this year?
Steverulez
Member
Awww, never owned a Socom game before but I like the idea of buying them off the network like Warhawk, was hoping this would be this year
The Take Out Bandit said:
I agree with you a lot of the time, but not this time... Socom is a realistic shooter... Nobody does combat rolls... What you have is a proven "dive" which your character animates properly: Shooting hand with weapon forward at ready, off hand adjusting landing to guide into shooters prone ready position...
I think Socom's set up is just fine as is as far as that goes... I'll blow Gears out of the water online no problem... Socom is fast yet tactical with heavy realism... It's really the only game on the market like it, and after all it's success, I have no idea why people haven't tried to emulate it, outside of GRAW's online which fails miserably, not surprising...
There's a lot of great twitch shooters out there, but there's not many quality realistic shooters, and SOCOM is the top of the hill in that regard... The "realism" is what makes it king... Only thing that's "off" in the game, is your FoV in 3rd person, but I understand why they did that...
Possibly an update but probably nothing.
Basically a guy from gamefaqs states:
Never the less, I don't want to ignore it and have it turn out to be true. Sure would be sweet if we could get another SOCOM 2 map at the launch of the game.
Basically a guy from gamefaqs states:
Never the less, I don't want to ignore it and have it turn out to be true. Sure would be sweet if we could get another SOCOM 2 map at the launch of the game.
Cold-Steel
Member
Yeah, great job Doel.
I've been playing the SOCOM games since the very first game came out, I was one of the first people to go online with the thing and I'm honestly not impressed with Confrontation at all.
Going from SOCOM II to SOCOM 3 was a huge downgrade and then from 3 to Combined Assault - what a joke that was. Then again, the PS2 hardware was the huge limiting factor then.
The lack of full updates from Slant Six does not impress me in the least. Sure, the fans say - at least we're getting updates! Their updates are few and far inbetween, have little to no substance and quite frankly - if the game is going to come out in January or whatever - we should have a beta already.
If there is no beta or if there is a beta but only 1-2 months before the game ships - then this is all bullshit. How the hell are they going to fix their problems to make a solid multiplayer experience if we don't have the time to point out all the glitches and random bugs we run into EVERY SOCOM GAME.
/angry SOCOM 3 beta tester
I've been playing the SOCOM games since the very first game came out, I was one of the first people to go online with the thing and I'm honestly not impressed with Confrontation at all.
Going from SOCOM II to SOCOM 3 was a huge downgrade and then from 3 to Combined Assault - what a joke that was. Then again, the PS2 hardware was the huge limiting factor then.
The lack of full updates from Slant Six does not impress me in the least. Sure, the fans say - at least we're getting updates! Their updates are few and far inbetween, have little to no substance and quite frankly - if the game is going to come out in January or whatever - we should have a beta already.
If there is no beta or if there is a beta but only 1-2 months before the game ships - then this is all bullshit. How the hell are they going to fix their problems to make a solid multiplayer experience if we don't have the time to point out all the glitches and random bugs we run into EVERY SOCOM GAME.
/angry SOCOM 3 beta tester
Cold-Steel
Member
I'm thinking 2008 release, February - April timeframe.
Anything sooner than that and the game is shit out of the gate, especially with no beta in sight.
Anything sooner than that and the game is shit out of the gate, especially with no beta in sight.
TTP said:
sorry maybe i should have made a new thread asking if anyone else can connect to socom CA.
seriously though, they couldnt have shut down the servers, right?
spwolf said:haha, I was thinking it got announced
my bad. ive gotten a nasty itch for it.
As cool as all the new PS3 titles look, this is the one game I bought my PS3 for. I need that new shit damnit.
DeejayKnight
Member
I haven't seen much about Socom outside this thread, but I didn't like much of the previous games in the series. Then again, I found out about the game way late!
Here's hoping I can get in on Confrontation and have a bit of fun in the process!
Here's hoping I can get in on Confrontation and have a bit of fun in the process!
Agent Ironside
Member
Ah yes, playing top 10 ranked clans on Gamebattles in Socom 2, memorable.
kenta said:
They need to compete with the likes of GRAW and COD4 though, those are SOCOM's biggest enemies right now, maybe topping COD4 is probably too hard, but given GRAW has stayed stagnant, it's a good opportunity for them to swoop in and take ownership of that part of the military shooter userbase on the PS3, hold an iron grip on that player base and never let go, make your userbase first-party franchise loyal.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
kenta said:
"Pretty good", whether that refers to presentation or game quality, isn't going to cut it right now, PSN title or not. There's some fierce competition right now.
Kittonwy said:
Not that I'm particularly fond of it, but how exactly has it remained stagnant? If anything, it's changed far too much from the original format.