ThisWreckage
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I'm not the only person that feels this way. But please, single me out to inflate the worth of your own opinion.
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12 Years A Slave (Ejiofor, Fassbender, Pitt, Cumberbatch) compared to Schindlers List
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I'm not the only person that feels this way. But please, single me out to inflate the worth of your own opinion.
Discotheque
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boooooooo
white steve mcqueen was a fucking boss man
black steve mcqueen is merely a good director.
Uh, no. It will be lucky to be nominated.and the Butler will still win the Oscar...
polyh3dron
Banned
Trailer looks amazing and yeah I've been a fan of Chiwetel for a while now.
Okay so I caught myself up on Steve McQueens movies Hunger and Shame....
Hunger was great, it seemed a little artsy fartsy at points but I liked it overall.
Shame on the other hand.... I'm sorry but I wanted to bore a drill in my head during some scenes.
Hell even Hunger had the same problem with the long overextended scenes but it didn't bother me as much as Shame did. I hope 12 year a slave doesn't fall pray to the same issues.
Hunger was great, it seemed a little artsy fartsy at points but I liked it overall.
Shame on the other hand.... I'm sorry but I wanted to bore a drill in my head during some scenes.
Certain scenes were excessively drawn out to the point where I'm thinking "Alright, I get it, get the fuck on with it" like some of the sex scenes or that annoying elevator scene.
I mean, yes, it kept drawing on the subway motif, you start in it, he ends his date by it, he keeps seeing married women in it, he watches his sister get way too close to the tracks...ect(what that meaning of this might be, I don't know but it was consistent)
But for all its positives, it ruined everything by painfully extending the scenes longer than they needed to be, like do I really need to hear the whole fucking terribly sung new york new york song?
I don't think I can watch it again without hurting myself worse than Sissy at the end of the movie.
I mean, yes, it kept drawing on the subway motif, you start in it, he ends his date by it, he keeps seeing married women in it, he watches his sister get way too close to the tracks...ect(what that meaning of this might be, I don't know but it was consistent)
But for all its positives, it ruined everything by painfully extending the scenes longer than they needed to be, like do I really need to hear the whole fucking terribly sung new york new york song?
I don't think I can watch it again without hurting myself worse than Sissy at the end of the movie.
Hell even Hunger had the same problem with the long overextended scenes but it didn't bother me as much as Shame did. I hope 12 year a slave doesn't fall pray to the same issues.
TheKaeptain
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lol THE ALMIGHT O WILL HAVE HER TIDES!
BlackBanditSho
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Just watched the 1980's version of this movie on netflix. Steve McQueen actively pursued this shit? THIS is the script that everyone's going crazy about? THIS movie offends me deeply. I was only going off the trailers and wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt. Steve McQueen's version will be a better acted, better looking, more polished piece of Brad Pitt produced self-congratulating trash.
TOP SHOTTA
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This looks fucking unbelievably excellent.
In a sad, dark, difficult to watch way.
In a sad, dark, difficult to watch way.
pedrothelion
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Are you being sarcastic? I hope you are. Just in case you're not... you're comparing 1984 PBS American Playhouse episode to this current to film. Need I say more?
I find most of TW's posts insufferable but I agree with him here.
BlackBanditSho
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Not comparing the quality of acting or production values. Steve McQueen's version obviously looks oscar calibre by the standards which hollywood deems movies 'worthy' these days.
This movie's content and message offends me. To that end, McQueen's version is identical. Now that I've seen the other, I know exactly what I'm looking at in the trailer, which, ironically, I had a problem with BEFORE i saw the original material. I wanted to give the new movie the benefit of the doubt, knowing nothing of the original story.
Now that I've seen it, pretty much everything that i feared - and a lot more - is in 12 Years A Slave.
IISANDERII
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Step back. Like you on a first name basis with him, suddenly he's great and everybody wants to be his friend and those who know him from his previous work now feel like friends with him
lazybones18
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So an interesting thing happened during the premiere of the movie at the New York Film Festival
http://www.indiewire.com/article/ma...texting-during-12-years-a-slave-nyff-premiere
https://twitter.com/timalamo/status/388686093509738496
http://www.indiewire.com/article/ma...texting-during-12-years-a-slave-nyff-premiere
https://twitter.com/timalamo/status/388686093509738496
robertsan21
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Being a huge fan of schindlers list even though Spielberg did bend the truth in it. I cant wait for Twelve years a slave.
brianjones
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movie looks depressing like all of mcqueens movies
is he ever gonne make anything fun
is he ever gonne make anything fun
Yes, let's make a topic like this fun
brianjones
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django was fun
Django was fantasy.
What exactly about the content and message offends you?
Intheflorsh
Banned
Came for the Fassbender, stayed for the McQueen.
Discotheque
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it was but maaan tarantino's kind of gotten stale these days.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
lol what a cunt.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
You spelled Gone With the Wind wrong.
I agree, the subject matter is what makes it powerful ..... not the direction nor the lead.
The best performers in that movie are Ben Kingsley and Ralph Fiennes.
Actually think it's underrated in certain circles, settings, the kinds I hang in for one thing, people who talk film on the web as well - a lot of film friends treat it as Shawshank Redemption level tripe when I think many forget how well made it was, how modestly it hits the right notes. Except for that one scene everyone remembers with the red coat, which has its use.
SCULLIBUNDO
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What a load of shit. Are you trying to tell me that Defiance, The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas, The Reader, Jakob the Liar etc are all powerful films as well because they're about the Holocaust?
The day Schindler's List is poorly directed is the day the Earth stops spinning.
lazybones18
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A-fucking-men
robertsan21
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The subject matter is great and powerful, unfortunately the films is based upon stuff that I as a child would with never dispute but the more I read into it and form my own opinion on it, I get more and more convinced that we have been lied to by the powers of this world. I wont be taking this thread in this direction so I will stop it here.
the direction is indeed pretty good if you ask me and one of Spielbergs best work even if the film is untruthful.
watwatwatwatwatwat?
SCULLIBUNDO
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What the hell are you talking about?
Jesus wept. Holocaust deniers on GAF? Really?
Tim the Wiz
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Dude. We have people defending paedophiles and eugenics and police registries of Roma babies. I'm never surprised.
robertsan21
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I dont deny it dude! wtf.
However I think its more to it than what we have been told all our lives. but lets leave this right now. no point in discussing this here.
MWS Natural
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I pray he never changes his avatar, makes his posts easier to skip over when reading.
Tim the Wiz
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When we talk about those dehumanized by the institution of slavery, I feel like there is a reductive view of who those people were. I recommend reading first-hand accounts of slavery from people who were actually slaves: Frederik Douglass and Olaudah Equiano are the obvious choices. Now, I agree that one-dimensional, didactic narrative is an annoying trend with films that cover important subject matter, but I don't see the trait of embracing humanity in the perspectives of those historically marginalized as a negative by itself.
I'm sure it'll be in the film. You know exactly why Hollywood marketing execs wouldn't allow that in the trailer.
And McQueen's family are from the Carribean. The Atlantic slave trade wasn't exclusive to the American South.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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In the two films he's made, Steve McQueen has shown himself to be a MUCH better director than Spielberg. Unlike the 'berg, his films have philosophical and personal depth, complexity of characterization, aesthetic daring, acting that cuts deep, and just generally do more than simply spoon-feed the audience everything they need to understand about a movie. Whether the movie is good or no, I simply cannot imagine 12 Years a Slave being the atrocity that Schindler's List is, for I don't think McQueen has it in him to be as outright comtemptful of his audience's intelligence, even if he fails on other fronts. (Seriously, is there anything in "serious" cinema more cringeworthy than the children's choir chiming in as the Nazis liquidate the ghetto? I facepalm just thinking about it.) We'll see, of course, but my gut tells me the comparisons to Schindler's List are likely as shallow as they come and are being made simply because of the similar horror of the subject matter.
maquiladora
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First offending transexuals and now holocaust denial shit? Oh you're on a roll today son.
This feels like the natural evolution of your backwards, troglodytic bigot opinions. So no surprises here.
SketchTheArtist
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I'll see it but I wouldn't be surprised that it'll come to the same conclusion as Schindler's List.
Terry Gilliam said it better....
Terry Gilliam said it better....
ViewtifulJC
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In the "Best Movies for Pretentious People", I have Shame in the top 5 for 2011
I think it's the minimalism that's a problem, so when he ups the melodrama and you get lines like "I'm trying to help you" and "What are you trying to do to me!?" It's all a little actors work-shoppy. Urgency but with zero context.
I think it's the minimalism that's a problem, so when he ups the melodrama and you get lines like "I'm trying to help you" and "What are you trying to do to me!?" It's all a little actors work-shoppy. Urgency but with zero context.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Ummm... not it's not? The dialogue is naturalistic, but it also is very incisive and reveals much of their inner life and perspective.
And Shame is not pretentious nor "for pretentious people", unless you totally distort the actual meaning of that word to simply be a slur for intelligent things you don't personally enjoy.
Edit: Melodrama has a definition. "I'm trying to help you" and "What are you trying to do to me" (I'm not even sure if those are lines in the movie) are not melodramatic. I've heard people in life say those phrases countless times. An accurate rendering of personal melodrama is not the same thing as the dramatic situation nor work being melodrama.
The thing I find is that most criticisms of Shame seem to reflect a misunderstanding of what the movie actually is and is communicating.
I've never been so pissed off watching a movie. Someone should make an alternate version where Mammy rips Scarlet's backbone from her body and proceeds to jam it in Rhet's neck. And as he's slowly bleeding out, Prissy can take a fat shit on his face.
ViewtifulJC
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I like Shame! I don't have the nigh-on fanatical adoration you have, but it's a good film. I'm also a bit pretentious, and I'm self-aware about it. I think that could do you some good in the future, snowy.
I patently refuse to ever watch this movie.
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