jaundicejuice
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Eteric Rice said:
And provide a lovely boost for SE's support for the PSP? Square-Enix is one of the few companies in Japan that Nintendo can't dick around.
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Square-Enix TGS Line Up
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And provide a lovely boost for SE's support for the PSP? Square-Enix is one of the few companies in Japan that Nintendo can't dick around.
I was too busy editing my first post to catch this... Nintendo is in a place of power so strong that they could do this AND GET AWAY WITH IT and no 3rd-party would stand up in defense of it. That's a frightening prospect. I don't think Iwata's that kind of guy... I see him more as a "oh, you want to develop for the Wii's successor, huh? Yeah, I'll get you development kits... have fun waiting in line for them like a chump."Eteric Rice said:
Seriously, ignoring Nintendo on the console front is going to bite SO many 3rd-parties in the ass further down the road, and they don't even seem to realize it, because leaving that landscape untraveled just means a whole bunch of new companies can come in and dazzle with new products. Marvelous Interactive, for instance, is stepping up further and further to being one of Japan's "it" publishers and has the advantage of not being too heavily tied to one specific type of genre like other companies now are. Teaming with smaller developers like Grasshopper and imageepoch and the like gives them a VERY diverse pool of talent that will only continue to grow as their success on the Wii continues to expand.
I can't get over how myopic 3rd-parties are about the disaster they're probably walking into next generation and not doing what is necessary to prevent it.
Mr. Pointy
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Well, Pingu DS is being shown. And that's the only thing that matters.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
People are expecting Nintendo to go around bitch-slapping third-parties like it's the NES era all over again?
I don't see it happening.
I don't see it happening.
Baconbitz said:
Left to right:
Snoopy DS
Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon DS
Valkyrie Profile DS
Pingu's exciting carnival
Last Remnant
Chrono Trigger
Dissidia: Final Fantasy
Another Chocobo Fables game (The Witch, the Girl, and the Five Heroes)
Dragon Quest IX
Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
Star Ocean 4
Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep
Final Fantasy XII
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Final Fantasy Agito XIII
Parasite Eve: The 3rd Birthday
Infinite Undiscovery
Song Summoner
Final Fantasy XI
Dragon Quest Monster Battle Road
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Complete
Kigndom Hearts Coded
Dragon Quest Batle Road Mobile
Intadaki Street Mobile
Final Fantasy IV: The After
Ellark
Gangan Mobile (?)
Ganmobako (?) Mix
Some other little sections (kids corner, goods, downloads, music, etc.).
Correct me please if I messed up something.
No, I don't really, either... but they are certainly going to remember what happened this generation and start playing favorites in the next round when they are set to release the successor to the fastest-selling console in gaming history... and that's where it'll get messy.PepsimanVsJoe said:
Dragona Akehi
Retired
FF:CC isn't dead.
Eteric Rice
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Dragona Akehi said:
How do you know?
You knooow, Nintendo being dicks to third parties is what caused them all to flock to competitors anyway. Very few corporations have battered wife syndrome, unlike a lot of company FANBOYS.
And as for the "get in line for Wii 2 dev kits" thing, I think square enix already has lots of gamecubes lol
...lol i liked that one
And as for the "get in line for Wii 2 dev kits" thing, I think square enix already has lots of gamecubes lol
...lol i liked that one
Die Squirrel Die
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Terrell said:
What have Marvelous published on the Wii, and how well has it done so far?
Also, isn't it a bit early to be calling the Wii's successor a lock for next generation? Wouldn't the fact that the Wii has been so successful and the PS3 not so, warn against working on such blind assumptions.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Eteric Rice said:
If she told you she'd have to kill you.
Maybe she'll kill you anyway.
Die Squirrel Die said:
So far just Harvest Moon Wii and No More Heroes, but they're publishing a ton of up and coming JPN Wii stuff. Arc Rise Fantasia, Rune Factory Frontier, Oboro Muramasa Youtouden, Little King Story, and the next Harvest Moon Wii will all be at TGS. On the DS front, they're doing Avalon Code.
Operations
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Good to know. But, is there any truth in what donny posted earlier? That some higher ups do hate the Wii?Dragona Akehi said:
Eteric Rice
Member
Die Squirrel Die said:
They haven't put anything out yet, but I think they're the Little King Story, Rune Factory, and Arc Rise Fantasia guys.
GoldandBlue
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Thanks, edit first post to include list.Rpgmonkey said:
Sho_Nuff82
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Terrell said:
So you're saying that Nintendo, on the back of a very successful console, will release timely dev kits to a select "Dream Team" of developers, leaving everyone else out in the cold having to figure out the Wii 2's exotic architecture on their own?
...really?
Stumpokapow
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Volcynika said:
Yes. No; it's imageepoch developed, Marvelous published.
Jive Turkey
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Why do you hate me S-E? What did I ever do to you?GoldandBlue said:Crystal Bearers appears to be dead.
Don't play with my heart like this!Dragona Akehi said:
You're thinking of World Destruction for DS. ARF is the Wii title published by Marvelous.Volcynika said:
And No More Heroes made them a lot of money from the publishing rights in North America via Ubisoft, and got them exposure as a risk-taking publisher, which is a largely unfilled title this generation.
No, not a "Dream Team", just "hey, you supported Wii when everyone else was treating it like a red-headed step-child, so here's a head start on the bigger companies who treated us like dicks." It only makes sense to favor companies who share your vision and let the after-thought opportunists drown in their mistake, even from a financial standpoint, as the late-comers still get their dev kits, but the smaller companies get to sell their wares with less competition from big names and stay successfully in the game.Sho_Nuff82 said:
Nintendo can't be treated like a fairweather friend to these companies, because it gives an impression that Nintendo can be walked all over by 3rd-parties. SONY AND MS wouldn't put up with that shit, why would anyone expect Nintendo to?
Die Squirrel Die
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Terrell said:
There's still a long way to go from having a breakout indie hit, to challenging the SE's of this world, hell even a mid-level publisher.
And outside of a few disgruntled fanboys bearing a grudge, how much do you think the Wii userbase would actually care about which developers were there from the beginning and which were the bandwagon jumpers?
Eteric Rice
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Kagari said:
TheKingsCrown
Banned
:lol Aaaaaaaaaaaaand Dragona derails the thread. But at least she gave us news.
Eteric Rice
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TheKingsCrown said:
BUT HOW SHE CAN KNOW?!
Wow, it doesn't work with "know."
:/
Shareholders would care. The smaller companies that carried the Wii's 3rd-party success would also probably not take too kindly to being treated as further down the totem pole just because the big boys suddenly decided to enter the picture, as well. I mean, everyone talks about how Nintendo treated 3rd-parties badly, but giving the big names preferential treatment because they finally decide to treat Nintendo's console business seriously isn't the way to do that, cuz any one of those small companies could, in fact, be the next big name in gaming... and then where would Nintendo be? Seen as the villain to 3rd parties YET AGAIN, only this time the smaller companies would hold a grudge, and then Nintendo's essentially made an enemy of EVERY demographic of the development and publishing community.Die Squirrel Die said:
Die Squirrel Die
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Terrell said:
Except Nintendo don't exist in a vacuum, you think if Nintendo start dicking around third parties, especially the bigger ones, out of retribution, that Sony and MS wouldn't try and play that to their advantage? If Nintendo start going 'hey, you guys are just going to have to wait for your Wii2 dev kits' that SE or Konami or whoever, aren't going to go 'well fine, guess we'll just have to start working on these PS4 and Xbox720 kits instead'.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Terrell said:
There is no scenario that you could paint where Marvelous Entertainment would get a dev kit before Square Enix for any serious console, aside from one where Nintendo is run by bitter fanboys instead of money-grubbing suits. Any slight by Nintendo towards a 3rd party would only result in further snubbing of their next console, not repentance and renewed support.
These companies are not children that need to be taught a lesson, they're clients that need to be wined, dined, and convinced that the Wii is a worthwhile launchpad for their products.
and I think you missed my reference to the N64. Nintendo has been down that road before. It didn't end well.
Eteric Rice
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Sho_Nuff82 said:
I dunno, sometimes you read interviews and they seem more like kids/fanboys than actual kids/fanboys.