Sikamikanico
#1 Dad
Whilst I was aware it was a thing, I never found it hugely noticable while playing.
It really is rock solid and gorgeous to boot.
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DF: Hands-On With Halo 5: Guardians: Tech Analysis/Frame-Rate Test [Gold Master Code]
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Whilst I was aware it was a thing, I never found it hugely noticable while playing.
It really is rock solid and gorgeous to boot.
This is still a thing in 2015?
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Yeah i have to admit that i have not really been paying attention to that when i played it for the first time (TMCC version) but you are right about that. Apparently the framerate is also far from a stable 60fps in Halo 4 TMCC according to comments i read here and in general, i guess i just never noticed the bad framedrops then.
Is the HUD the way it is to achieve the great performance we're seeing? If not, then I agree that they need to give us an option to turn that off. It's stupid to have that much screen removed from the gamer.
60fps cutscenes/movies still look weird. It gives the "soap opera" effect.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I watched a few snippets of a walkthrough, and damn does it look sexy smooth. I'm so ready!
Roddslayer
Member
I wonder if the hud overlay helps lessen the rendering load. I'm no expert just spit balling.
Windom Earle
Member
It's not present in the 3rd person driving sections, so it should be possible technically?
No, just no.
No idea. But I need that real-estate. When they switched from halo 3 HUD to the new halo 5 HUD it was really noticeable. especially because they are transparent elements that frame the helmet HUD.
oh yes. You are right. Maybe people will ask for it on halowaypoint after release. Like you said during driving the helmet HUD goes.
Thanks.
1344x1080 is fine, little better than 900p. Excellent choice for sustain 60fps.
Wonko_C
Member
YMMV. I'm too sensitive to these kinds of things so from the first video I noticed it right away. The enemies don't even need to be too far away to start animating at a lower framerate. I might sound hyperbolic but even if it won't stop me from playing and enjoying the game it's something that will stick out like a sore thumb and I will never get used to it, I hope they can patch it out. It's like Quake II on the Nintendo 64 all over again.
https://youtu.be/csmw7qnYLf4?t=5m52s
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Is it worse than Halo 4? It never bothered me, but it should not take up too much of the screen.
Will the dynamic resolution be easily noticeable or does that depend on the TV's screen size? I reckon you'll definitely spot it easier on 50 inch and larger compared to smaller screens?
This is the lowest it goes or is this actually what it is most of the time but can go lower? If the former, that is really nice.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
I feel like I just traveled to the past. This is what some people said when 120hz TV was first a thing.
But these days it doesn't really apply. Most people have adjusted just fine.
Way more games should aim for this target, on either platform. Good work, 343
Yeah you're right. I just watched someone doing the flying section in one of the missions 343 is allowing people to stream and there's no HUD and it still runs at a perfect 60fps. Let us remove the hud, Frankie.
maybe somenone can make a comparison picture? Please?
Well the bigger your TV the more you will notice the dynamic resolution. It also depends how far away you sit from your TV
johnnydrama
Banned
Gotta say, 343i did a hell of a job with the optimization. Halo 5 sounds like a technical marvel.
Most of the time. The lower is something close to 720p.
RowdyReverb
Member
30fps for cutscenes is the right call. They need the extra rendering time to bring those terrific character models to life. Also, since you aren't playing, you'll be paying more attention to the details of the scene, so LOD needs to be cranked up. Besides, it's not like the framerate cut would impact your gameplay since it's a cutscene.
Old Gimlet Eyes
Member
I feel every console game that can't run at a rock solid 60fps should employ this kind of tech. 60 frames benefits all games and I will gladly sacrifice a few pixels to get that. Really impressive for 343.
No, it's how it mainly performs. Lowest is 1152x810.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Well damn...it's not the end of the world or anything but the developer shouldn't have said that it would be full 1080p most of the time. Just be honest about it. Ah well.
55 inch here and i sit about 3.5, almost 4 meters away from it. Heh...at the end of the day, i bet i won't even be noticing it or looking for it, because the campaign is just too fucking awesome and i'll be too busy blasting baddies.
Hell i don't even know how sensative i am to that stufff. Have not been able to directly compare a 900p game to a 1080p game on this tv, or yet at all.
Dictator93
Member
low poly textures
low poly
textures
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Also, I look forward to the next video. I am hella-surprised they went for in engine cutscenes though. Happy to see they maintain that tradition.
I don't think anyone claims they are unimportant, but alone they really don't paint a useful picture...
It's much better to take those numbers and incorporate them into an average with maybe even a standard deviation.
If resolution drops to 720p for 10frames over the course of the whole game, how useful would it be to broadcast that number? It would have a neglible effect on the experience...
Windom Earle
Member
Not to nitpick, but one thing in the video commentary seemed funny to me:
"Halo 5 holds 60fps without breaking a sweat" - Isn't dynamic resolution the literal equivalent of the console breaking a sweat? lol.
"Halo 5 holds 60fps without breaking a sweat" - Isn't dynamic resolution the literal equivalent of the console breaking a sweat? lol.
I guess you could apply that label to... Ugly normal maps? And only be sort of wrong? They're kind of like textures, and derived from something with polys.
lol
Not to mention pop-in issues and various low res textures.
It's all about perspective I guess lol.
That's not nitpicky at all. And you're 100 percent right. Any time the resolution isn't 1080p, it's getting sweaty. But apparently it doesn't look bad when it happens. I watched Goldy on Twitch play it last night and he couldn't stop raving about how amazing it looked. And he's mainly a PC gamer.
"a few pixels"
DarthWalden
Banned
I wonder how noticeable the dynamic resolution is...
Is it dynamic during the arena multiplayer too?
Is it dynamic during the arena multiplayer too?
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Yeah...and one sec in that video i already spotted some nasty aliasng on the staircase. It is what it is, definitely not the end of the world. They should have been more upfront about it, something like that 1080p was proving to be a bit challenging, but they claimed the exact opposite.
Yes, same here. if it's not that noticeable at all, i'd say it's a very worthy tradeoff. But again, i also think we'll be too busy enjoying the hell out of the campaign and/or MP to worry about that nor notice it.
well it is up to your viewing distance and TV size.
There's no helmet-HUD in multiplayer. And no, it was not done to reduce resource load, it was purely a design decision. Also, you get used to it in the SP, at least most people do. I got used to it quick in Halo 4, and if I remember that thread discussion on the topic, a lot of people did too.
Windom Earle
Member
This dynamic resolution up to 1080p is probably just for marketing. In practice will be lower 95% of the time.
Dictator93
Member
It is part of a series of videos as it says. THe next one will go into depths about issues and trade offs.
SamastahSukhino
Banned
Helmet hud: off.
Anyone who played the campaign even notice it or do you just focus on what you're doing? Obviously watching videos all I notice is the helmet and can't keep my eyes off of it.
Anyone who played the campaign even notice it or do you just focus on what you're doing? Obviously watching videos all I notice is the helmet and can't keep my eyes off of it.
This is a shooter made with eSports in mind, these days competing with Black Ops 3 isnt easy since Cod dominates Console eSports so 343 made the right approach, rock solid 60fps and Arena Mode with skilled ranks and Halo Champioship starting at 1milion prize.
They are doing everything right, Halo is back!
I have the same issue as them with the HUD design, the helmet is way too over bearing, but I suspect it's done to help improve performance. Everything else looks great, I can't wait to see what people come up with when they get used to the spartan abilities and how smooth it will all look.
Unfortunately, an average of <7 analyzed frames may not be statistically sound.
3rdamention
Member
Here was the quote, they were creative with their wording. "In much of the campaign you may be playing at 1080p". They say it "may" be 1080p in "much" of the campaign.
Looking good. Dynamic resolution works great with a game like Halo because the environments basically take place in a fantasy world. Its an artist interpretation. Maybe they wanted that sand to look blurry or the trees to be static. Games that take place in a real world environment like for example Forza 6. Need to be a 1080p or greater because you are trying to mimic a real environment people can relate to. Either way 60fps is the way to go if you can make it work.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Crazy optimisation:
Dynamic sub-1080p resolution
Poor texture filtering
Aggressively close LoD pops and dithered fades (even then you don't always get a high quality mesh)
Half-framerate distant enemy animation
Low-res prebaked lighting
Realtime shadows fading or popping in/out just a few feet in front of you
Low quality motion/impact blur (highly visible steps, even in motion)
And some straight up low quality textures not fit for a current-gen AAA game.
They're getting the positive clear (steady 60fps) out of the way before hitting with the clear sacrifices made to get there.