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Magic: the Gathering - Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Blue's Clues
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Nothing stops Wizards from exploring this in a new setting instead of retreading the same same setting over and over, in fact Wizards has been doing so since Mirrodin Besieged IIRC where they let you chooses between Phyrexia and Mirran.
Who says people couldn't identify with Atarka more than Gruul (as a RG player at the time of CoG Gruul was dreadful), the Wedges are also much more fleshed out and identifiable than Shards were. A new generation of players might identify with Jeskai more than Izzet and/or Boros.
The Batman talk is more or less senseless gibberish to me since I'm not invested in that but even in those kind of stories I'm always more for continuing a story and if need be ending it than redoing it over and over. Nothing stops DC but themselves from inventing new characters or giving existing characters the limelight to capture that magic in a new generation. Also unlike MTG Batman comics can be reread. I have some collection of some old ones, the ones with him and Robin sharing a bed IIRC.
I started reading Marvel last summer and Spider-Gwen and Silk releases make me much more excited than either Spiderman and Iron Man (that's all the ones I read) and I didn't read Marvel as a kid but Lucky Lukes and Asterix.
I never wanted that, I just wish they'd make the whole game doubles considering that's the officially supported competitive mode and thereby where the balancing goes. Also make it a bit more challenging again, or include a more challenging mode. I remember as a kid actually going out and training my pokemon because I'd get wrecked by arena leaders. Lastly do away with the IV complexity and just show the unique values.
PS: Owen cheated in the 15th round game 2 at SCG, he resolved a Rally with a Catacomb Sifter already in play but treated the sifter as if Rally brought it back giving him a scion token. He deceptively placed it even with all the other creatures on the stack instead of separately, so might have been intentional even, he had the game in the bag either way so idk.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
"Nonsense gibberish." What a tool.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I love you too
Boros was awesome. Think you're dead, swing with everything, win. Jeskai it is though for me considering I went from Boros to Izzet between RAV and RTR prereleases.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
It's so depressing to me that Lorwyn continues to score so low among fans. Even the recent impromptu polls MaRo did on Twitter - for what they're worth - Lorwyn scored pretty low. Fairy tale world did alright, but still lower than I had hoped. The fanbase loves their dark 'n gritty. I'd love to go back to Lorwyn, if they kept the same aesthetic, but I don't think we'll ever go back.
These type of responses aren't as witty or biting as you imagine them to be.
I was out of magic during Lowryn and it was always one of the sets I missed that I regretted missing because it seemed so interesting.
On a side note, can anyone who plays MTGO clarify the redemption policy? If you collect all cards in a set, you can redeem them for paper cards for a fee? But there is a time limit? So after a certain amount of time you can't redeem your digital cards for paper ones anymore? And what if you have two sets worth of cards, will they redeem them twice? How difficult is it to collect a set of cads in MTGO?
It's become more difficult for me to play mtg in recent years and I've always considered MTGO but if I ever cash out I'd hate to have a bunch of cards online just sitting there.
Also, I haven't been following SOI very closely, anyone think it's worth getting multiple boxes? Last set I did that for was the original innistrad. Value on this one seems high enough to make 3 boxes or so worth it (keep in mind I love opening boosters) but I've been burned before (invasion block, alara block, kamigawa block).
On a side note, can anyone who plays MTGO clarify the redemption policy? If you collect all cards in a set, you can redeem them for paper cards for a fee? But there is a time limit? So after a certain amount of time you can't redeem your digital cards for paper ones anymore? And what if you have two sets worth of cards, will they redeem them twice? How difficult is it to collect a set of cads in MTGO?
It's become more difficult for me to play mtg in recent years and I've always considered MTGO but if I ever cash out I'd hate to have a bunch of cards online just sitting there.
Also, I haven't been following SOI very closely, anyone think it's worth getting multiple boxes? Last set I did that for was the original innistrad. Value on this one seems high enough to make 3 boxes or so worth it (keep in mind I love opening boosters) but I've been burned before (invasion block, alara block, kamigawa block).
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Who says I was being facetious? Dunno what you expected with that kinda response. I didn't call batman nonsense or gibberish, just that these words mean nothing to me.
I love Lorwyn, mellow on Morningtide and annoyed what happened to merrow in Shadowmoor.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
No rat ninjas. Drop the ridiculous crap, get rid of the legendary mistake and I think fans would respond to Kamigawa. I personally don't like the setting, but hey. With the two block rotation, I'd like to see at least one set where a plane isn't as grim and serious as possible, but that clearly doesn't test well.
If you love opening boosters, I can't think of a better set. But, I'm biased as the last time I went all in was also Innistrad. I'm going to do it again. And yes, I understand it's dumb. I've preordered the mythics I want to build with. This is just my round about way of getting commons/uncommons and kitchen table drafting.
TheBlackMarvel
Member
Very good card, plays really well with Prairie Stream. It's actually pretty good with Thing in the Ice, really. There's a reasonable possibility you won't actually hit your own with it.
I see tentacles...
EDIT: Also, that flavour torpedoes my idea about Nahiri using the moon.
Or does it?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Kamigawa wasn't just "legendary matters" though. Everybody involved with it has gone on record like, elevnty billion times in calling the overuse of mythics a mistake. I didn't play during that time period, so I don't know exactly what the deal is, but considering WotC has had a scorched earth policy when it comes to mistakes, I'd be surprised to see it return. I'm guessing the legendary rule got in the way of deck construction too much, from what they've said, but I don't know if it was specifically limited or constructed or both.
Champtions block is retroactively beloved because of EDH.
The legendary stuff is fucking terrible as a set theme.
Kamigawa wasn't just about legends though, and there's nothing inherently more suited to legends flavor wise about it than other planes they've done like, say, Theros.
Samurai, ninja, spirits- these can all be done better, and you can also emphasize heroes without forcing legends everywhere. Arcane can go to the same graveyard as dredge and affinity, two terribly broken mechanics that came from sets that both got returns.
All I'm really saying is that the number of ways you can interpret the flavor of a plane is so wide open that it seems absurd to think Kamigawa is just inherently bad. And, when it comes to planes, they're mostly window dressing to me, so I'd rather have planes that feel grounded and coherent, which I can actually enjoy, like Kamigawa and Lorwyn than the mismash of fantasy tropes and influences that planes like Zendikar, Alara, and, to a lesser extent, Ravnica feature.
Samurai, ninja, spirits- these can all be done better, and you can also emphasize heroes without forcing legends everywhere. Arcane can go to the same graveyard as dredge and affinity, two terribly broken mechanics that came from sets that both got returns.
All I'm really saying is that the number of ways you can interpret the flavor of a plane is so wide open that it seems absurd to think Kamigawa is just inherently bad. And, when it comes to planes, they're mostly window dressing to me, so I'd rather have planes that feel grounded and coherent, which I can actually enjoy, like Kamigawa and Lorwyn than the mismash of fantasy tropes and influences that planes like Zendikar, Alara, and, to a lesser extent, Ravnica feature.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Well I like those
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
IDK what these are called, but let's just go with "handlands." (lol) Edit: I went to reddit and like 5 dudes already came up with this and it rhymes, I bet you that sticks haha.
I don't hate the design - these are really close to checklands in how they work, except slightly worse (the thing they seem to have fixed with these over the Battlelands is that they get worse as topdecks, not better because you are less likely to have stuff in your hand, and it has an interesting interplay with Battlelands because playing these untapped makes your battlelands worse if you draw one and vice versa).
I'm disappointed to see another allied cycle, but it makes sense given enemy colors have both the manlands and the painlands), but still its a little weird because the interplay Battlelands and these, uh, Handlands can come into play untapped an awful lot of the time whereas the enemy ones either do a lot of damage to you or just straight up are taplands.
I don't hate the design - these are really close to checklands in how they work, except slightly worse (the thing they seem to have fixed with these over the Battlelands is that they get worse as topdecks, not better because you are less likely to have stuff in your hand, and it has an interesting interplay with Battlelands because playing these untapped makes your battlelands worse if you draw one and vice versa).
I'm disappointed to see another allied cycle, but it makes sense given enemy colors have both the manlands and the painlands), but still its a little weird because the interplay Battlelands and these, uh, Handlands can come into play untapped an awful lot of the time whereas the enemy ones either do a lot of damage to you or just straight up are taplands.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
This, I was looking forward to some new cheap enemy none cipt colour lands for some decks.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Well I already walked that one back: I know exactly WHY they are allied (see above), I'm just annoyed at the fact we're adding yet another half-cycle. I just want them to fucking put in the enemy Scarslands.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
One and the same.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
These don't seem conducive at all to playing three colors as far as I can tell.
fucking freaking out here
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
God the inconsistent formatting is driving me nuts on those as well
Set ruined
Set ruined
Can Boros do this?
(I'm having way too much fun with Ravnica flashback drafts. Bring on Guildpact.)
divisionbyzorro
Member
Why do only two of them have flavor text? Agh!
Imperfected
Member
The best part is how completely perfunctory the flavor text is. "Shit's real spooky."
I never would have realized the port town has ghostly fog from the fog-ghost dead center in the frame, or that something weird happened in the ruins from the fact that it's blatantly an impossible space. I'm glad I have the writers to help me navigate through what's happening on these cards!
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I like those lands quite a bit. Not sure where they fit, but their condition seems easy to satisfy in a 2-color deck. Which is good. Down with wedges.
Convene the Lineage {1B}
Enchantment - Uncommon
{1}, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 black Vampire Knight token with lifelink onto the battlefield. Activate this ability only once per turn.
In response to Sorin's appeal, Olivia Voldaren resorted to the full power of her lineage, summoning all members to Fortress Lurenbraum.
Repeatable source of creatures and discard? Yes please.
Enchantment - Uncommon
{1}, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 black Vampire Knight token with lifelink onto the battlefield. Activate this ability only once per turn.
In response to Sorin's appeal, Olivia Voldaren resorted to the full power of her lineage, summoning all members to Fortress Lurenbraum.
Repeatable source of creatures and discard? Yes please.
TheBlackMarvel
Member
Convene the Lineage {1B}
Enchantment - Uncommon
{1}, Discard a card: Put a 1/1 black Vampire Knight token with lifelink onto the battlefield. Activate this ability only once per turn.
In response to Sorin's appeal, Olivia Voldaren resorted to the full power of her lineage, summoning all members to Fortress Lurenbraum.
Repeatable source of creatures and discard? Yes please.
That's interesting... Sorin, Pariah No More?
Z I is much less efficient.
It also has much more combo potential. Remember Ichorid? Those were the days.
I don't see why it needed the once per turn limitation given that it already cost mana, like this it's probably just worse than ZI. Lifelink on the tokens is nice but can't carry a card by itself.
Still waiting for another card to make my pack rat decks the best deck in legacy. Asylum visitor made us T1.5 , just need the last push!
Still waiting for another card to make my pack rat decks the best deck in legacy. Asylum visitor made us T1.5 , just need the last push!
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
The modern manabase is pretty much set. We ain't ever getting anything better than shocklands and fetches. Even so, a part of me thinks the RG one is borderline playable in Atarka Burn. Borderline, but not quite there.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I don't see why it needed the once per turn limitation given that it already cost mana, like this it's probably just worse than ZI. Lifelink on the tokens is nice but can't carry a card by itself.
Still waiting for another card to make my pack rat decks the best deck in legacy. Asylum visitor made us T1.5 , just need the last push!
Once per turn might be more about madness than anything else
Atarka Burn would play R/G Horizon Canopy.
"Handlands" has a really nice ring to it. Cards aren't too bad either, but then again I love two color decks. They aren't exactly helpful for 3+ color ones. Hope they won't end up costing an arm and a leg like other rare lands.
Should've either dropped the mana cost or the once per turn limit imo. I mean, this card is gonna be a bastard to deal with in limited obviously, with or without Madness cards, but there's little chance of it seeing competitive play from what I can see.
Should've either dropped the mana cost or the once per turn limit imo. I mean, this card is gonna be a bastard to deal with in limited obviously, with or without Madness cards, but there's little chance of it seeing competitive play from what I can see.
They learned from their 1W goof in FRF. EOT make an army isn't really interesting.
Simply Sarah
Member
So, uh, when are we actually going to see the payoff for all the discarding? Right now it almost feels like "Make Clues! Draw cards! Then discard them!" There have been some nice Delirium options but that only gets value from dumping cards up to a point while Madness hasn't really shown me enough to justify heavy self discard so far. I get that Madness isn't a mechanic to print lightly but still.
Madness is exclusively a B/R vampires thing so far, permanent-wise. All the payoff critters are there and there's a very obvious deck.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I feel like we're missing some crucial cards for how Delirium is going to work in Limited. There need to be more artifacts and enchantments that sac for some effect in colors like blue, green and white
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
These seem fine
I find the design of these handlands interesting and frightening.
I sort of like how the design prioritizes you keeping a land in hand, but if you get into a late-game situation where you need more mana (or god forbid, are in a top-deck war) and your hand is empty these lands become the worst type of top-decks ever (though picking up any land in a top-deck war is usually bad news).
These are really odd and super interesting.
I sort of like how the design prioritizes you keeping a land in hand, but if you get into a late-game situation where you need more mana (or god forbid, are in a top-deck war) and your hand is empty these lands become the worst type of top-decks ever (though picking up any land in a top-deck war is usually bad news).
These are really odd and super interesting.
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