I did wonder if was just going to be a revised jaguar based apu or something more radical like one based on say something Carrizo.
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Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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I did wonder if was just going to be a revised jaguar based apu or something more radical like one based on say something Carrizo.
Blah boogz just wrote above something about a "defining application" and not being sure when to ship. Good times. Like 2013 all over again.
TetraGenesis
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I've received several direct messages from industry friends over the past two days and--this is fucking crazy--they've all independently told me that th
I know. I'm waiting for Boogz to go eat dinner again.
But really, how did you surmise they were hardware reps and he
From what I was told it has to do with psvr so if I was to guess it's a redesign of the hardware. Again I will update this week.
Sounds like it means the hardware selected will be purposeful to meet the demands of a (still under debate) software spec. So if they're shooting for 4K, they'd pack 4K capable hardware into a new PS4 box.
The Last One
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I'm almost convinced thst this will be the "PS4 slim" but with VR in mind.
Haiiiiii! Arigato Boogz-kun.
Thanks Boogz!
Yea it sucks. One of the major problems with Sony is when to launch. But it is what it is.
I should get more info next week.
ChaoticBlue
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how soon next week? the hype train is revving up.
NoctisVsStar
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If the new ps4 it's strictly for PSVR enhancement I can't really be mad.
Stay safe from them Sony ninjas
vpance
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They don't want to get upstaged by Xbox 1.5 this holiday and also don't want to clash with PSVR either. Tough decisions.
So many in SonyGaf are going to be spending $1000 in PS hardware this year, lol
flipswitch
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Will non-VR titles and current titles out get a boost?
Depends on when we can all sync up. This includes 3rd party devs
that the what?
The Last One
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Me neither, I'd be completely okay with that. It's only natural actually.
I'm an at home dad. I'll be good.
SonyGaf?!? Lolwhat.jpg
If they are launching in Q4 this year, than you are on the money. Q4 is way too soon to have any "significant" upgrades to the PS4 outside of clocks and minor hardware revisions that keeps the soul of the PS4 (aka the APU) in tact. I'm kind of lost on all of this.
The problem is: VR requires a lot of power, 4K requires a lot of power. The PS4 in its current form, does not have that "power" to facilitate rendering of these resolutions/targets natively without significant compromises.
If this PS4K is designed around VR with the Jaguar APU in mind - it's a little bit of a head scratcher because no matter how high you clock, the performance won't be there to render 4K in the fidelity we've come to expect from AAA games.
Glorified G
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flipswitch
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This thing is no doubt going to be expensive, while the current ps4 will be even cheaper when this new revision comes out, and that worries me.
pixellated_man
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Defining application will be 4k native support for media and games. Naturally this would mean 4k VR games too. Looks like my theory of a ps4 update primarily for 4k content could turn out to be true. No current ps4 user needs to feel being 'betrayed' if that is the case. This won't be to upgrade standard definition gaming content to higher framerates, fidelity, etc. Fits in perfectly with what Zoetis claimed a few pages ago as well.
No 4k display, or no interest in high end VR? Then you don't have any reason to get this upgrade and if you still feel 'forced' to get one regardless, then that's on you buddy.
No 4k display, or no interest in high end VR? Then you don't have any reason to get this upgrade and if you still feel 'forced' to get one regardless, then that's on you buddy.
flipswitch
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Will they stop production of current ps4 in favour of the revision, or will they both be available, like a high end VR model and regular ps4?
Guess no one knows at this time.
Guess no one knows at this time.
Neuromancer
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It's happening!!!
Technically both Sony and MS could charge $499 and keep a $249 "vanilla" model. The high end guys buy the high end machine, the mass public buys the vanilla product. It makes for a good schism in the marketplace.
Robot Pants
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I can dig it!
Have a toddler and you will know.
Hasn't that been the only logical answer all along? People are getting way too convoluted in their thinking on this topic. This is essentially what Nvidia has done with GPU's: introduce a mid-range product first at the high end bracket, grab userbase with that product, and then eventually reveal the true high end solution and position it as such.
If Sony brings a PS4K, it's no different than a mid-range GPU and a high end GPU: they play the same games, but one does it at Medium with decent frame rate and the other does it on Ultra with rock solid FPS. This doesn't even make it harder to make games, because it's just like the PC model where consoles were a baseline Low/Medium settings all along.
Offering hardcore consumers a more expensive higher performing option isn't really that crazy if you keep it simple. Hell, the CPU on PS4 can easily be swapped out for a 3 GHz unit on similar architecture. It won't really cost them much and stands to gain them a lot of extra profit. Sony is just doing what Nvidia and Apple have done for years now.
Good quote, but they'd have to design an ENTIRELY new APU to support Polaris. If they go with Polaris, it would be really hard to launch in Q4 2016 seeing as how relatively immature the foundries would be at 14 nm.
Also you are forgettiong HBM
. Bandwith is the biggest enemy of 4K. HBM is the truth.Obliterator
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Its a new APU. Basically has to be if they are getting more power out of it.
De.....what can that stand for? Time to start theorizing
De.....what can that stand for? Time to start theorizing
The problem is R&D. It costs a pretty penny to design, test, develop kits, and get working hardware that has acceptable yields, failure rates, and consumer/developer confidence. PS4K is either the Coke Zero to Diet Coke, or it's an entirely different animal altogether (jones soda).
Dr. Pibb to Dr. Pepper?
pixellated_man
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This is the Zoetis statement I was referring to.
PS4K will be the perfect name for this model. Will give Sony a new angle to market the machine. As an Ultra HD media centre / games console. Worked wonders for the ps3, with its blu ray ability a key driver for sales, at least in the early years when it was obscenely expensive and had a lacking library of games. I remember a lot of people who bought the ps3 primarily for it's blu ray capabilites. Games were just a bonus for these people.
290X sells for sub 200 in a lot of places and is in the similar performance bracket as 970. Sony buying in bulk will probably reduce the cost substantially. The larger question is what sort of CPU dedicision is on the cards.
Obliterator
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I did not see that Zoetis post.
So if accurate and assets remain the same then this has to just be some kind of really nice 4k upscaler. To which I ask the question what is the point? I'm not entirely sure why anyone would buy one as most 4k TVs already upscale
So if accurate and assets remain the same then this has to just be some kind of really nice 4k upscaler. To which I ask the question what is the point? I'm not entirely sure why anyone would buy one as most 4k TVs already upscale
pixellated_man
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He also said this though:
So native 4k according to him.
there is no point in having a new system when a 4k tv already does upscaling.
So native 4k according to him.
Obliterator
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So they can do native 4k but wont improve the assets.
That makes almost no sense. I felt pretty solid on what this thing was but am now getting confused
NoctisVsStar
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My guess is the following: PS4 with a really nice 4K upscaler and maybe some enhancements to help with the VR that is all.
I don't see the point of the machine if it doesn't improve the quality of the assets/graphics themselves. If the games have the same graphics quality but are displayed in 4K count me out. If the games let you pick the resolution HD or 4K you might have me interested. It just seems too soon for an upgrade, at least a marginal one.
Good quote, but they'd have to design an ENTIRELY new APU to support Polaris. If they go with Polaris, it would be really hard to launch in Q4 2016 seeing as how relatively immature the foundries would be at 14 nm.
Also you are forgettiong HBM
DYNAMIC CONTEXT SWITCHING BETWEEN ARCHITECTURALLY DISTINCT GRAPHICS PROCESSORS
Obliterator
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I dont see a significant market for the device at all if the same asset quality is accurate. You have no incentive for anyone with a 1080p tv to buy one (the vast vast vast majority of the market) and the device appeals ONLY to people with a 4k TV. Why would devs take extra time and money to develop a 4k version of their game when it will only sell to people with 4k tv? A tiny share of the market at large.
There has to be more to it otherwise I dont understand this move at all
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It literally makes no sense.
pixellated_man
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Last post before I retire to bed.
Zoetis claim makes sense to me. This machine will be marketed primarily to people with 4k displays. Sony needs to provide content to increase uptake of their 4k tv's. Like Cosmos and others have stated, what better way to do this for Sony than using their current best selling electronic device as a trojan horse? Some times we forget, Sony have their fingers in other pies besides gaming.
Of course, having 4k native abilities will also help immensely with VR.
Not having any performance bumps (impossible at a reasonable price in conjunction with 4k anyway, in my opinion) other than in resolution will also alleviate many of the concerns from first generation ps4 owners that we have been reading in this thread over the last couple of days. Even though I feel most of these concerns are unfounded, Sony will be keen to not alienate any of their loyal ps4 customers.
Zoetis claim makes sense to me. This machine will be marketed primarily to people with 4k displays. Sony needs to provide content to increase uptake of their 4k tv's. Like Cosmos and others have stated, what better way to do this for Sony than using their current best selling electronic device as a trojan horse? Some times we forget, Sony have their fingers in other pies besides gaming.
Of course, having 4k native abilities will also help immensely with VR.
Not having any performance bumps (impossible at a reasonable price in conjunction with 4k anyway, in my opinion) other than in resolution will also alleviate many of the concerns from first generation ps4 owners that we have been reading in this thread over the last couple of days. Even though I feel most of these concerns are unfounded, Sony will be keen to not alienate any of their loyal ps4 customers.