phazedplasma
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cause they wil go down now that they're not gonna be unbanned.
And im slowly building legacy D&T
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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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cause they wil go down now that they're not gonna be unbanned.
And im slowly building legacy D&T
It's once per randomization though. Gotta get it down to once per game.
Yeah, new format called "Frontier", they probably have a bunch of stock from those sets they want to get rid of.
"God's Beard!"
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So we'll be opening 46(!) packs next friday
hope for some good stuff
Do you have any stuff from Prereleases GB?
Like from my standard list
I've definitely got plains and mountains. Haven't been to a prerelease since BFZ.
In theory, if they were ever to do a new modern type format, the starting point would be M15 like this, because its when they introduced the foil stamp on rare cards.
Yeah, but not for like another 5+ years. Modern is still quite young.
Simply Sarah
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To me it's less about the age of Modern and more about the fact that it would be the currently ending Standard plus 4 sets at the moment, which, to be flippant about it, would make it "The format for all the people sad that CoCo is rotating. Now with bonus old friend Siege Rhino!"
Took them long enough. It was extra silly for the Vintage list having them all listed out.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
If it's supposed to be an actual format CoCo really needs to be banned considering you have combo coco vs bant coco dueling each other.
SigmasonicX
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* Proliferate was in a large chunk of design, since it worked with +1/+1 counters and energy, but they removed it because it pushed +1/+1 counters much more than energy, thus warping the set. It isn't in Kaladesh block at all.
* No surprise, the Gearhulks were added by development.
* Die Young, Harnessed Lightning, and Confiscation Coup form a vertical cycle (common, uncommon, rare).
* Depala was partially made to address the complaints of Boros commanders always being pure aggro. Also, they are intentionally making sure that every set has commanders that play into the set themes.
* Proliferate was in a large chunk of design, since it worked with +1/+1 counters and energy, but they removed it because it pushed +1/+1 counters much more than energy, thus warping the set. It isn't in Kaladesh block at all.
* No surprise, the Gearhulks were added by development.
* Die Young, Harnessed Lightning, and Confiscation Coup form a vertical cycle (common, uncommon, rare).
* Depala was partially made to address the complaints of Boros commanders always being pure aggro. Also, they are intentionally making sure that every set has commanders that play into the set themes.
Should have just been silver border, but yeah, this makes sense.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I fail to see how she addresses that in any way. She only brings CA for creatures most of which being low cost. There's neither combo nor control potential with her.
She doesn't need to attack I guess.
Simply Sarah
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Yeah, it's strange. She taps, you get a handful of dwarves and vehicles, you play them. Maybe it's because you have to go slowly due to the ability costing X so you need to balance mana for it and to cast what you get. That and the fact that dwarves almost all have a CMC of at least 2 and quite a lot have 3+ while vehicles also tend to be priced in the moderate CMC range. Also that existing dwarves honestly aren't very good at the whole aggro thing. That's the best guess I have.
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tl;dr In group commander games you get to stick around because the rest of the table sees you're the poor soul playing dwarves. Then they realize that dwarves have repeatable land destruction and you get helplessly slaughtered because you're stuck trying to defend yourself with dwarves.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That reduces the banlist in Vintage to only 3 cards. Falling Star, Chaos Orb (manual dexterity cards), and Shaharazad, which should be unbanned and instead restricted - the opponent has the option to concede the subgame and just eat the life penalty. Hell, Sensei's Divining Top probably wastes dramatically more time than Shaharazad would since Shaharazad is bad.
Simply Sarah
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Is Shahrazad implemented in MTGO at all? If not then there's a very good chance that it remains banned to spare having to try and code its functionality into MTGO.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
No, but subgame functionality is probably very easy to do in MTGO.
Unless Shaharazad was a good card, they wouldn't even need to put it into MTGO and it's not gonna need a reprint in paper since its Reserved List.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The Judge also told me that Oviya Pashiri's trigger creates an X/X creature token that includes the Construct itself, which did not seem correct.
"God's Beard!"
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lol Ben Stark bragging about going 12-0 at his prereleases
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";218163818]lol Ben Stark bragging about going 12-0 at his prereleases[/QUOTE]
Should ask him if he qualified for Worlds based off it.
Should ask him if he qualified for Worlds based off it.
Fateful Showdown is actually a fine sealed card, especially since you can go upstairs with it. In a low-curve deck, you just sandbag lands and you get to cycle them for damage.
Damn.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
divisionbyzorro
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And knowing what I know about Ben Stark, he's saying that completely unironically with complete self-awareness.
charlequin
Banned
I realized later on that the most likely reason they're in black border is so they stay updated in Oracle. (And the second-most-likely is so people will feel okay including them in black-border cubes.)
I think a commander deck with her at the helm is gonna wind up in more of a disruptive-midrange territory than most of the Boros commanders suggest.
I agree that there's not that much risk outside dedicated griefers with Shaharazad, but I imagine they don't want to encourage those people even a little bit.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
There's like 1-3 major Vintage tournaments per year (legitimately in different places across the globe) and nobody is gonna show up to those to grief other players and the card presents no actual problem on MTGO, partially because it doesn't exist.
I think the reason Conspiracies are black-bordered is likely because they were on the same sheet as the draft-matters cards (in the first Conspiracy) and printing two different borders on the same sheet is probably tricky to do accurately.
Infinite Stars
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Wait, it's an X/X? Damn it, I screwed that up yesterday. I somehow thought it was state based like Voice.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
The restriction on the types is quite heavy, wish she could get equipments as well, for her to do anything but this guy makes me want to brew with her.
You could probably make a voltron / sniping list with her that way.
There's just not nearly enough even remotely close to playable dwarves and vehicles, I'd guess 15 total at best.
Uh, it should count when the ability is resolved, before the construct hits the field. I don't think I'm wrong, unless I missed something.
Edit: release notes say that judge was wrong.
"* The Construct token youre creating doesnt count towards X for the ability that creates it."
"God's Beard!"
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Yeah, I've even been correcting people the opposite way this whole time.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
A guy at the prerelease got mad at me for telling him he can't activate Fabrication Module on his end step to trigger Fairgrounds Trumpter. I told him it was fine and that I didn't care if we just said he did it before that, but that its not legal to hold mana up for Fabrication Module and then get 2 counters. He told me "NO IT WORKS."
SigmasonicX
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I had to look this up since I hadn't remembered that Fairgrounds Trumpeter only gets a counter at the beginning of each end step.
"God's Beard!"
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What is it about MTG that keeps you guys coming back? I like solving puzzles and I'll admit that I get a sick pleasure when people tell me how good my decklists are or I win with a decklist I came up with. I've got a guy from the Italian MTG community testing my lists for me and he's been gushing about a couple of my brews which is really satisfying. He did turn me on to the idea of playing a copy of Nahiri's Wrath in the Gearhulk Explosion deck, which I thought was good tech.
So I'm mostly in it for narcissistic reasons, what about you guys?
So I'm mostly in it for narcissistic reasons, what about you guys?
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";218190182]What is it about MTG that keeps you guys coming back?[/QUOTE]
For me, it's almost entirely about how beautiful Magic is from a game design perspective.
I love analyzing every aspect of the game, from the rules to the cards, and there's always a new set, new card, new mechanic, or new interaction waiting to be discovered. When I had more free time a couple years back, I think I spent more time making custom cards than actually playing Magic. I try to learn as many TCGs as possible whenever I can because the genre tends to push designers towards unique and interesting play, and of course I play a wide variety of non-card games of all genres as well, but I always come back to Magic at some point or another.
It's astounding that the first TCG is also the greatest to this day.
For me, it's almost entirely about how beautiful Magic is from a game design perspective.
I love analyzing every aspect of the game, from the rules to the cards, and there's always a new set, new card, new mechanic, or new interaction waiting to be discovered. When I had more free time a couple years back, I think I spent more time making custom cards than actually playing Magic. I try to learn as many TCGs as possible whenever I can because the genre tends to push designers towards unique and interesting play, and of course I play a wide variety of non-card games of all genres as well, but I always come back to Magic at some point or another.
It's astounding that the first TCG is also the greatest to this day.
TheBlackMarvel
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";218190182]What is it about MTG that keeps you guys coming back? I like solving puzzles and I'll admit that I get a sick pleasure when people tell me how good my decklists are or I win with a decklist I came up with. I've got a guy from the Italian MTG community testing my lists for me and he's been gushing about a couple of my brews which is really satisfying. He did turn me on to the idea of playing a copy of Nahiri's Wrath in the Gearhulk Explosion deck, which I thought was good tech.
So I'm mostly in it for narcissistic reasons, what about you guys?[/QUOTE]
I like the art
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So I'm mostly in it for narcissistic reasons, what about you guys?[/QUOTE]
I like the art
sometimes
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Friends keep me playing and recently the feeling of improving radically.
Yes I like hearing how good my decklists are as well, I pride myself on being a good brewer.
Also I enjoy the competition but not as extreme as others do; rather, I enjoy puzzling out how to take down opponents based off their own misplays and identifying what to do and what not to do based on what's going on currently in the game. It's a work in progress on every game.
Also the feeling of getting better with more competitive constructed play makes me feel like I can evaluate cards better by just looking at them. For example, I was able to correctly identify many of Kaladesh cards for their limited/standard viability this time.
I also enjoy the sick pulls you can rip and the lotto aspect of the game.
When my wife and I open our 46 packs on friday that feeling will get satisfied.
My wife enjoys the collector's aspect of the game the most - she loves to sort and collect, so you can often find her sorting cards in my LGS while I'm the one doing battle.
Also I enjoy the competition but not as extreme as others do; rather, I enjoy puzzling out how to take down opponents based off their own misplays and identifying what to do and what not to do based on what's going on currently in the game. It's a work in progress on every game.
Also the feeling of getting better with more competitive constructed play makes me feel like I can evaluate cards better by just looking at them. For example, I was able to correctly identify many of Kaladesh cards for their limited/standard viability this time.
I also enjoy the sick pulls you can rip and the lotto aspect of the game.
When my wife and I open our 46 packs on friday that feeling will get satisfied.
My wife enjoys the collector's aspect of the game the most - she loves to sort and collect, so you can often find her sorting cards in my LGS while I'm the one doing battle.
phazedplasma
Member
Damn, Stark is still salty. Whata shithead
phazedplasma
Member
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";218190182]What is it about MTG that keeps you guys coming back?[/QUOTE]
I like exercising my brain outside of work.
I like exercising my brain outside of work.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";218190182]What is it about MTG that keeps you guys coming back? I like solving puzzles and I'll admit that I get a sick pleasure when people tell me how good my decklists are or I win with a decklist I came up with. I've got a guy from the Italian MTG community testing my lists for me and he's been gushing about a couple of my brews which is really satisfying. He did turn me on to the idea of playing a copy of Nahiri's Wrath in the Gearhulk Explosion deck, which I thought was good tech.
So I'm mostly in it for narcissistic reasons, what about you guys?[/QUOTE]
Commander is a fun way to hang out with friends. Used to be every Friday night before I moved, now its a way to hang out when I go back
Limited is a fascinating game to play. Each environment, even the crappy ones, still presents a pretty diverse set of strategies to try out, and I like that its the format that really forces you to evaluate every card in a set. Sometimes that 2 drop you'd never look at in a million years is the only way to fill out your curve, or a spell you'd never think to play swings a game around. Plumbing the depths of a format, or just enjoying how each draft turns out differently, keeps me coming back
So I'm mostly in it for narcissistic reasons, what about you guys?[/QUOTE]
Commander is a fun way to hang out with friends. Used to be every Friday night before I moved, now its a way to hang out when I go back
Limited is a fascinating game to play. Each environment, even the crappy ones, still presents a pretty diverse set of strategies to try out, and I like that its the format that really forces you to evaluate every card in a set. Sometimes that 2 drop you'd never look at in a million years is the only way to fill out your curve, or a spell you'd never think to play swings a game around. Plumbing the depths of a format, or just enjoying how each draft turns out differently, keeps me coming back
Simply Sarah
Member
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";218190182]What is it about MTG that keeps you guys coming back? I like solving puzzles and I'll admit that I get a sick pleasure when people tell me how good my decklists are or I win with a decklist I came up with. I've got a guy from the Italian MTG community testing my lists for me and he's been gushing about a couple of my brews which is really satisfying. He did turn me on to the idea of playing a copy of Nahiri's Wrath in the Gearhulk Explosion deck, which I thought was good tech.
So I'm mostly in it for narcissistic reasons, what about you guys?[/QUOTE]
I think most of my interest comes from the depth and complexity of the game. All the cards, all the rules, and how they all interact. There's just something to seeing the cards and trying to figure out what kinds of nonsense you can pull with them, along with appreciating the nonsense other people pull. So some deck building, some theory crafting, some playing, some rules lawyering, some figuring out how to best be a jerk in-game, and some observation. Normal constructed of every format, Commander, and Limited all have their charm. So, uh, I guess my answer is "almost everything. Yes, even realizing how many Homelands cards I own"?
So I'm mostly in it for narcissistic reasons, what about you guys?[/QUOTE]
I think most of my interest comes from the depth and complexity of the game. All the cards, all the rules, and how they all interact. There's just something to seeing the cards and trying to figure out what kinds of nonsense you can pull with them, along with appreciating the nonsense other people pull. So some deck building, some theory crafting, some playing, some rules lawyering, some figuring out how to best be a jerk in-game, and some observation. Normal constructed of every format, Commander, and Limited all have their charm. So, uh, I guess my answer is "almost everything. Yes, even realizing how many Homelands cards I own"?
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