Familienoberhauptvogel
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There usually isn't just a blue player and a combo player on any given table. If you don't wanna lose, run interaction.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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There usually isn't just a blue player and a combo player on any given table. If you don't wanna lose, run interaction.
I mean, blue is only the most played colour in magic. If no one has disruption they deserve to lose.
Single target is not as good in multiplayer yes, but every commander deck should still have a couple good targeted removal. Chaos Warp is probably the best red has ever gotten and will get in that department.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Yeah that's why Chaos Warp is a good card in EDH.
Meren is my favorite EDH commander, and my favorite deck. A lot of people say she's overpowered. That's probably true. But I would say that the reason she's so successful is because in my experience, she's allowed to stay on the board far longer than she should, lol.
She's a good, fair commander who benefits from a longer game. The deck also sometimes does ridiculous stuff really early in games as Reanimator decks do, so I guess that turns people off. At least she doesn't win on turn 2 or 3.
She and Daretti are my staples. Competitive, somewhat interactive decks that can produce some fun, back-and-forth games. I'd consider her Tier 2 in my playgroup; Mizzix, Narset, and Nekusar are all a lot stronger.
Joe Molotov
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Crushed it with G/B Fabricate last night at draft. Didn't lose a game. I also rare-drafted a Torrential Gearhulk, and then cracked a Smug Copter and a foil Harnessed Lightning in my prize packs.
1x Prakhata Pillarbug
1x Renegade Freighter
1x Aetherborn Maurader
1x Dhund Operative
1x Maulfist Squad
1x Thriving Rats
1x Arborback Stomper
1x Armorcraft Judge
1x Cultivator of Blades
1x Elegant Edgecrafters
1x Fairground Trumpeter
1x Highspire Artisan
1x Peema Outrider
1x Sage of Shalia's Claim
1x Thriving Rhino
1x Wild Wanderer
1x Hunt the Weak
1x Durable Handicraft
1x Wildest Dreams
1x Die Young
1x Essence Extraction
1x Make Obsolete
1x Rush of Vitality
1x Prophetic Prism
9x Forest
7x Swamp
1x Prakhata Pillarbug
1x Renegade Freighter
1x Aetherborn Maurader
1x Dhund Operative
1x Maulfist Squad
1x Thriving Rats
1x Arborback Stomper
1x Armorcraft Judge
1x Cultivator of Blades
1x Elegant Edgecrafters
1x Fairground Trumpeter
1x Highspire Artisan
1x Peema Outrider
1x Sage of Shalia's Claim
1x Thriving Rhino
1x Wild Wanderer
1x Hunt the Weak
1x Durable Handicraft
1x Wildest Dreams
1x Die Young
1x Essence Extraction
1x Make Obsolete
1x Rush of Vitality
1x Prophetic Prism
9x Forest
7x Swamp
charlequin
Banned
Chaos Warp is one of the first cards I add to any red Commander list. You're nuts.
Yeah this is a real problem. It's another one of those "conventional wisdom" things that people repeat a lot but doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. Good spot removal can neutralize all the secondary threats in other decks, deliver huge tempo wins against their commanders when used tactically, and break up winning combos at key moments.
divisionbyzorro
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Chaos Warp is literally a must play in 99% of red EDH decks.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
StP doesn't get rid of altar of dementia while anafenza is on the stack.
There's few universal removal options that don't care for indestructibility and regeneration at instant speed at a relatively low cost. It's not an auto include in every red EDH deck but it's always a consideration.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Doesn't hit lands.
Chaos Warp is literally the number 1 Red Card on EDHREC for Mono Red, behind Sol Ring and Caged Sun
https://edhrec.com/commanders/r/#mono-redstaples
https://edhrec.com/commanders/r/#mono-redstaples
lol mono red way to prove red cards are shit
Wait what?
divisionbyzorro
Member
I put Oblation into every one of my white EDH decks on MTGO (back when I played EDH regularly there). The card is great.
blindrocket
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Do any of you care about Vintage or Legacy? It's Eternal weekend. Apparently just as expected, Paradoxical Outcome is making a big splash in Vintage. Legacy is tomorrow.
I see we are at that part of the MTG thread cycle where Firemind talks nonsense
yeah I just roll my eyes and ignore him.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
only as far as VSL.
blindrocket
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Reid Duke just hard cast Blightsteel Colossus and Hiromichi Ito followed up with Phyrexian Metamorph cloning Blightsteel Colossus. lol
Oh, and Fleetwheel Cruiser is the real deal.
Oh, and Fleetwheel Cruiser is the real deal.
Well, yeah, I just beat a guy on MTGO who literally played four Bloodline Keepers in one game.I see we are at that part of the MTG thread cycle where Firemind talks nonsense
divisionbyzorro
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That was not the breakout vehicle I expected.
blindrocket
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It crews itself the first turn it is played (basically), then after that it is easily crewed with Mishra's Factory.
charlequin
Banned
I guess that justifies the 90 minutes Menendian spent talking about it on his podcast!
Is there coverage happening somewhere? I'm really curious what the format is looking like. Which type of deck is Paradoxical Outcome getting played in?
This is one of the ways that Vintage is a super-weird format. For an aggro artifact, the curve starts at {3} and goes up from there, so 4 mana stuff is eminently playable. The only other artifact that would get in for quick damage on turn one or come out of nowhere to nuke Planeswalkers later in the game at 4 mana was Slash Panther, which was already Vintage-playable at {4} + 2 life; this even has one extra power and toughness to work with.
divisionbyzorro
Member
I just thought that Skysovereign was the one, to be honest. Being crewable by a single factory is not something I considered though.
SigmasonicX
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Where are you guys watching this?
Joe Molotov
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Should have called it Auto Zone. Or O'Reilys.
Placed 3rd at FNM this evening. First time making prize support. Really excited about that .
Did it playing this deck:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/black-white-ally-life-steal-1/
Played a similar deck which gave me ideas for how to improve it. (trading out bladewhirls for more lantern scouts)
Not as excited about having to play against a dude they call salty steve. The guy played really sloppy, was really rude and had TERRIBLE table manners. What do you even do in that situation. He was very childish (lived up to his name I guess?). I like the shop I play at, but I don't know if I want to go back if it means possibly getting paired up with such an awful player. he was sloppy to the point that he'd activate a PW ability. start doing other shit and finish resolving the PW ability later. (for reference it was EMN tamiyo's -2). It wasn't just that he played sloppy/slow, it was his awful attitude.
That aside, I'm fairly new to magic but the commander 2016 stuff seems cool. Is that a good way to get into commander? What's the MSRP on commander decks like that? (specifically does the Yidris deck seem playable? The plan is for a few of us at work to each get a different Commander 2016 deck when they release).
.Did it playing this deck:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/black-white-ally-life-steal-1/
Played a similar deck which gave me ideas for how to improve it. (trading out bladewhirls for more lantern scouts)
Not as excited about having to play against a dude they call salty steve. The guy played really sloppy, was really rude and had TERRIBLE table manners. What do you even do in that situation. He was very childish (lived up to his name I guess?). I like the shop I play at, but I don't know if I want to go back if it means possibly getting paired up with such an awful player. he was sloppy to the point that he'd activate a PW ability. start doing other shit and finish resolving the PW ability later. (for reference it was EMN tamiyo's -2). It wasn't just that he played sloppy/slow, it was his awful attitude.
That aside, I'm fairly new to magic but the commander 2016 stuff seems cool. Is that a good way to get into commander? What's the MSRP on commander decks like that? (specifically does the Yidris deck seem playable? The plan is for a few of us at work to each get a different Commander 2016 deck when they release).
SigmasonicX
Member
MSRP is $34.99. They're good for getting into Commander.
shrapnelmagnet
Member
I feel strongly that this is not a thing. Social media and community policies are a thing, but they are a safeguard against litigation, not a rule by which your developers interact with the world.
Under my own contract, I am sure that I am also not allowed to accept unsolicited "Game Ideas", but I happily and eagerly sift through NeoGaf forums etc.
I don't mean to be pedantic, I just feel the need to say that Wizards devs do and will always scroll through relevant discussion forums.
charlequin
Banned
It totally is. Nobody in WotC R&D participates regularly on Reddit, or has an active forum-posting profile -- hell, they didn't even when WotC actually had their own forums. They're not allowed to stream, they're required to put goofy tags in their posts and ask permission of legal to discuss even fairly prosaic things. By virtue of having to avoid card designs, they also avoid a lot of the more fruitful discussions people have about game design and ways to improve the game in a broader fashion. The concept that Maro doesn't really know what people want until they actively bring it to him (by posting to Blogatog, more than anything else) actually applies to everyone there, more or less.
Like, sure, I understand that this kind of policy can't, deep down, actually keep people from looking at websites or even reading forbidden material, but it shapes what your public, visible online participation is allowed to look like, and by doing so, reduces how much you can actually keep up with what the audience is doing.
Wulfric
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Just traded some standard walkers for Engineered Explosives, so glad I'm not paying out of pocket for that card. It's ridiculously overpriced for what it essentially sideboard tech. Sadly it seems the modern PPTQ season is over around here. Now it's only sealed and standard. I really wanted to use that card.
Simply Sarah
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Well yeah. It's pretty well established that WotC/Hasbro Legal is overly cautious even by corporate legal department standards. I mean, I can't entirely fault them for bright line rules since that makes it much much easier to avoid legal trouble. It's just that it almost certainly harms the game.
blindrocket
Member
lololol
There is a real prize for top finish unpowered/Workshop/bazar (I think it's $500), but yeah Eldrazi is absurd
charlequin
Banned
#5 is an Eldrazi list with no Power.
Yeah, Menendian's been talking about this for probably like six months at this point -- the tribal Eldrazi deck is synergistic enough, and the Eldrazi-specific ramp effects so good in this particular deck, that the power doesn't actually add that much. It's kind of ideal inasmuch as it's a truly competitive Vintage deck with no power, but not so good as to be dominant or anything. Definitely goes to show how completely absurd the Eldrazi are though.
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