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[SPOILERS] Persona 5 Spoiler Thread | Steal your heart; steel yourself

Bebpo said:
His doctor could've slipped him something. There was too much at stake and the game showed these politicians have little empathy. The game went out of its way to try to be cynically grim realistic of corrupt government, and yet they don't have someone kill him and even let him confess on camera. Eh, it's a small nitpick but I think in general the game is quite smart and that part was not.
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I mean if he did they would have found out is the point? And no one of that bunch of scumbags was going to risk to be the scapegoat. They were all just out for themselves.

Remind me how many days they had to come up with something between the reformation and Shido's speech? I think it was about a week. In addition they actually also couldn't be sure about Shido really being reformed. When you remember prior victims, like Madarame or Haru's father they couldn't tell by their behavior if they properly reformed. Like they couldn't be a 100% sure just based of off Shido's immediate reaction, given that they also didn't have a whole lot of reliable data on that.
I'm sure some of them had the hope that he would just find himself again.

Most of them just went through a phase of that seemed to be similar to someone having depression/apathy(Madarame for example shutting himself out, sleeping a lot, etc).

Not a whole lot of time to assess the situation and come up with a something good and all that while Nijima putting on the pressure.
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I agree on the part though that I would have preferred if the true ending wasn't mandatory and more of an opt in like in P4 given that's it's basically a different story at that point. So people can just chose what type of game they wanted to end with.
That said I also see the point of how many would actually make use of that option after P4 or even just learning about there being a true ending.
Maybe the devs felt like it was arbitrary making that separation.
 
Holundrian said:
I mean if he did they would have found out is the point? And no one of that bunch of scumbags was going to risk to be the scapegoat. They were all just out for themselves.

Remind me how many days they had to come up with something between the reformation and Shido's speech? I think it was about a week. In addition they actually also couldn't be sure about Shido really being reformed. When you remember prior victims, like Madarame or Haru's father they couldn't tell by their behavior if they properly reformed. Like they couldn't be a 100% sure just based of off Shido's immediate reaction, given that they also didn't have a whole lot of reliable data on that.
I'm sure some of them had the hope that he would just find himself again.

Most of them just went through a phase of that seemed to be similar to someone having depression/apathy(Madarame for example shutting himself out, sleeping a lot, etc).

Not a whole lot of time to assess the situation and come up with a something good and all that while Nijima putting on the pressure.
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I agree on the part though that I would have preferred if the true ending wasn't mandatory and more of an opt in like in P4 given that's it's basically a different story at that point. So people can just chose what type of game they wanted to end with.
That said I also see the point of how many would actually make use of that option after P4 or even just learning about there being a true ending.
Maybe the devs felt like it was arbitrary making that separation.
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Yeah, it's a small nitpick and I can accept your reasoning. I just think if I were the MC team I'd have a smart plan to ensure he'd confess and make sure he definitely survived until then :P I mean their plan for the interrogation twist was very, very well thought out and smart although they did really on a little luck there with Nijima showing the phone, so maybe they were just relying on luck that no one would off Shido before he could make a public statement :P

I still wish he put up more of a fight, considering he knew what he was up against and was like "bring it on!" but all he could do was turn from Char into into a fist of the north star guy and then blow up his ship lol Akechi put up a better fight :P

Is anyone making a connection between Yaldabaoth and shadows being actual SMT demons this time around aka, the shadows you perceive inside a person's palace are actually demons underneath because Yaldabaoth is a god of perception with ties to demons and angels behind the strings?
 
Oh, is there anywhere online where I can watch videos of all the coop rank events? I was heavily thinking about doing a 2nd playthrough but now I'm kind of ok with not, and would rather just youtube/nico the few coops I didn't go through like the gamer kid/gun store guy.

Also any link to what Haru's persona upgrade looks like? I'm gonna reload a save a few weeks before the last dungeon and I should be able to get/see the party members I was missing except no way can I do Haru with the time I have left.
 
Bebpo said:
Is anyone making a connection between Yaldabaoth and shadows being actual SMT demons this time around aka, the shadows you perceive inside a person's palace are actually demons underneath because Yaldabaoth is a god of perception with ties to demons and angels behind the strings?
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I don't think so but I haven't been following up on that.

At least as I see it, the shadows in P5 aren't related to demons but are still creations of the human subconscious. So the forms we seem them are because of the images people have. That would sort of explain why we got the SMT run at the end of the game what with it being the angels, the final battle taking place around Christmas, Yaldabaoth etc, lol
 
Finally beat this game after a long pause and since I wanted to beat it during my winter break before going back to work. I played non stopped, which I kinda regret but I know if I stopped playing it, it would have taken me months to beat it. I clocked 110 hours..on my first playthrough, most I have ever in any persona game. I managed to max all except Ryuuji, Yusuke, futuba, and the moon arcana guy(forget his name). If I had an extra 5 days or so, I think I could have done it. My main gripe with this game was the cooperations. You need x status to continue(like all the other persona games). Okay, no problem....but now you have to complete this mission...then you get the you were are part of the theif group all along line. Really wish it wasn't forced to go to memento to max social links and just have the bonding.

Also, this is nothing too big, but I kinda hated the phone going off all the time during the wait period. Is everything going to be all right? We just have to wait, etc. It wasn't necessary to have those texts IMO.

For the december palace, I thought if you complete the dungeon right away, it would skips some days like persona 4 so I didn't beat it until 1 week before you had to since I realized it's best to clear it ASAP since no one wanted hang out. I wish I knew this wasn't the case since I probably could have maxed out all links on my first playthrough...

I thought the characters were great, especially Yusuke, Morugana, Sojiro(he is exactly like someone I know, talks the same way), and Makoto. The day after Valentine's Day had me laughing so hard.

The Igor twist was great! I thought his voice was different because his voice actor died but that wasn't the case. Akechi twist was obvious but his boss battle was sudden.

Near the end, it kinda reminded me of SMT: nocturne but with the typical anime scenes added in.

While I enjoyed this game, I still feel like it doesn't top persona 3 for me but I think it has to do with it being my first persona game and going through the game at my own pace. If I didn't rush this game, I think I would have enjoyed it more since the characters are all likeable and the story is much better. So for me, P3 = P5 >>> P4.

Now when is the super edition coming out for this game? No way I'm doing a second playthrough of this game unless a special edition comes out, I already spent way too much time on this game.l.

Sorry if this post seems all over the place, pass midnight and tired after playing this game the whole day. That's something I haven't done in years....
 
Er, I accidentally read that Goro betrays the group while searching for something about P4G (not in this thread, some other website), I don't know the when, how, and why.

Am I "heavily spoiled"? Damn it and the NA release was only a little over two months away.
 
Femto. said:
Er, I accidentally read that Goro betrays the group (not in this thread, some other website), I don't know the when, how, and why , while searching for something about P4G.

Is this the big plot twist in the game? Or am I "heavily spoiled"?
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Honestly, not really. It's a spoiler, but I wouldn't worry about it hindering your experience too much, since it's pretty easy to see coming and it's not even close to some of the stuff you could have spoiled for you. I would advise not reading anything else in this thread though for obvious reasons, because then you will be heavily spoiled.
 
fixyouregrammar said:
Honestly, not really. It's a spoiler, but I wouldn't worry about it hindering your experience too much, since it's pretty easy to see coming and it's not even close to some of the stuff you could have spoiled for you. I would advise not reading anything else in this thread though for obvious reasons, because then you will be heavily spoiled.
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Thanks!

And I'm out.
 
Only 4 weeks away for the west can't wait for everyone else to get their hands on it.
Curious if the Igor twist will have as much impact with dual vo available, something I didn't really consider. But I could easily see many going away from the scene just thinking oh he just has a different VA.
 
Holundrian said:
Only 4 weeks away for the west can't wait for everyone else to get their hands on it.
Curious if the Igor twist will have as much impact with dual vo available, something I didn't really consider. But I could easily see many going away from the scene just thinking oh he just has a different VA.
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Expect the standard 'someone spoiled who the traitor is. Is this game still worth playing?' posts. Honestly, the Igor reveal is more substantial, and even that means nothing to new series fans (of which there will be heaps).
 
ubiblu said:
Expect the standard 'someone spoiled who the traitor is. Is this game still worth playing?' posts. Honestly, the Igor reveal is more substantial, and even that means nothing to new series fans (of which there will be heaps).
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Yeah it's a bit of a shame for newcomers but really for anyone that at least played P4 it's going to be brilliant. Afaik the English localization has tried to replicate it judging by the English Igor VO which matches really close to the JP one.
It was one of my favorite oh shit moments in gaming as a whole especially since I was so dismayed at Igor's new JP voice for like all of the game.
 
The embargo lifted. So reviewers I'm just so unbelievably curious about the Igor twist and if they managed to replicate it in English.

For JP we knew the old VA died and the new voice they chose was incredibly jarring to be honest since the old voice was so synonymous with the character. It took a lot of readjustment to get used to it but when the reveal dropped it made it all the more powerful through this aspect. From what I've glimpsed AtlusUSA tried to replicate it but not sure if they did succeed.
 
Holundrian said:
The embargo lifted. So reviewers I'm just so unbelievably curious about the Igor twist and if they managed to replicate it in English.

For JP we knew the old VA died and the new voice they chose was incredibly jarring to be honest since the old voice was so synonymous with the character. It took a lot of readjustment to get used to it but when the reveal dropped it made it all the more powerful through this aspect. From what I've glimpsed AtlusUSA tried to replicate it but not sure if they did succeed.
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Oh shit, I wanna know too! My jaw was on the floor in the JP version. Hopefully they pulled it off.
 
Just had a game question - is there a Star Kaiwan exploit in this game like there was in P4? I just want to cheese the game with infinite HP/SP to get as much time as possible in the story part of the game.
 
firehawk12 said:
Just had a game question - is there a Star Kaiwan exploit in this game like there was in P4? I just want to cheese the game with infinite HP/SP to get as much time as possible in the story part of the game.
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There might be but I'm not aware of one. There are special skills you can get through community fusion later in the game but I don't think any of them are sp regen related. I will say though if you reach rank 7 death you can get accessories that probably get your about halfway there to cheesing it(they regen 7 sp per turn).
The alternative if you want to get as much time as possible in the story part of the game honestly just play on safety. There's no big drawback to that I believe.
 
Holundrian said:
The embargo lifted. So reviewers I'm just so unbelievably curious about the Igor twist and if they managed to replicate it in English.

For JP we knew the old VA died and the new voice they chose was incredibly jarring to be honest since the old voice was so synonymous with the character. It took a lot of readjustment to get used to it but when the reveal dropped it made it all the more powerful through this aspect. From what I've glimpsed AtlusUSA tried to replicate it but not sure if they did succeed.
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Definitely succeeded. The new Igor voice has already pissed everyone off hahaha
 
Holundrian said:
There might be but I'm not aware of one. There are special skills you can get through community fusion later in the game but I don't think any of them are sp regen related. I will say though if you reach rank 7 death you can get accessories that probably get your about halfway there to cheesing it(they regen 7 sp per turn).
The alternative if you want to get as much time as possible in the story part of the game honestly just play on safety. There's no big drawback to that I believe.
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Yeah, I might do that. I just saw that there was a Hardcore Risette type trophy (which I hate that they added that again because it's the worst trophy ever made in recent memory), so I figure I need to play on Normal at some point.

Was really hoping to just cheese the hell out of the game though. lol
 
jschreier said:
Definitely succeeded. The new Igor voice has already pissed everyone off hahaha
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Yes! Thanks for answering. Was really antsy about this but I'm glad to hear it.
I think despite how stellar the JP voices were I will try continue recommending anyone that only has familiarity with English for Persona to play it in English first.
It was such a great moment to me and I hope a lot of people will get a similar experience out of that scene. Rest in peace Tanonaka-san.

firehawk12 said:
Yeah, I might do that. I just saw that there was a Hardcore Risette type trophy (which I hate that they added that again because it's the worst trophy ever made in recent memory), so I figure I need to play on Normal at some point.

Was really hoping to just cheese the hell out of the game though. lol
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It's easier to get this time but yeah I think you need to play on normal for that unless you're like super diligent about it. For P4G I had a word doc list cause it just didn't want to pop where I would cross out phrases I triggered.
For P5 it kind of happened without special effort on my second playthrough.
On my first that was on safety it didn't pop on its own.

Edit: In case Jason comes back to the thread. Is this weeks Kotaku Splitscreen going to talk about Persona 5 or is that going to be for next week?

jschreier said:
Next week! Then maybe a spoilercast at some point in the distant future (June? July)
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Thanks! Super looking forward to both.
 
Holundrian said:
It's easier to get this time but yeah I think you need to play on normal for that unless you're like super diligent about it. For P4G I had a word doc list cause it just didn't want to pop where I would cross out phrases I triggered.
For P5 it kind of happened without special effort on my second playthrough.
On my first that was on safety it didn't pop on its own.
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Ah, there's still no easy way to track it? Bleeeh. lol
 
I've been reading reviews for Persona 5, including IGNs one and I must say the turn based battle system seems interesting and the other stuff , including the dungeon puzzles has got me kind of hyped for this game.

I am someone who has never played Persona before but I love the Final Fantasy series, loved Yakuza 0 (even though that ain't a JRPG). Is it worth for me to bite the bullet and buy this game, given I haven't played a Persona game before?
 
J 0 E said:
I heard you can't take screenshots while playing the game ... right?
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Yes, you can't use the share function for the main game.

Oh btw guys, how bad was the GameSpot P5 review video? Heard a lot of people trashing it but I can't watch it atm cuz I'm at work (please use spoiler bars if necessary)
 
Looking forward to seeing a wider audience get their hands on the game. I was talking with some friends and reviewers recently and we all kind of agreed that the plot - or at least the storytelling - goes careening off the rails near the end of Sae's dungeon. There's some ideas that might have worked, but nothing is given enough room to breathe (weird to say for a 100-hour RPG.)
 
MSMrRound said:
I got it in normal mode by basically just playing normally. It seems a lot easier than the Risette trophy to get.
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Yeah I think there's just more voiced navigator lines in this one so it makes it pretty easy to get normally instead of having to specifically grind it out like in P4G.
 
I googled a last name and I think I had the main villain spoiled from a search result. It brought up that characters last name, and that of her sister....

Gamefaqs users ruining it for everyone., but honestly I should have known better.

I went into P4 spoiled accidentally why should P5 be any different....
 
GSR said:
Looking forward to seeing a wider audience get their hands on the game. I was talking with some friends and reviewers recently and we all kind of agreed that the plot - or at least the storytelling - goes careening off the rails near the end of Sae's dungeon. There's some ideas that might have worked, but nothing is given enough room to breathe (weird to say for a 100-hour RPG.)
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The story's at its best with the episodic stuff for sure. As soon it goes more "bigger picture" it's just kind of okay.
 
MSMrRound said:
I got it in normal mode by basically just playing normally. It seems a lot easier than the Risette trophy to get.
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It's pretty easy to get, but be mindful that if you play on "Safety", you might miss out on a lot of lines due to being overpowered and killing enemies too easily.
 
So I finished the game last year and I missed out on one glaring detail. I hadn't thought about it again until I played through the prologue with the NA version.

How exactly did the protagonist got captured by the actual, IRL police after the casino? The casino is located in the Metaverse, and we didn't see the MC leaving it, yet the police was able to capture him and bring him straight to the police station.

I think I must have missed an explanation for this in my original playthrough. Anyone?
 
haolee said:
So I finished the game last year and I missed out on one glaring detail. I hadn't thought about it again until I played through the prologue with the NA version.

How exactly did the protagonist got captured by the actual, IRL police after the casino? The casino is located in the Metaverse, and we didn't see the MC leaving it, yet the police was able to capture him and bring him straight to the police station.

I think I must have missed an explanation for this in my original playthrough. Anyone?
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Akechi let them in with his phone navi.

That must have been one hard to explain police briefing
 
This might be better asked here, originally posted in the OT but didn't get much of an answer. How's the difficulty on normal in this compared to SMT IV?
 
Geez all these people who just gotten their hands on Persona 5 with those questions regarding Igor...

[voice change stuff]
don't go around shooting themselves in the foot now and have it ruined for them...
 
MSMrRound said:
Geez all these people who just gotten their hands on Persona 5 with those questions regarding Igor...

[voice change stuff]
don't go around shooting themselves in the foot now and have it ruined for them...
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Yeah actually kind of shocked reading some question here. I can only assume the people posting here don't care that much about spoilers, other than that it's really weird to go into the spoiler thread to ask about early game stuff and at that point honestly what can you do.
 
MSMrRound said:
Geez all these people who just gotten their hands on Persona 5 with those questions regarding Igor...

[voice change stuff]
don't go around shooting themselves in the foot now and have it ruined for them...
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I mean, it's natural for people to wonder why the voice was changed. But god I wish people who reply wouldn't say shit like "there's a story reason for it" since that's basically just outright spoiling it.
 
fixyouregrammar said:
I mean, it's natural for people to wonder why the voice was changed. But god I wish people who reply wouldn't say shit like "there's a story reason for it" since that's basically just outright spoiling it.
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The latter was mentioned before the release of the game in an interview. Most just assumed it meant Igor was reflecting the darker atmosphere or something.
 
Break it to me gently, how big of a spoiler is
False Igor?

Googled Persona 4 Igor Voice Actor and it was the first result.
 
After getting used to P5 fake Igor on the dub, hearing the real Igor voice was pretty weird. I thought it sounded completely differently than what it was in 3 and 4. Then I went back to watch videos of the Igor from those games and I was completely surprised that he actually sounded like that. Heh.

I was disappointed by two things in the end. One was that they didn't fully voice the sequences when you were going one by one to talk to your teammates and get them out of their cells. Pretty weird considering it's such a pivotal/emotional moment after everyone faded into thin air. And second was that once you get the super awesome huge persona, all it did was shoot a bullet. The scene was really cool, but transitioning into battle just to press one button was kinda lame. :P

I wonder what they'll do for the fes/golden version of P5. Sae's comments about all this being too nice of a coincidence before you got released seems like the big hint on what they're doing. And also there's always a good opportunity to bring back Goro Akechi since you never really see him actually die.
 
Totakeke said:
After getting used to P5 fake Igor on the dub, hearing the real Igor voice was pretty weird. I thought it sounded completely differently than what it was in 3 and 4. Then I went back to watch videos of the Igor from those games and I was completely surprised that he actually sounded like that. Heh.

I was disappointed by two things in the end. One was that they didn't fully voice the sequences when you were going one by one to talk to your teammates and get them out of their cells. Pretty weird considering it's such a pivotal/emotional moment after everyone faded into thin air. And second was that once you get the super awesome huge persona, all it did was shoot a bullet. The scene was really cool, but transitioning into battle just to press one button was kinda lame. :P

I wonder what they'll do for the fes/golden version of P5. Sae's comments about all this being too nice of a coincidence before you got released seems like the big hint on what they're doing. And also there's always a good opportunity to bring back Goro Akechi since you never really see him actually die.
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Man I agree, but that's budget constraints but how did I wish P5 was fully voiced given how stellar the VO was in that games.
Super curious as well for what route they're going to go. If it weren't for the anime scenes I'd be super convinced that giving P5 the P3P treatment with a FeMC is the way to go given how the game is setup. There's not a whole lot of empty space without major reshuffling to use for more fluff events ala P4G especially with the game ending hard in December and you being in prison. Of course they could always adjust but I do think a FeMC option would fit in more organically. I kind of hope we're getting a new version next year xD although it might be too soon. But man I've been holding off on a full replay to not get sick on the game fully expecting a new version to hit. But the western release reinvigorated my whole excitement on it. Been watching scenes to deal with it but the temptation is definitely there.
 
purg3 said:
This might be better asked here, originally posted in the OT but didn't get much of an answer. How's the difficulty on normal in this compared to SMT IV?
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I didn't play that game but it's harder compared to previous Persona (3 & 4) but not in a good way for me.
 
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