You mean like steam already can do?
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Eurogamer: New Xbox One tech can save hard drive space and cut download times
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You mean like steam already can do?
Conkerkid11
Member
This hasn't always been a feature available to developers? Steam lets devs just make stuff like higher resolution textures, or in the case of Black Ops III, the single player or multiplayer, optional downloads for the player in the form of free DLC.
What's stopping devs from doing this on XBL and PSN?
I've always seen it as a case of whether or not the devs want to put in the effort.
What's stopping devs from doing this on XBL and PSN?
I've always seen it as a case of whether or not the devs want to put in the effort.
LukasTaves
Member
From what Ms presented at GDC this is actually being added as a uwp feature, usable even by non store apps.
Toadthemushroom
Member
Having to implement and program it to work in the game itself, rather than having it be handled on an OS/system level.
CarlisleDavid1979
Member
Forgive my lack of knowledge on the subject, but couldn't they just have a smaller download available to begin with?
I guess compression is a factor.
I guess compression is a factor.
Conkerkid11
Member
Wouldn't that still be dependent on the implementation by the devs? I don't see how it could auto detect different language files, texture qualities, etc...
Pretty much.
Given the roaring success we've seen with developers doing the whole "play as you download", people shouldn't get their hopes up. This will be implemented in a case by case basis.
devs would only have to tag their content accordingly and the system would split and do the rest
so yes, up to the devs, but somewhat effortlessly
LukasTaves
Member
From the gdc talk, this system allows the game to signal what's the next package to be installed, essentially allowing playing while the install is streaming (at gdc they said from disc, but it's clear now they want from cloud too).
Daffy Duck
Member
Haven't watched the video, but I assume those of us with 1080p screens wth downsampling will be able to do the same?
That's pretty clever. But first they have to provide steam-like download speeds for this to be practical. Never mind the fact that on the ps4 this system, while less granular, has been an absolute failure.
Fata1moose
Banned
Halo 5 will be reduced from 100gb to 95.5.
i don't believe download speeds are a widespread problem for XBL
at least it isn't for me
and people expecting GaaS like games with tons of weekly/monthly MP content added to significantly reduce size will of course be bound to disappointment.
Thats a Greay Area
Member
They already do.
The video says that it's a system tag. That means, it will just check if your console is a Xbox One X or a standard Xbox One and download the stuff for your console, despite you playing in 1080p on your Xbox One X.
This sounds awesome. I hope devs take it up and also hope Sony follow this.
4k / 1080p assets makes sense, but cutting out languages you don't need could be huge, along with manually being able to uninstall a singleplayer portion of a game and just leave multiplayer is amazing.
4k / 1080p assets makes sense, but cutting out languages you don't need could be huge, along with manually being able to uninstall a singleplayer portion of a game and just leave multiplayer is amazing.
Sounds like this will be possible.
Games are packed tightly already interms of density, given we require higher quality audio, assets and video we cannot optimise further at the moment, so removing excess seems like a sensible solution. Seems like the only solution, what determines excess is unique to each gamer.
But this is like saying why cant my phone use less battery even though i continuously use its high end features .
Daffy Duck
Member
OK, cool.
I'm hoenstly curious if games will be revisitted for this or if this is just a "in the future" thing.
Also, I know you are joking, but Halo 5 Arena MP (excluding Campaign and Warzone) is 10GB of audio alone. If they did this, it would probably easily be 30+ GB.
Steverulez
Member
I suspect first party titles will be used to show it off to developers/publishers and convince them it's a good idea, assuming they can reasonably go back and do it for older titles
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Let's assuem the answer was yes...what would that have to do with anything here?
Steam offers the devs to split up their game and add things like better textures as an extra package in the store, not a system/OS level function which will do this automatically based on the metadata of the data involved and the system you're running on.
It will be far more likely to be used across the board.
Love this, let me download my games with English only audio and no multi-player bloat. Should save tons of space.
I am going to assume when launched we will get a download preference setting. Allowing us to pick what gets downloaded. (4k assets, language, SP, MP)
For those asking, no other console currently offers this. However, I expect this to be the norm for everyone in the future. This will help bring down bandwidth costs. Win/win
I am going to assume when launched we will get a download preference setting. Allowing us to pick what gets downloaded. (4k assets, language, SP, MP)
For those asking, no other console currently offers this. However, I expect this to be the norm for everyone in the future. This will help bring down bandwidth costs. Win/win
Nah, it'll be seemless and pick the assets based on the console (OG/1X), and pick the language based on your settings.
I ask, because I don't know if this will only apply to UWP games, which Halo 5 is not for example. Their GDC talk was all about how UWP games will be able to do this.
Toadthemushroom
Member
Yeah, but I assume the process will be consistent across all games, and it'll be much easier to program and implement.
H5 ain't gonna touch this. H6 though, it'll be 25 - 200 GB depending on your personal preferences.
FunkyDealer
Banned
This is great, and much needed. I hope they can retrofit it to some of the bigger titles already released. And this tech would be godsend on PC as well.
Hopefully Valve will decide it's worth their time to implement on Steam.
Hopefully Valve will decide it's worth their time to implement on Steam.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Steam only really lets you do that if those high res textures came after the fact, rather than as part of the base experience. So while you can choose not to with the original Skyrim, you can't do it with the Skyrim special edition. I can't go to Doom and dump the lower or medium setting assets because I don't need them with my GTX 970. I can't toggle Shadow of War to say not to download the Ultra textures that I simply don't have enough VRAM for.
But then I suppose that gets into an issue of technical capacity vs standard expectation and usage. In which case, devs have technically had the capacity for this for years if they simply chose to segment their whole games like they do their DLC. Now Microsoft is actively encouraging them to do so, with the main premise of targeting specific console variants.
There is nothing that makes it only work after the fact. Free DLC and addon content that is released at the same time as the game works in exactly the same way.
As always it is up to the developers to distribute their game in such a way that allows piecemeal content.
Jumping Chief
Neo Member
Great news. Could always use more space
JonnyDBrit
Member
Hence, 'issue of technical capacity vs standard expectation and usage'.
Sure, but that isn't going to change here. This, as with steam, is up to the developer to implement.
Blam
Member
Nope.
Ok I stand corrected.
Wasn't Star Citizen supposed to eventually hit 100+ GB? Oh, this is what I remember reading:
https://www.polygon.com/2015/3/12/8198615/star-citizens-client-will-be-a-100gb-download
http://www.pcgamer.com/star-citizen-client-expected-to-be-around-100gb/
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-citizen-pc-client-could-be-100-gb/1100-6425874/
Hugh Swank
Member
GG Microsoft
Finally, in 2017, when can have multi-disc releases. What a wonderful new feature. Who would have thought you can put files on one disc and then - oh my god it's unbelievable - another one, and use them both for one game! It was deemed impossible, but they must have employed wizards over at Redmond to make such a feat possible.
Sony must be years behind in tech.
Sony must be years behind in tech.
This is similar to the app thinning concept in iOS.
https://developer.apple.com/library...istributionGuide/AppThinning/AppThinning.html
Like the Eurogamer article says you basically you break up your app package and only download whats needed based on your target device.
I am curious how much space language based tagging would save, but if a game is creating new cutscenes for each language it might be significant enough.
https://developer.apple.com/library...istributionGuide/AppThinning/AppThinning.html
Like the Eurogamer article says you basically you break up your app package and only download whats needed based on your target device.
I am curious how much space language based tagging would save, but if a game is creating new cutscenes for each language it might be significant enough.