Not true at all. When the emulator is built for the systems hardware like BlargSNES did, games run great. Nintendo has the resources for an emulator like this.
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SNES games available exclusively on the NN3DS.
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Robin64
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For those who doubt Original 3DS would not be able to run these roms, watch this.
Zombie James
Banned
Yes.
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Starwolf_UK
Member
No cross buy to me feels like they are worried about opening the NES floodgates like that time they made the Wii Web browser free and refunded anyone who paid (btw, I'd like to see them refund anyone who bought Wii Street U which is soon going to stop working due to the APIs becoming out of date and it not being worth anyones money to maintain) and it would probably be quite the maintenance period to work it all out (you have to scan each account for owning NES game on Wii U and 3DS).
There is also the matter of cross buy being a bit buggy at the moment. For games with Wii U <> 3DS cross buy all Wii U users are eligible for the cross buy rather than just the user who bought it so if you had a friend who doesn't want a Wii U and wants to tie their NNID to your Wii U (pain in the ass due to how there is no end user unlinking from hardware) they could then get stuff for free...
Yeah fix your bloody system is the answer here rather than punish your customers.
If anything it makes me sad how poor the 3DS performance is when it comes to 2D graphics. I could run Earthbound fairly flawlessly on a DS lite using a Datel Games n' Music cart and a homebrew SNES emulators whose name I've forgotten. Most games had various issues in it though but for the most part speed was good...
There is also the matter of cross buy being a bit buggy at the moment. For games with Wii U <> 3DS cross buy all Wii U users are eligible for the cross buy rather than just the user who bought it so if you had a friend who doesn't want a Wii U and wants to tie their NNID to your Wii U (pain in the ass due to how there is no end user unlinking from hardware) they could then get stuff for free...
Yeah fix your bloody system is the answer here rather than punish your customers.
I don't think anyone is arguing that this specific emulator is being gated only to N3DS for no apparent reason.
If anything it makes me sad how poor the 3DS performance is when it comes to 2D graphics. I could run Earthbound fairly flawlessly on a DS lite using a Datel Games n' Music cart and a homebrew SNES emulators whose name I've forgotten. Most games had various issues in it though but for the most part speed was good...
KojiKnight
Member
Yes, because Super Mario World is the most technically impressive and demanding of all SNES games and thus should be used to make the point....
No I'm joking... SMW doesn't use any advance effects of the SNES (scaling, rotation, mode 7) except for a few small instances in gimmicky boss fights and even then it's not done in a way that pushes the system. It's NOT a good "Look this PROVES it" kind of game.
Pilot Wings would be a better example. Also a launch title, but it uses mode 7 as well as the DSP-1 chip. Better still would be a late-gen game that doesn't use a special chip.
(edit) NM, made a fool out of myself because I didn't watch the full thing lol
JohnOfMars
Banned
Well said. I don't have a Wii U. So while it sucks that there's no Cross Buy or discount, it's fantastic for a lot of people.
I'm super excited! This is just what I need as a new dad.
BigTnaples
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Do we need a separate thread for this when it is stated in the title of the other thread??
AndyMoogle
Member
That video shows the difference between N3DS (first half of video) and regular 3DS. It runs like complete shit at 3DS CPU speed.
SoulUnison
Banned
In retrospect, I wonder how long this has been in the pipeline.
I bet they've been holding it back a long time trying to get it to work on the OG 3DS hardware, too. There's just no reason to alienate 75% of your userbase if it can be helped.
They probably just finally gave up and decided to make it "New" exclusive moving forward.
Would explain the Super Famicom badges in the Nintendo Badge Arcade as the obvious odd-man-out for a while.
I bet they've been holding it back a long time trying to get it to work on the OG 3DS hardware, too. There's just no reason to alienate 75% of your userbase if it can be helped.
They probably just finally gave up and decided to make it "New" exclusive moving forward.
Would explain the Super Famicom badges in the Nintendo Badge Arcade as the obvious odd-man-out for a while.
whiterabbit
Member
Damn, if I had a New 3ds I would be on board. I have Mario world on GBA as well as DKC2, and I've played DKC on my SNES. I don't really like LTTP; I also have Super Metroid on Wii, but no classic controller rn so I can't play it.
The only reason I want to play Earthbound is because of Ness from Smash Bros. but I'm not sure I have the patience for RPGs anymore.
Also I'd like to try Megaman 7.
I bought an OG 3ds and a 2ds at the end of 2013; had I known the new one was coming I would have waited.
The only reason I want to play Earthbound is because of Ness from Smash Bros. but I'm not sure I have the patience for RPGs anymore.
Also I'd like to try Megaman 7.
I bought an OG 3ds and a 2ds at the end of 2013; had I known the new one was coming I would have waited.
And that's with Super Mario World, one of the easiest SNES games to emulate. Try throwing some Mode 7 at it or any of the later SNES games and the OG 3DS would choke and die.
Freeman
Banned
They want you to buy another 3DS so you can repurchase SNES games for $7.99?
Also If the original 3DS can't run SNES games, Nintendo should quit the hardware business out of shame. The whole New 3DS is a slap in the face, I regret buying a 3DS and don't see myself buying another Nintendo hardware.
What is going on with this companies, they are completely out of touch (not only Nintendo).
Also If the original 3DS can't run SNES games, Nintendo should quit the hardware business out of shame. The whole New 3DS is a slap in the face, I regret buying a 3DS and don't see myself buying another Nintendo hardware.
What is going on with this companies, they are completely out of touch (not only Nintendo).
And The Minish Cap if you have ambassador status from the original 3DS.
The new 3DS was a bad deal when it launched and this doesn't do anything to sweeten the deal considering how late into the generation it is. Knowing Nintendo, there will be a handful of games, months of nothing, and then an announcement of new hardware that necessitates buying all of these games again. No thanks.
I've been holding back for Earthbound because I don't want to play it on Wii U, so it's great news. Kind of confused with the angry comments of being HAVE to buy it again because you can just ignore the news? I mean this news is literally "game x now available on y" and that's enough to get angry I guess.
Now the bigger question is whether your virtual console purchases carried over to NX or not. I'm not expecting it, considering Nintendo, so I'll just assume that my purchases are for n3ds only.
Now the bigger question is whether your virtual console purchases carried over to NX or not. I'm not expecting it, considering Nintendo, so I'll just assume that my purchases are for n3ds only.
KojiKnight
Member
I mean, ideally a company wants you to buy all of their products... but if you think they made the new 3DS specifically for SNES emulation I think you're confused. This is more of a "We have the power in our new hardware, why not offer it now?"
These arm-chair "I have no idea how software works but I have an opinion and therefore it's more right than what software engineers say" attitude is just hilariously bad.
anotherVegan
Member
So much whining going on. Can we just be happy this is finally happening?
entremet
Member
The price is fine. Lack of cross buy is what sucks.
ViolentP
Member
Agreed. But that price is essentially doubled if upgrading.
Professor Beef
Banned
If someone gives me my food but with shitty service, why should I be happy?
whiterabbit
Member
I think the console hardware and controller of the SNES is better than NES but I tend to like NES games better.
entremet
Member
A better analogy, the food is fine, you're just paying double your original bill for the same item lol.
Hatty
Member
Nah I'd pay $30 for portable SMW or LTTP as I did on the GBA.
I kindof doubt the VITA would be able to do SNES emulation either. It's only clocked a little higher than old 3DS and while it has more cores, I'm not sure anyone has managed to make a SNES emulator that really utilize multi threading. Does it have any native homebrew yet, it would be interesting to see how the emulators fare?
mario_O
Member
Weird. Namco was able to get SNES running on normal 3DS years ago.
So it can be done. Might be with a little bit of extra work, or maybe not.
KojiKnight
Member
Still not a great analogy... You're expected to consume food many times through out your life, so you'd expect to have to pay each time.
This is like going from cassette to buying an MP3... only the MP3 is tied to your computer and you can't play it on your phone unless you buy it again.
Quoting myself from the other thread...
This method, of course, takes a LOT more time and attention versus creating 1 general (but slower) emulator and just making slight tweaks to individual games.
ViolentP
Member
I'm sure you and many others. Honestly though, I think I'm out. After 30 years of riding with Nintendo, I think my time is past. This is a new mans company. It was a great ride though.
Find me all nine snes games in cart form for $8 each.
SoulUnison
Banned
Weird. Namco was able to get SNES running on normal 3DS years ago.
This is a legitimate technical explanation, but it's still a huge stinging slap in the face that Namco would go through that sort of trouble for a re-release collection, and Nintendo won't do it for their headlining, first-party, pride-and-joy "Virtual Console" service.
These games are so precious to Nintendo that they'll charge us for them on 3 separate occasions, but not so precious that they'll put the work in to make them available to their entire hardware userbase?
They have the money, they have the talent and manpower. They simply don't want to.
And then, insult to injury, they still trickle the game releases out at a snail's pace even though there's no additional work to be done or time necessary to be taken.
Nintendo is my favorite company, but some of their choices are just indefensible and embarrassing.
If it turns out that there's still no cross-buy or forward-compatibility with these titles, even when they're starting to tout their new account system... I don't even know.
It'd be a black eye that it'd take a long time for me to forgive them for, if ever.
King Gilga
Member
New 3DS only?
Go fuck yourself Nintendo.
Shit like this is why I'll never buy another nintendo system again after this gen.
Go fuck yourself Nintendo.
Shit like this is why I'll never buy another nintendo system again after this gen.
ViolentP
Member
I've paid much more than $8 to play A Link to the Past on the SNES. And GBA. And Wii. And DS.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Well that a rather illogical knee-jerk reaction.
even the homebrew emulators run like shit on regular 3DS, they only run well on n3DS.
highly accurate SNES emulation requires more horsepower than one may think. There's a reason that the 3DS can't emulate an N64 but can run N64 ports with massively updated graphics (Starfox, Zelda, Majora) because that emulation layer costs you.
Wait, is it only for the NN3DS XL, and not the New N3DS? http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/f-zero-vc-snes-3ds seems to say "New Nintendo 3DS XL only" under "System" and has this image
Can anyone on a New N3DS (not XL) confirm that the SNES games can be bought/played on it?
Can anyone on a New N3DS (not XL) confirm that the SNES games can be bought/played on it?
SoulUnison
Banned
Is it, though? Virtual Console has been kind of a joke since the Wii, and Nintendo seems to have no intention of ever bringing their service for playing decades old games into 2016.
I can see people looking at Amiibo and Virtual Console and deciding that they don't like the way the company seems to be heading.
Nintendo used to be about selling you "the complete package."
Now they lock content behind Amiibos and let you experience the thrill of buying your favorite SNES games as separate purchases across your Wii, Wii U and "New" 3DS.
If they slap a price tag on them a fourth time on the NX, it'll be almost as hilarious as it is depressing.
I really feel like Nintendo's lost the plot badly in and around the Wii U generation.
Wait, is it only for the NN3DS XL, and not the New N3DS? http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/f-zero-vc-snes-3ds seems to say "New Nintendo 3DS XL only" under "System" and has this image
Can anyone on a New N3DS (not XL) confirm that the SNES games can be bought/played on it?
It works on both, it's just that in North America there's still officially only the XL available at general retail (ignoring the regular n3DS as part of the AC bundle), so they use that in the branding. They did the same with the DSi XL.
Wait, is it only for the NN3DS XL, and not the New N3DS? http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/f-zero-vc-snes-3ds seems to say "New Nintendo 3DS XL only" under "System" and has this image
Can anyone on a New N3DS (not XL) confirm that the SNES games can be bought/played on it?
Can confirm first hand.
RadioJoNES64
Banned
That's not a joke. GameCube VC will come to NX and be NX only.
The entire virtual console is going to get rehauled and coded from scratch for the new architecture that will be NX's future for the next decade or so.
Instead of starting from scratch each gen the new virtual console, a 2.0 if you will, is going to last generations and games won't need to be repurchased with new consoles due to the NX and my Nintendo accounts having cloud services enabled now.
Nintendo didn't bother adding more big N64 or any GameCube support because they're saving it for the NX instead of writing an emulator for an obsolete PowerPC architecture.
You're all going to have to rebuy the games again but the next time will be the last time. My Nintendo will recognize you're licences so I'm sure when you buy them again for NX they'll be discounted.
SoulUnison
Banned
Diddy Kong
Banned
No cross buy? Fuck off