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Monk · Nov 5, 2006

Why is that? Purely due to economic factors. While in other countries the price has gone up less than 50% to the ps2, the ps3($500) has gone up in price from the original ps2($300) by 66%. Oil prices and and cost of living has dramatically increased. So unless you have been savin for quite a while for the ps3, taking a huge chunk of money out of your income is just plain unjustifiable for most people. And in a recent study HDTV adoption is still a high income earner item.

"Even with the price of HD sets decreasing, we see that growth of HD is being driven by those who can most afford to buy one, which in an increasing number of instances includes households with more than one HDTV set," said Bruce Leichtman, president and principal analyst for Leichman Rsearch Group.

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003314428

And what about the fact that it earnings per hour has actually decreased since the bush administration with the decreasing minimum wage?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A37628-2004Dec30?language=printer

It all adds up to one thing, justification of a $500 console is much harder than it was 5 years ago, it is definately more of a luxury item than the ps2 was.

And before you say anything. $500 ps3 is not the tard pack.

Branduil · Nov 5, 2006

Uh-oh.

Wollan · Nov 5, 2006

No chance.

Wario64 · Nov 5, 2006

SolidSnakex · Nov 5, 2006

This thread is awesome.

college_boy · Nov 5, 2006

So...IBTL?

Speevy · Nov 5, 2006

It has a very good chance, just not before 2008.

Mojovonio · Nov 5, 2006

why the hell would you make this thread?

MoxManiac · Nov 5, 2006

~Kinggi~ · Nov 5, 2006

America is crumbling take to the streets and put that rockstar training to use.

Tenacious-V · Nov 5, 2006

Branduil · Nov 5, 2006

manngc · Nov 5, 2006

Monk,
What are you trying to say? That Sony will not drop the price? You don't think Sony has thought of reducing the price yet? It will not be $500 for more than 2 years, that's for sure.

Fantasmo · Nov 5, 2006

I expect this thread to stay on page 1 for a long time unless it gets locked

Beatbox · Nov 5, 2006

This thread has virtually no chance of going anywhere.

Monk · Nov 5, 2006

i made this thread because i have a theory. I am looking for someone to disprov it.

Mejilan · Nov 5, 2006

I KNOW OF PEOPLE THAT ALREADY BOUGHT 12!!

leehom · Nov 5, 2006

Nintendo fanboy ftl.

smurfx · Nov 5, 2006

bullshit my nephew is going to be getting the ps3 and i never though in a million years that his mom would buy one for him but they actually went to toys r us to try and get a pre order. oh and yes she knew how much it was so you can't use that excuse. i usually use my family as a measuring stick into how well new tech is going to be adopted and it has always been fairly accurate. i knew cellphones would be big when my uncle who is a total tech noob got one. :lol

jvalioli · Nov 5, 2006

Rastex?

JdFoX187 · Nov 5, 2006

So you recycle the same argument that has been made since E3 and add nothing to it. Then you make a thread about it. What are you trying to do?

davepoobond · Nov 5, 2006

i already have the worst thread of the weekend, there's no way you're gonna outstep me.

Elios83 · Nov 5, 2006

Branduil said:

:lol :lol :lol

RaijinFY · Nov 5, 2006

What...?

DaCocoBrova · Nov 5, 2006

The cost of the PS3 is not as prohibitive as people want to think it is. With the supply numbers as low as they are, price makes no difference. In fact, it gives casuals the impression that it's that much more powerful than the competition.

Burger · Nov 5, 2006

The thread poster makes more sense than everyone else going "ZOMG You can't say things like that here! IBTL!!!1"

Come on, argue with the guy.

Newzboyz99 · Nov 5, 2006

bullshit my nephew is going to be getting the ps3 and i never though in a million years that his mom would buy one for him but they actually went to toys r us to try and get a pre order. oh and yes she knew how much it was so you can't use that excuse. i usually use my family as a measuring stick into how well new tech is going to be adopted and it has always been fairly accurate.

Well I am convinced. :-/

NinSoX · Nov 5, 2006

As the price gradually drops it'll gain more buyers. I know a dozen people who are not even thinking about it unless it hits $299. (for the record, they will NEVER consider a 360 as a 'replacement'). Whatever.

Community Forum · Nov 5, 2006

You are using price as the sole factor in your argument?

What would the price need to be, in your opinion, for it to have a chance in North America?

The $400 Xbox 360 sure seems like it has been having a great "chance."

Mejilan · Nov 5, 2006

davepoobond said:
i already have the worst thread of the weekend, there's no way you're gonna outstep me.

Link (and stealth derail)?

Red Scarlet · Nov 5, 2006

Branduil said:

This topic is stupid. Oh, Monk made it.

Monk · Nov 5, 2006

manngc said:
Monk,
What are you trying to say? That Sony will not drop the price? You don't think Sony has thought of reducing the price yet? It will not be $500 for more than 2 years, that's for sure.

Hell no, thats not what i am saying. I am making a a comparison between the competition and considering the economic factors into it. Thought what i am saying is that the 360 will always look more appealing to the ps3 because of the price. I fully expet the price of the 360 to drop soon to make things even harder for the ps3.

Fun fact in ~2000 in america the average wage adjusted to inflation was roughly $19 an hour whereas now its $17.

jett · Nov 5, 2006

:lol

What else can you say.

Speevy · Nov 5, 2006

DaCocoBrova said:
In fact, it gives casuals the impression that it's that much more powerful than the competition.

Except there's no correlation between graphics and sales numbers. SNES vs. Genesis, PS2 vs. Xbox, PS1 and N64, PSP vs. DS. The fact is that the very definition of "good graphics" is different between casuals and this forum.

Link648099 · Nov 5, 2006

If I were to say any reason the PS3 has less of a chance for success in NA, price is part of it but more than anything it might be the supply of the console and the strengthened supplies of its competitors consoles. Just because we have beat the dead horse of price around here way too much, does not make it any less of a factor for mass adoption. So it is still significant. But Sony's launch numbers are almost as significant in my opinion, and they are going to have a hard time in that department in an industry where differentiation is not on their side.

Chittagong · Nov 5, 2006

Monk said:
Why is that? Purely due to economic factors. While in other countries the price has gone up less than 50% to the ps2, the ps3($500) has gone up in price from the original ps2($300) by 66%. Oil prices and and cost of living has dramatically increased. So unless you have been savin for quite a while for the ps3, taking a huge chunk of money out of your income is just plain unjustifiable for most people. And in a recent study HDTV adoption is still a high income earner item.

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003314428

And what about the fact that it earnings per hour has actually decreased since the bush administration with the decreasing minimum wage?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A37628-2004Dec30?language=printer

It all adds up to one thing, justification of a $500 console is much harder than it was 5 years ago, it is definately more of a luxury item than the ps2 was.

And before you say anything. $500 ps3 is not the tard pack.

jarosh · Nov 5, 2006

Monk said:
Why is that? Purely due to economic factors. While in other countries the price has gone up less than 50% to the ps2, the ps3($500) has gone up in price from the original ps2($300) by 66%. Oil prices and and cost of living has dramatically increased. So unless you have been savin for quite a while for the ps3, taking a huge chunk of money out of your income is just plain unjustifiable for most people. And in a recent study HDTV adoption is still a high income earner item.

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003314428

And what about the fact that it earnings per hour has actually decreased since the bush administration with the decreasing minimum wage?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A37628-2004Dec30?language=printer

It all adds up to one thing, justification of a $500 console is much harder than it was 5 years ago, it is definately more of a luxury item than the ps2 was.

And before you say anything. $500 ps3 is not the tard pack.

Dahbomb · Nov 5, 2006

I am posting in a legendary thread.

Red Scarlet · Nov 5, 2006

Monk said:
Fun fact in ~2000 in america the average wage adjusted to inflation was roughly $19 an hour whereas now its $17.

So if you get a 2nd job like Kutaragi suggested, the PS3 price is no problem, nor are the games!

Really, the people that want it and can afford it will get the thing (without 2 jobs). Those that can't will wait and the system will be fine.

jarosh said:

Thread redeemed! Except why is it the slapper's right hand that goes in, but is the left hand that slaps the guy????

smurfx · Nov 5, 2006

Newzboyz99 said:
Well I am convinced. :-/

well you should be they are the biggest casual gamers out there and i'm sure they aren't the only ones that will still get the ps3 even though it's 500 and 600 dollars.

Tenacious-V · Nov 5, 2006

jarosh said:

His hand switches!

border · Nov 5, 2006

Monk said:
i made this thread because i have a theory. I am looking for someone to disprov it.

Why is the burden of proof shunted off onto other people?

Anyhow, theories are proven or disproven through experimentation and real-world analysis, not rhetoric. There is no purpose for this thread -- nothing here can be proved.

davepoobond · Nov 5, 2006

Mejilan said:
Link (and stealth derail)?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127383 :lol

the girl next door · Nov 5, 2006

you have a good point, i guess the PS3 will dedicate specifically to the hardcore crowd...

Link648099 · Nov 5, 2006

Tenacious-V said:
His hand switches!

teh gaf magic

Monk · Nov 5, 2006

SHOTEH FOCK OP said:
You are using price as the sole factor in your argument?

What would the price need to be, in your opinion, for it to have a chance in North America?

The $400 Xbox 360 sure seems like it has been having a great "chance."

Its not so much the price but economic factors. It has to be around $50 more than the 360 atleast to stay competitive to the 360.

Even analysts have said its going to be a close race. People even globally have had the pinch of the oil prices. But it think America is the place that have been hit hard the most.

Stealth · Nov 5, 2006

You didn't even consider how strong the demand for the PS3 is, only how much it costs. People will do crazy things for Ridge Racer.

Link648099 · Nov 5, 2006

Stealth said:
You didn't even consider how strong the demand for the PS3 is, only how much it costs. People will do crazy things for Ridge Racer.

Demand with no supply and viable alternatives is wasted demand.

Spastic Colon · Nov 5, 2006

Sony did not take global realpolitik into account when pricing the PS3!

consoul · Nov 5, 2006

Newsflash!:Sony reads topic and immediately diverts entire US shipment to Europe.

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