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『 Architecture 』

AMD's Bulldozer Microarchitecture (CPU)

AMD's APU 101 - Jan 2011 (Accelerated Processing Unit)

What we know about AMD’s next-generation processors

AMD's Bulldozer architecture revealed - Some more specifics on a new concept in CPU layout

Bulldozer 20 Questions, Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3 - Part 4

Software Optimization Guide for AMD Family 15h Processors 1

Software Optimization Guide for AMD Family 15h Processors 2

AMD Family 15h ("Bulldozer" microarchitecture)
Bulldozer (15h 00h-0fh)
Piledriver in APU (15h 10h-1fh)
Piledriver in CPU (15h 20h-2fh)
Steamroller in APU (15h 30h-3fh)
Steamroller in CPU (15h 40h-4fh)

『 Videos 』

What is an APU?

Cebit 2011 - AMD - Return of the FX with John & Macci

MSI AMD 990FX motherboard just sitting around at Vegas ...

AMDUnprocessed's YouTube Channel

AMD Cores: "Bulldozer" and "Bobcat" (Fusion)

AMD "Bulldozer" Interactive Series - Introduction

Bulldozer Processor Topology Explained - with Elsie Wahlig

AMD Bulldozer & Other Upcoming Technologies Interview With Jim Bovenzi (NCIX Tech Tips #85)

『 Performance & Positioning 』

Updates & Reviews in next post

pbzip2_bulldozer & himenu_bulldozer

AMD Bulldozer Dual-Interlagos Benchmarks On Linux

Bulldozer Benchmarks, What Do They Mean?

AMD Product Positioning - H2 2011

AMD FX-series of Microprocessors Due in 2011/2012

With the FX-branding resurfacing, AMD's initial run of non-server/workstation Bulldozer 1 parts are slated to come under the FX-8000, FX-6000 and FX-4000 families, denoting the number of cores in each tier. Slotting in above the FM1 Fusion desktop APUs, Bulldozer's debut will supposedly consist of the AMD FX-8130P, FX-8110, FX-6110, and FX-4110 processors. And because those names are not long enough, we'll likely see some form of "Vision Black FX," "Vision Ultimate FX," and other such nomenclature affixed to each product.

·feist· · Apr 25, 2011

『 Updates 』

65W 8-core Opteron 3280, 45W 4-core Opteron 3250, and 3260 for Dedicated Web Hosting Providers

Real world Trinity APU benchmarks - Post 1 - Post 2

Multi Thread Efficiency: AMD's CMT Bulldozer vs. Intel's SMT Sandy Bridge, and AMD's CMP Phenom II CPUs

Good Fit for Bulldozer, APUs, GCN: AMD Executes on Promise of Agility, Intends to Acquire SeaMicro for $334M; Shares Up 2%

AMD Realizes Significant Reduction in Power Consumption Using Resonant Clock Mesh in 2012 CPU/APU Cores - Post 1 - Post 2

Engineers boost AMD APU performance by over 20%

AMD Unwraps 2012-2013 CPU/GPU/APU Plans - Understanding AMD's Roadmap & New Direction

Trinity APU - Performance estimates, clock speeds, projected lineup, Trinity vs. Llano, & Socket FM1 vs FM2 compatibility

Intel's Sandy Bridge vs. AMD's Fusion: A Comparison

New, improved AM3+ 1090FX, and 1070 motherboards for 2012

Performance and Power Consumption Improvements with first complete Windows 7 Bulldozer patch, Post 1 - Post 2 - Post 3 - Post 4 - Post 5 - Post 6 - Post 7 - Post 8 - Post 9

Microsoft releases complete, 2-part Bulldozer performance patch for Windows 7 ~~~ 1-11-2012

Microsoft early releases incomplete, 1-part Bulldozer patch for Windows 7 - User results ~~~ 12-16-2011

Performance in Windows 8 Developer Preview (pre-beta) vs Windows 7 (prior to Win 7 Bulldozer patch release), Post 1 - Post 2

『 Bulldozer Server/Workstation CPU Reviews 』

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=33480020&postcount=956

『 Fusion Mobile APU Reviews 』

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28582658&postcount=309

『 Fusion Desktop APU Reviews 』

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=33807361&postcount=972

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28977216&postcount=330

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28623278&postcount=317

『 Bulldozer Desktop CPU Reviews 』

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31741772&postcount=615

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31743179&postcount=641

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31742026&postcount=621

Power Consumption: AMD FX-8xxx/FX-6xxx/FX-4xxx compared to Core i3/i5/i7, dual-, quad-, and six-core Intel CPUs, and Phenom II X4/X6 CPUs.

Radeon HD 7970 CPU Scaling: Intel vs AMD

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=33701538&postcount=968
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=33840087&postcount=973

MSRP: http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/unlock-your-record-setting-2011oct12.aspx

FX-8150: $245 suggested retail price (U.S.)

FX-8120: ~~$205~~ $185 suggested retail price (U.S.) [price cut]

FX-6100: ~~$165~~ $145 suggested retail price (U.S.) [price cut]

FX-4100: $115 suggested retail price (U.S.)

『 Bulldozer, Fusion, Phenom, and Athlon Overclocking Guides 』

Crosshair V + Bulldozer Overclocking guide

AMD FX Processors Unleashed | a Guide to Performance Tuning with AMD OverDrive and the new AMD FX Processors

Phenom II & Bulldozer Overclocking Guides

The Definitive DV6z Llano Overclock and Optimization Guide [Llano Mobile]

Overclocking AMD’s A8-3850 Llano APU [Llano Desktop]

GIGABYTE AMD A55 & A75 OC GUIDE [Llano Desktop]

Optional Link 2 (A75), .PDF Version (A55 & A75), .PDF Backup (A55 & A75)

『 Comparison lists - AMD processors 』

FX series

Fusion/Vision series APUs

Phenom series, gen 1-2

Athlon series, gen 1-3

AMD Athlon 64 and Opteron identification

『 CPU & APU Performance Roadmap ~ 2011-2015 』

AMD Unwraps 2012-2013 CPU/GPU/APU Plans - Understanding AMD's Roadmap & New Direction

Hazaro · Apr 25, 2011

*10/12/2011

This is a good summary for people. Made an image summery. Not included in the chart is a 8150 system uses 90W more at load and 15W more at idle. Hopefully new mobos will lessen that, but it seem surprising considering all the power saving stuff they mentioned. 1155 power saving is really something though.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...md-bulldozer-fx-8150-processor-review-20.html

Drkirby · Apr 25, 2011

The AM3+ socket works with AM3 CPUs, right?

Omiee · Apr 25, 2011

so what price point are looking at for the 8 core?

Hazaro · Apr 25, 2011

Drkirby said:
The AM3+ socket works with AM3 CPUs, right?

Yes.

And select newly made AM3 boards can support AM3+. Although, at what setbacks are not known yet.

darthbob · Apr 25, 2011

Drkirby said:
The AM3+ socket works with AM3 CPUs, right?

The holes are a bit wider. Don't know how that'll affect AM3 CPUs, but I doubt backwards compatibility. This is like going from S939 to AM2.

Edit: Nevermind, I read it wrong. AM3 boards won't support AM3+ CPUs, it's AM3+ motherboards supporting AM3 CPUs.

Or something, I don't know.

HomerSimpson-Man · Apr 25, 2011

I'm intrigued.

Hazaro said:
I for one welcome upgradable paths and competition.

I may have jumped to Intel for my recent build, but hell yes!

Always have a special place in my heart for AMD.

kamspy · Apr 25, 2011

I just buy AMD because Intel socket clamps are a bitch. All those rubber pins...ugh.

Salacious Crumb · Apr 25, 2011

darthbob said:
The holes are a bit wider. Don't know how that'll affect AM3 CPUs, but I doubt backwards compatibility. This is like going from S939 to AM2.

Edit: Nevermind, I read it wrong. AM3 boards won't support AM3+ CPUs, it's AM3+ motherboards supporting AM3 CPUs.

Or something, I don't know.

Yeah, the new boards will be backwards compatible, the CPUs wont.

Mr. Spinnington · Apr 25, 2011

i won't care about 8-core cpu's until i see hipster memes about them

Drkirby · Apr 25, 2011

Ok, so in the rare chance I can get a super cheap AM3+ board I don't have to worry about having no CPU to fit it.

Hope the 4 core CPU has the cores running as well as the 8 cores, I do not need a octo-core CPU in this day and age.

subversus · Apr 25, 2011

Do want until perfomance is shit (compared to the competitor's product).

ThoseDeafMutes · Apr 25, 2011

That C-Ray test thing is kind of damning regarding how poor AMD's last lot of offerings were compared to the Intel Core series. But it looks like Bulldozer will be making them very competitive.

·feist· · Apr 25, 2011

Salacious Crumb said:
Yeah, the new boards will be backwards compatible, the CPUs wont.

Hazaro said:
I for one welcome upgradable paths and competition.

Heh. More on that in a bit.

Omiee said:
so what price point are looking at for the 8 core?

Whatever the market will bear. Really hard to say without having hard numbers. Fusion should, in essence, takeover from where Athlon and Phenom left off, so expect BD to be priced above that. AMD wants to go as high as they can, pricing wise, with relative performance to Intel being their main issue.

"Official" retail box mock-ups

Bulldozer goes to 11
http://blogs.amd.com/work/2011/01/3...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+amd/work+(AMD+at+Work)

Drkirby · Apr 25, 2011

So, just when do these CPUs hit? And what instruction sets do they have?

HomerSimpson-Man · Apr 25, 2011

Drkirby said:
Ok, so in the rare chance I can get a super cheap AM3+ board I don't have to worry about having no CPU to fit it.

Hope the 4 core CPU has the cores running as well as the 8 cores, I do not need a octo-core CPU in this day and age.

Well, you have to think of this as different than Intel's i7 series that treats multi-threaded processes using hyperthreading thus creating 8 threads from 4 cores. AMD took the approach of actually have 8 physical cores for the 8 threads so it's not exactly one-to-one.

mr stroke · Apr 25, 2011

glad they are going back to the FX branding. Loved my old AMD FX-51

Is rumored performance better than Sandy Bridge?

Drkirby · Apr 25, 2011

HomerSimpson-Man said:
Well, you have to think of this as different than Intel's i7 series that treats multi-threaded processes using hyperthreading thus creating 8 threads from 4 cores. AMD took the approach of actually have 8 physical cores for the 8 threads so it's not exactly one-to-one.

What I was saying more is that I don't really think applications will make that much better use of 8 threads over just 4 treads. What I want is each tread in the 4 core CPU to run as well as the treads in the 8 core counterpart, for applications that can only make use of 1 or 2 treads.

LQX · Apr 25, 2011

Cant wait to upgrade to one of these late next year. As with there video cards I don't see AMD trying t undersell the competition anymore.

Tarin02543 · Apr 25, 2011

Do these have a GPU on the die?

Hazaro · Apr 25, 2011

·feist· said:
Heh. More on that in a bit.

Well, "upgrade path" is generous since AM3 people will need to buy a new board if they haven't this month, but at least the competition part will hold true.

Cday · Apr 25, 2011

I've been using a dm1z for a month now, which uses E-350 Zacate. Pretty sweet little machine. Highly recommend it for anyone in the market for a netbook.

mr stroke said:
Is rumored performance better than Sandy Bridge?

Doubtful

BloodySinner · Apr 25, 2011

Ah...

My 6 core CPU is irrevelant. Will build anew next year.

·feist· · Apr 25, 2011

Drkirby said:
So, just when do these CPUs hit? And what instruction sets do they have?

We're a bit over a month from the CPUs making a proper debut, most likely in the US. There are already AM3+ products on the market, but full info and the initial range should be shown by AMD's partners in Asia, roughly around the same time.

mr stroke said:
glad they are going back to the FX branding. Loved my old AMD FX-51

Is rumored performance better than Sandy Bridge?

Remains to be seen. Apart from the server stuff, there has been precious little performance info, with things like this chart serving as "benchmarks."

Tarin02543 said:
Do these have a GPU on the die?

Think of BD1 AM3+ CPUs like Intel's s1366 and s2011. Fusion, like some of Intel's s1156 and s1155 parts, will have GPU on die. Of course, Fusion APUs will eventually ditch the old CPU architecture and switch to the newer Bulldozer tech.

AMD Notebook Platform Roadmap

AMD Notebook Platform Roadmap

AMD Desktop Platforms

AMD Notebook Platforms

Hazaro · Apr 25, 2011

Post faster feist!

·feist· · Apr 25, 2011

Hazaro said:
Post faster feist!

This multi-tasking is doing me in.

Hazaro said:
Well, "upgrade path" is generous since AM3 people will need to buy a new board if they haven't this month, but at least the competition part will hold true.

Definitely. Which is why even people who would never buy AMD should hope for these products to do well.

Seems some AM3 boards actually will be compatible (Asus, MSI and Gigabyte vindicated?), though some aspects will be limited.

AMD 900-Series Chipset Required for Bulldozer Power Gating Technology
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-...ulldozer-Power-Gating-Technology-196386.shtml

Ever since the first details about AMD's 900-series chipsets emerged, many have wondered how these controllers are different than their 800-series counterparts, as most of their features were virtually identical.

This question became ever more important after it was uncovered that the desktop Bulldozer chips are pin compatible with the AM3 socket, some motherboard manufacturers even expressing their support for these CPUs in some of their current products, as long as a revised BIOS version was installed.

However, these questions can be now put to rest, as Nordic Hardware has uncovered one of the major features that the 900-series AMD chipsets bring to the table.

more...

fizzelopeguss · Apr 25, 2011

I hope this is the return of the king.

Daante · Apr 25, 2011

Im gonna upgrade my PC this year from a dual core to a quad or more.

Guess il wait for the benchmarks/tests/reviews on the Bulldozer until i know if its better/faster than the Sandy Bridge.

Avtomat · Apr 25, 2011

Seriously doubt this will depose Sandy Bridge (Intel Core i7), having said that I am sure my next CPU will be AMD gotta love the low power consumption and good on board graphics. Current laptop is just a pain to lug around, looking at a 13 inch with decent CPU power.

Anyhow is Llano compatible, socket wise, with Bulldozer?

Medalion · Apr 25, 2011

argh... why do we keep needing so many cores when there are so many programs out there that still can't take advantage of 2 properly?

subversus · Apr 25, 2011

Medalion said:
argh... why do we keep needing so many cores when there are so many programs out there that still can't take advantage of 2 properly?

might be some really ancient stuff.

and don't generalize people by "we" because you certainly don't work in Maya or Adobe Premiere if you ask this question.

·feist· · Apr 25, 2011

ASRock Real AM3+ Motherboard List:
http://www.asrock.com/news/events/2011am3+/

Many motherboard makers claim that their AMD AM3 mainboards are compatible with AM3+ processor by BIOS upgrade. However, this method may be not stable enough to provide a reliable computing, and may result in certain effects. The latest ASRock Real AM3+ socket motherboards were solidly built with AM3+ CPU power solution and all AM3+ related hardware components that provide users an advanced and efficient computing choice! Why users should choose Real AM3+ MB? We provide six reasons for answers!

1) New Black AM3b CPU Socket
- Recognize the AM3+ MB at the First Sight!
The new "black" AM3b CPU socket make you recognize the new AM3+ motherboard at the first sight!
With the 11% bigger pin hole size, it can get rid of the possible mechanical mismatch
when installing the CPU, and avoid the CPU pin-bent problem.

2) 3.4 MHz Serial VID Support
- Faster link between CPU and Power Controller
Thanks for the AM3+ MB 3.4 MHz Serial VID support, it provides
faster link between CPU and power controller. Compare to the old AM3 MB 400 KHz link,
the new AM3+ MB can support better power management & Power saving.

3) Efficient Power Loadline Design
- Provides Efficient Power Supply
Not only meet AMD's requirements, the new AM3+ MB design
provides efficient power supply up to 11.8% better CPU power saving.
An added bonus will be its environment-friendly feature.

4) CPU Power Noise Reduce 22%
- Delivers The Best Power Quality
As we know, the lower CPU noise, the better system stability.
According to above pictures, when the system is
at the same loading, the new AM3+ MB design improves the
Vcore variation and reduces the CPU power noise up to 22%!

5) Up to 32% Higher Current Support
Compare to the old AM3 CPU only needs 110A current,
the new AM3+ CPU needs higher 145A current!
The New AM3+ MB can satisfy the demand of32% higher current
and get rid of any power shortage issue.

6) The Cool Innovative C.C.R.
- Temperature Talks
With the new C.C.R. (Combo Cooler Retention Module) design,
the ASRock new AM3+ MB can get better cooling effect for CPU, memory and power components.
According to our test result, it makes the CPU power choke 5.4 °C cooler!
Besides, the C.C.R. is backward compatible with the old AM3 / AM2+ CPU cooler as well.

click the link for the full breakdown
http://www.asrock.com/news/events/2011am3+/

·feist· · Apr 25, 2011

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26957631&postcount=12450

·feist· said:
Supposedly legit AMD Bulldozer and Fusion engineering samples:

AMD Bulldozer 1 desktop (socket AM3+ aka AM3b)

AMD Fusion desktop quad-core (socket FM1)

Assuming these are real, and also not just early samples, but potentially representative of final parts, the AM3 vs AM3+ plot thickens.

BD Fusion should be interesting, however FM2, and Bulldozer 2 really need to switch to LGA.

·feist· · Apr 25, 2011

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27348716&postcount=14537

·feist· said:
To follow up on the last round of AMD AM3/AM3+ (AM3b) Bulldozer 1 and FM1 Fusion engineering samples, here are a few more screen grabs and slides with possible base and Turbo Core 2 frequency ranges.

ZD242046W8K43

Table 12. Engineering Sample Processor Part Definition Options
Table 13. Engineering Sample Processor Cache Size Options
Table 14. Engineering Sample Processor Number of Cores Options
Table 15. Engineering Sample Processor Package Options
Table 16. Engineering Sample Processor Roadmap Options
Table 17. Engineering Sample Processor Model Number Options

Table 17. Engineering Sample Processor Model Number Options (Continued)
Table 18. Engineering Sample Processor Segment Options
Table 19. Engineering Sample Processor Identifier Options

AMD FX 6-Core ZD282046W6K43 Bulldozer sample:

Click above for 1680 x 1050 original

evlcookie · Apr 25, 2011

The 8 core baby will be my next upgrade, Bring on june or maybe july.

It's surprising that AMD have kept numbers so close to their chest, Not many leaks so far at all.

Hazaro · Apr 25, 2011

Medalion said:
argh... why do we keep needing so many cores when there are so many programs out there that still can't take advantage of 2 properly?

It's an area AMD can compete in. Value (<$110 CPU) and Core count (6 core for $170).

Right now it is very hard to compete with Intel in clocks per core. Nothing against AMD, it makes good business sense and I'm sure it is much easier on them as a VASTLY smaller company.

Zacate is a very good chip and with the growth of smaller chips and onboard integrated (AMD bought ATi) they have a step up over Intel who is doing their own thing and doesn't have the best relations with nvidia atm.

So as the market shifts toward lower power and integrated video AMD will do nicely there. Problem is we don't want Intel price gouging desktop prices on the higher end.

Dennis · Apr 25, 2011

Hazaro said:
Problem is we don't want Intel price gouging desktop prices on the higher end.

"We" is too inclusive. 'I' want Intel to keep releasing the Extreme Edition $1000 monsters, gouging be damned.

In fact, I am pissed that there is a long wait for the Sandy Bridge EE 8-core monsters while Joe Sixpack can frolic with the 2600K Sandy Bridge weenies.

Avtomat · Apr 25, 2011

Intel are price gouging already in my opinion.

The low clocks on the engineering samples worries me.

Flying_Phoenix · Apr 25, 2011

Hopefully this delivers. Intel needs competition.

Hazaro · Apr 25, 2011

DennisK4 said:
"We" is too inclusive. 'I' want Intel to keep releasing the Extreme Edition $1000 monsters, gouging be damned.

In fact, I am pissed that there is a long wait for the Sandy Bridge EE 8-core monsters while Joe Sixpack can frolic with the 2600K Sandy Bridge weenies.

If you throw money at me I can join your group.

·feist· · Apr 25, 2011

Asus, Gigabyte and MSI official support. AM3+ parts on AM3 boards, and more AM3+ sockets on older (non-900 series) chipsets.

ASUS First to Provide AM3+ CPU Ready Solution for Current AM3 and Future AM3+ Motherboards
http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/

Gigabyte Socket AM3+
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/list.aspx?s=42&jid=10&p=2&v=26

Gigabyte AM3+ "Black Socket" Series - Gigabyte First to Market with AM3+ "Black Socket" Motherboards
http://www.gigabyte.com/MicroSite/274/mb-am3plus.html

MSI AM3+ CPU Support
http://event.msi.com/mb/am3+/
Full Compatibility with AMD AM3+ Multi-Core Processors, MSI AM3 Motherboards Allow Easy Upgrades
http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=newsdesc&news_no=939

Mr. Pointy · Apr 25, 2011

I'm interested to see how powerful Fusion is, especially since you can Hybrid Crossfire with the GPU component if you have a 6000-series card.

·feist· · Apr 25, 2011

ASUS vs. AMD: Bulldozer Support on Old Motherboards via BIOS Update
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...port-on-old-motherboards-via-bios-update.aspx

For as long as AMD had fought Socket Wars with Intel, the company kept the mantra of cross-socket compatibility. In reality, the company would break compatibility not just in order to switch to a new technology (DDR2 to DDR3 in case of AM2 and AM3), but also introduce incompatible steps such as AM2+ and now, with the upcoming AM3+. We talked to AMD on numerous occasions about the upgradeability of AM3 platform and it was explicitly mentioned that both the old Bulldozer CPU architecture (canceled way back) and the new Bulldozer CPU architecture would be compatible with existing platforms (AM2/AM3).

Companies in AMD's ecosystem, such as ASUS, GigaByte and MSI backed up those expectations with their own statements that they will be able to support AMD FX CPUs via simple BIOS update. However in August 2010 and most recently on CeBIT 2011, AMD explicitly stated the opposite:

"When we initially set out on the path to Bulldozer we were hoping for AM3 compatibility, but further along the process we realized that we had a choice to make based on some of the features that we wanted to bring with Bulldozer. We could either provide AM3 support and lose some of the capabilities of the new Bulldozer architecture or, we could choose the AM3+ socket which would allow the Bulldozer-base Zambezi to have greater performance and capability."

The statement continued with a mixed attitude:

more...

·feist· · Apr 25, 2011

MSI Big Bang Conqueror AM3+ 990FX board samples

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25306454&postcount=1714

·feist· said:
MSI had their AMD AM3+ 990FX Big Bang Conqueror motherboard with SB950 at CES. No Bulldozer 1 engineering samples to be found...

Video of the Big Bang Conqueror AM3+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHwVSW64sn8

CES 2011: Sneak peek of the MSI AMD 990FX Motherboard
http://pcper.com/comments.php?nid=9584

Kyaw · Apr 25, 2011

This makes me excited like a little baby!

If this is priced and perform better than 2500k, i will be a happy man and buy it to upgrade from my Phenom II X4 940.
I need to get me one of those black pcb mobos. They look so sexy.

wazoo · Apr 25, 2011

I was almost buying a AMD zacate for a 11''6 netbook.
The only games I care are starcraft 2 and Diablo 3.
Am i hopeless or what ??

Foliorum Viridum · Apr 25, 2011

I think my 955 still has a lot of life left in it now I've overclocked it to 4ghz, but as soon as games start using octocores in really meaningful ways I'm there.

Corky · Apr 25, 2011

Kyaw said:
This makes me excited like a little baby!

If this is priced and perform better than 2500k, i will be a happy man and buy it to upgrade from my Phenom II X4 940.
I need to get me one of those black pcb mobos. They look so sexy.

Well let's not get too excited, given your gpu is good enough ( i.e unless your cpubound by now ) something tells me that that kind of upgrade will be relatively negligable for the games coming this year.

What I'm trying to say is a phenom 2 x4 should be more than plenty for the majority of the upcoming games and buying something else would be more of a sidegrade than anything.

Kyaw · Apr 25, 2011

I know i know
But for e-peen more than anything

I think i will skip Bulldozer for a Watercooling setup and get it in 2012 or something and games better have octo-core support by then.

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